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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 74% (284)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 25% (99)
    Carbo Basso
383 Total Votes  
post #2131 of 5992
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

My point is the Tenore rolls off at 10K like the Shures with significant dB drop if you look at the scale.  The Shures extend also at a much lower dB level like the Tenore.  Doesn't mean it maintains the dB level when it extend like the UERM and the NT-6 I posted.  Also, the Tenore graph is not neutral if you compare with ER4.  You guys keep saying it's neutral and it's not, you guys are ignoring the scaling on the left. 

I'm done here, there has been too much hype here. I can't believe I bought into this.  

I have not ignored scaling and showed you a comparable ER-4 graph with an 846. Instead you post an etymotic marketing sketch of the ER-4. The UERM also drops after 10k on Rin's measurements of a universal version, just half as much. It's fine not to like the iem and post your reasons why but your posts have been nothing but inflammatory 10 minutes after you did an about face on them. Perhaps something much more useful than posting random and unrelated graphs , you could use a tone generator and tell where you hear dips and peak and if they sound mild, broad or big to your ears. That's my main tool when developing eq to fix dips and peaks and fwiw, to my ears, Rin's graphs more accurately match what I hear over most of these others and I certainly didn't hear the Ety nor the Shure very similarly to Headroom's measurements.

UERM (universal)

Edited by shotgunshane - 5/29/14 at 8:28pm
post #2132 of 5992
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Originally Posted by mochill View Post

I removed my filter and its awesome and balanced with better treble 😋

No harshness with removed filters? Can you put them back if you change your mind?
post #2133 of 5992
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

deep insertion is not right ether, it create sound like there are artifacts on the recording.  I prefer, insertion deph of just when the tips touch the canal without forcing it in deeper, there sounds the most optimal.

 

I prefer that as well for perfect response, but deep for me doesn't introduce anything at all into the sound. It is almost identical to shallow "if" the pressure is equal. And I'm not talking about forcing er4s depths. Just pushing it in to where it sort of hits a dead end and then getting it comfortable at that depth.

post #2134 of 5992
Yes you can and no harshness imo but that's me,😇... I love the treble on my ocharaku flat 4😋. You can replace the filters if you don't love it😃.... And no point in argument pplz well all are different 😃
post #2135 of 5992
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

No harshness with removed filters? Can you put them back if you change your mind?

Mochill does not changes his mind. His hypes it.
post #2136 of 5992
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post


I have not ignored scaling and showed you a comparable ER-4 graph with an 846. Instead you post an etymotic marketing sketch of the ER-4. The UERM also drops after 10k on Rin's measurements of a universal version, just half as much. It's fine not to like the iem and post your reasons why but your posts have been nothing but inflammatory 10 minutes after you did an about face on them. Perhaps something much more useful than posting random and unrelated graphs , you could use a tone generator and tell where you hear dips and peak and if they sound mild, broad or big to your ears. That's my main tool when developing eq to fix dips and peaks and fwiw, to my ears, Rin's graphs more accurately match what I hear over most of these others and I certainly didn't hear the Ety nor the Shure very similarly to Headroom's measurements.

UERM (universal)

I take Rin's graphs with a grain of salt.  He has so many 2nd 3rd 4th thoughts, it isn't even funny.  That graph lines up with your ears?

 

Anyway, I suggest you take another listen of the CK10, if you think Tenore stomps it.  lol.  Go back and read your comments.  


Edited by SilverEars - 5/29/14 at 8:35pm
post #2137 of 5992
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

I have the CK10 and these don't not even come close to the detail level of the CK10.  It very obvious these do not reveal subtle details.  That's why I mean by smooth, it's not transparent.  If you guys think these are detailed, you guys haven't heard anything yet.

 

I've heard a lot of iems, and these are noticeably better than all so far. The ck series all have treble spikes, which might seem to be more detailed to you, but in reality that doesn't mean they actually reveal more detail overall. You can have extra brightness and hear little cracks and dings in a song, but that isn't more details, that's exaggerated treble (one possibility anyway). With a flatter response you might not notice the cracks and dings as much, but you still hear them easily while also hearing a mid range string noise and a low mid sliding noise, etc. etc. Those would be lower relative to the treble on the boosted earphone thus being slightly masked. So you might prefer "treble" clarity, but if you have a decent pair of tenores and a good fit you can't say that they aren't one of the most detailed around. People are preferring them over $1000 custom jh audios and other very expensive, neutralish earphones. Are they all crazy? Then there's always hearing loss. Treble can make up for hearing loss which would make something boosted sound more neutral to someone with hearing loss. Just one other possibility.

 

Ultimately, you like what you like. If you prefer the treble oriented sound or just something with more treble in some area you find "detailed" that's cool. Nothing wrong with that. But compared to a bunch of iems, relatively speaking, the tenore is extremely neutral.

post #2138 of 5992

There thing is, it's not detailed period,  you add treble to it, it still will not have details, but CK10 will.  I heard the 334, which for some, sound dark because of it's laid back sound.  Not bright, but it's detailed.  The Ck10 is bright and it's detailed.  I know when it's detailed.  I have a HE-6 setup, and know when the sound is detailed and realistic.

 

I've also had HD650, dark and detailed.  So, I know detailed.


Edited by SilverEars - 5/29/14 at 8:45pm
post #2139 of 5992
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

There thing is, it's not detailed period,  you add treble to it, it still will not have details, but CK10 will.  I heard the 334, which for some, sound dark because of it's laid back sound.  Not bright, but it's detailed.  The Ck10 is bright and it's detailed.  I know when it's detailed.  I have a HE-6 setup, and know when the sound is detailed and realistic.

 

You are either having a problem or got a dud. There's no way it isn't detailed.  I prefer mine over the hd600 overall. An no one will say that isn't detailed. If you think that is the case, you simply prefer brighter earphones. Again, nothing wrong with that, but the hd600 is touted as one of the neutral masters in headphone accuracy...


Edited by luisdent - 5/29/14 at 8:51pm
post #2140 of 5992
Ocharaku flat 4 sui silverears , I'm selling mine $315 shipped if you want them treble 😋
Edited by mochill - 5/29/14 at 9:13pm
post #2141 of 5992

Well, to my ears the Tenore's actually have "nice" boost around 10K+  and because of this fully I credit them for their spaciousness and partly increased sound stage in a reasonable natural way and something that can be imitated with other IEM's, sources applying  EQ, although not my way to go since it induces/expose the potential of hearing clipping (to my ears) when a particular album/track are recorded with a low dynamic range. Typically 7 DB and less..

 

Anyhow my ears very likely sucks and they don't know how to read graphs particular when they are coming from random sources that I don't even have a clue about how they measured these, baseline etc. and I'm probably to stupid to read these and fill the void in my brain correctly.. :-) 

post #2142 of 5992
Offer still stands silverears😅
post #2143 of 5992
I'm the happiest i've ever been with an iem. I love my tenores. No hype there, just plain old fact. :-) sorry you don't have the same impressions. Maybe it's just not your iem. Oh well. You still have the ck10.

You went to the train station, but apparently people pushed you into the tracks and you got run over by the train. Now all you can do is go heal and try a different train... :-P
post #2144 of 5992
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Originally Posted by mochill View Post

I removed my filter and its awesome and balanced with better treble 😋

 

how is this done....where is the filter ?  duhzzz i m a noooooooob

post #2145 of 5992
Don't know about you but in my country we have a saying.
"If 2 ppl tell you're drunk, you better go to sleep"
So we-re quite a bunch of happy campers here with our tenores, is it possible to be all so wrong?
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