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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #2116 of 5962
I had the kc06A and have the dunu dn2000, kc06A not even close😁
post #2117 of 5962

The wide bore takes away the sound stage.  It does create distortion and harsh treble with the highs.  It doesn't sound right.  I prefer the medium stock tips.  

post #2118 of 5962

deep insertion is not right ether, it create sound like there are artifacts on the recording.  I prefer, insertion deph of just when the tips touch the canal without forcing it in deeper, there sounds the most optimal.

post #2119 of 5962

Yup, it's like Shures, the treble is rolled off like the Shures. Look at the scaling.

 

 


Edited by SilverEars - 5/29/14 at 7:09pm
post #2120 of 5962

Again, notice the scale.  The Tenore is not neutral.

 

post #2121 of 5962

Again, look at the scale.

 

 

post #2122 of 5962
Can't compare two simulators, it just doesn't work.

Using the same simulator it graphs like ER4S just downsloaped slightly, about 5db subbass boost and greater treble extension. Those characteristics make it neutral according to newly used compensations
post #2123 of 5962
You can't compare graphs from random and multiple sources; any of the people performing these measurements will tell you that. You don't know the circumstances and criteria of their set ups and how they differ- coupler? Dummy head? Compensation? Insertion depth? Smoothing? Etc, etc.

So with that in mind Headroom has measured the ER-4p, ER-4s and se845 with all 3 filters. Attached are those overlayed. Yes look at the scale! The diffuse field standard of neutrality also shows an approximately 20db drop in treble presence after 10k.



Now the only graph we have of the Tenore is from an unknown source to me but since you insist, the Tenore shows a drop of 20db after 10k. It also shows extension way beyond 10k all the way to 20k and the 846 from headroom never gets anywhere close. The 846 graph you posted is compensated by GE's convoluted 3 way compensation target and the Tenore graph we have is possibly raw. But keep comparing away with your purposefully inflammatory posts about something you obviously still have a lot to learn about. Welcome to my blocked list.
Edited by shotgunshane - 5/29/14 at 7:54pm
post #2124 of 5962
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Now the only graph we have of the Tenore is from an unknown source to me but since you insist, the Tenore shows a drop of 20db after 10k. It also shows extension way beyond 10k all the way to 20k and the 846 from headroom never gets anywhere close. The 846 graph you posted is compensated by GE's convoluted 3 way compensation target and the Tenore graph we have is possibly raw. But keep comparing away with your purposefully inflammatory posts about something you obviously still have a lot to learn about. Welcome to my blocked list.

My point is the Tenore rolls off at 10K like the Shures with significant dB drop if you look at the scale.  The Shures extend also at a much lower dB level like the Tenore.  Doesn't mean it maintains the dB level when it extend like the UERM and the NT-6 I posted.  Also, the Tenore graph is not neutral if you compare with ER4.  You guys keep saying it's neutral and it's not, you guys are ignoring the scaling on the left. 

 

Didn't you say these stomps the CK-10?  You need to get your ears cleaned out.  

 

I'm done here, there has been too much hype here. I can't believe I bought into this.  


Edited by SilverEars - 5/29/14 at 8:16pm
post #2125 of 5962
Dude, I love head fi. The banter on this blog and a couple others is a lot of fun. In my mind you are all a bunch of really cool people. You might be a bunch of douchebags in real life, who knows, but I don't care. I'm going to keep on assuming you're all awesome and give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

I hope these things keep on keeping on and we all share in this technological revolution of advancing audio technology.

Okay, so back to headphones and jealous girlfriends and bad spending habits...lol
post #2126 of 5962
So I have the Tenore on the burn for 3 days now and just started to sit down and have a proper listen to it. My pair comes from woodlandshill and would just like to say that it does really have a great value to performance ratio for the price I paid for them. Nice neutral sound but was hoping for a little more treble presence. It's there but somehow didn't sound as fleshed out as I was hoping for. Anyway, still on stock tips and might try some tip rolling and see where it brings me. So, would appreciate any suggestion with a particular tip that will helps in this regard.

Before I sign off, it's a very very well tuned great value buy for me and happy listening to all.
post #2127 of 5962
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

You can't compare graphs from random and multiple sources; any of the people performing these measurements will tell you that. You don't know the circumstances and criteria of their set ups and how they differ- coupler? Dummy head? Compensation? Insertion depth? Smoothing? Etc, etc.

So with that in mind Headroom has measured the ER-4p, ER-4s and se845 with all 3 filters. Attached are those overlayed. Yes look at the scale! The diffuse field standard of neutrality also shows an approximately 20db drop in treble presence after 10k.



Now the only graph we have of the Tenore is from an unknown source to me but since you insist, the Tenore shows a drop of 20db after 10k. It also shows extension way beyond 10k all the way to 20k and the 846 from headroom never gets anywhere close. The 846 graph you posted is compensated by GE's convoluted 3 way compensation target and the Tenore graph we have is possibly raw. But keep comparing away with your purposefully inflammatory posts about something you obviously still have a lot to learn about. Welcome to my blocked list.

 

Absolutely not. And if someone says the tenore isn't neutral (at least the one graphed and the pair I have) that's the same as saying the er4s isn't neutral, which is one of the most reference, neutral iems there are. Not perfect, but very neutral.

 

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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post



Now the only graph we have of the Tenore is from an unknown source to me but since you insist, the Tenore shows a drop of 20db after 10k. It also shows extension way beyond 10k all the way to 20k and the 846 from headroom never gets anywhere close. The 846 graph you posted is compensated by GE's convoluted 3 way compensation target and the Tenore graph we have is possibly raw. But keep comparing away with your purposefully inflammatory posts about something you obviously still have a lot to learn about. Welcome to my blocked list.

My point is the Tenore rolls off at 10K like the Shures with significant dB drop if you look at the scale.  The Shures extend also at a much lower dB level like the Tenore.  Doesn't mean it maintains the dB level when it extend like the UERM and the NT-6 I posted.  Also, the Tenore graph is not neutral if you compare with ER4.  You guys keep saying it's neutral and it's not, you guys are ignoring the scaling on the left. 

 

Didn't you say these are better than CK-10?  You need to get your ears cleaned out.  

 

I'm done here, there has been too much hype here. I can't believe I bought into this.  

 

No need to be upset. :-) We love you!

 

As for the shure, I was talking about the 535 personally. The 846 looks excellent in my opinion, however, still a bit rolled off. If you're going to use goldenears take a look at this er4s graph:

 

 

That extension on the er4s "clearly" beats the shure 846. And that is the same source which measured the shure 846 graph you posted with the same criteria.


Edited by luisdent - 5/29/14 at 8:23pm
post #2128 of 5962
I removed my filter and its awesome and balanced with better treble 😋
post #2129 of 5962
Let your ears be the judge is all I gotta say 😎
post #2130 of 5962

I have the CK10 and these don't not even come close to the detail level of the CK10.  It very obvious these do not reveal subtle details.  That's why I mean by smooth, it's not transparent.  If you guys think these are detailed, you guys haven't heard anything yet.

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