this is more like a MH1 with a more controlled bass, that's the closest it gets. RE-Zero is much different.
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I may have gotten to the bottom of the impression differences. As many of you know from reading this thread, I prepared for the Tenore apocalypse and bought 3. Until yesterday, I had never opened the 3rd. The two I had opened sounded identical- linear in the mids and treble, with a boost in bass mainly tilted in sub bass. The overall effect, to me, was a slightly downward sloping frequency response, very similar to the Harmon target being discussed by Sean Olive. The bass seems to fall between the UERM and JH13 bass quantities. My impressions of these two matching Tenore's greatly match the graph inks has posted earlier in the thread:
Based on most people's impressions, I believe this very slightly downward sloping FR is the intended target. This is the sound that seems to bring the accuracy seeker and 'audiophile basshead' together.
However luisdent has been describing an ER-4S with almost perfect bass. The ER-4S is diffuse field tuned and sounds slightly brighter and thinner overall (not harsh though) than the two Tenore's I have with stock tips. Depending on how the track was mastered, I could occasionally hear that kind signature but definitely not every song. By using the Comply sport series foam, s200, I could almost mimic his impressions regularly, as the sport foam is porous and doesn't seal like silicone or regular Comply foam. The difference is probably 2db to 3db less bass.
Yesterday I decided to open my 3rd pair (all 3 were bought directly from Amazon.jp; no market seller). When I first turned on the music I was floored- it seemed to be frequency response perfection. It wasn't until this morning that I was able to A/B the 3rd set with one from my first two, using a little Fiio switcher. This 3rd set indeed has just a hair less bass than the other two, with the mids and treble sounding the same. In fact, when I put s200 tips on the other, they once again became virtually identical. Basically I can now agree with luisdent, the Tenore can sound like a diffuse field ER-4S with a perfect (IMO) bass lift!
Every manufacturer has variation in their drivers, so this is really nothing new. Perhaps more expensive and exclusive iems get more QC care to have less variation from set to set but even iems like the K3003 and TG334 have reportedly sounded slightly different from set to set on occasion. However I would expect more instances with significantly cheaper iems, especially those under the $100 mark.
So which of the two do I prefer? I can't decide- both are simply fantastic. The set with 2 to 3db less bass sounds like the best reference for FR I've ever heard and the other two sets satisfy my desire for a slightly more meaty presentation with a deeper bass kick. Just remember, the difference is seriously small between the two. If you have the seemingly more common bassier variation, you can just use Comply s200 tips to hear what the less bassier version sounds like. It's my opinion you can't lose with either set. The Zero Audio Tenore is not just a budget gem but a complete head-fi gem in my book.
(FYI- I loaned Eke a pair before I discovered this, so he has the slightly bassier sig)
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I am looking forward to the Tenore arriving. I am not, however, looking forward to paying Parcelforce the customs / handling charges, which will no doubt end up costing me close to what I paid for the IEMs themselves.
Hahah! Don't do that!
Alright, I've tried some switch up of tips to help alleviate the pressure buildup whilst inserting into my ear. What I've found is that using a big tip helps in the way that you can kind of let it rest outside your ear canal.. but this makes the isolation almost non-existent. Also, if I try to insert them deeper, there's no where for that air to go so it builds pressure right away.
Alternative now I've gone with all the smaller tips -- now I can move towards one of the walls of my ear canal to allow any air pressure escape. This seems to be working, but now it sounds less airy.
This reminds me a bit of the M90 thread and how you needed perfect placement on your ears to achieve the optimal sound!
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When I say neutral, I mean flat frequency response. Tenore has fuller bass than AX-30, RE-400, and A161P. AX-30, RE-400, and A161P sound more flat and analytical. They didn't have enough bass for me.
Tenore sounds bigger and more natural because of the slight bass boost over flat.
Shotgunshane's FR posting above shows the slight bass boost.
Edited by Grayson73 - 5/23/14 at 7:46am
One phone I never had issues with was VSD1.. I couldn't get the vacuum/suction but it was still a good seal overall.
I've gone with the smallest Sony Hybrids -- this one I can push in, and then simply press up and allow any pressure build up to escape. This is what seems to be working best.. with the larger ones I couldn't move them anywhere to allow the air to escape! Now I have to do some A/Bing before I re-write all my past comparisons between these and KC06.
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Putting in my .02 cents, the Tenore's are simply the best buy in earphones bar none today, IMHO.
I got my Tenore's and Basso's a couple of weeks ago. The Basso's are good and have some added bass that works well with more bass intensive music, and adds a "fun" element to the music. But it comes in when you need it, without making the music much darker. Quite a lot of detail for this level IEM. Still the Basso's need more burn in, I don't think I'm getting their full sound yet.
The Tenore's on the other hand are pure audiophile, as has been said before, flat frequency response, with sub-bass to tremble almost equally represented in the sound. These I've listened to for pretty much every day since their arrival.
Quite impressive for a pair of relatively cheap earphones.
Have the Zero Audio Doppios on the way...