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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #1816 of 5960

I read that other post about not creating pressure in your ears between the iem and your brain.  This was a new concept to me.

 

I believe.. that I am now hearing what you guys are hearing. 

 

The good news is that I believe I am now hearing what you guys are hearing and need to go back and test all my music again. 

 

The bad news is I'm at work and as soon as the phone rings, I'm going to have to pull these out and might not get the right insertion again (it took me 10 minutes to figure this out). 

post #1817 of 5960

if u pull out the left driver n u are still getting a seal....

go visit a doctor to extract the eartip ;P

post #1818 of 5960
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post
 

if u pull out the left driver n u are still getting a seal....

go visit a doctor to extract the eartip ;P


Haha!  I guess what I mean is that as I am pulling out, there's a strong suction.  I am thinking now that if there is NO suction, that means it's been inserted properly.  I am currently experiencing this on the right side, so it's my assertion that the right side has been inserted properly, for the first time in the last 3 weeks.

 

As for left side it appears I cannot get that going.  I'll have to wait til I get home and try a smaller tip (or larger?).

post #1819 of 5960
Sounds like you are getting a vacuum seal. Foam tips would help with that problem too. You can always trim down the foam, so it doesn't overhang and negatviely affect treble.
post #1820 of 5960

some guys have diff tunnel diameter on the left n right...

i havent been paying great attention to iems really, 

as i read this thread, there are some inner science i am made aware of.

interesssting. Thus far i have been using medium tips on all my past  iems.

post #1821 of 5960
Breathing on them lets me get a smooth easy seal, but i always get a vacuum seal when i remove them or try to move them once they're in. This is when i hear the crinkling..,
post #1822 of 5960

Can I have someone quote this message with a straight response -- vacuum seal <-- this is a bad thing?

 

I've always strived to have vacuum seal on all my iems.  I was disappointed when the Heir tips for my KC06 couldn't give me this type of seal.  It was just sitting outside the canal and I only stuck with it because the bass was so drastically improved.  So you're telling me that this is the *ideal* setup; sitting snugly outside the canal?

post #1823 of 5960

:popcorn:  To vacuum seal or not to vacuum seal... that is the question!

post #1824 of 5960

Most of the times when I remove them from my ears I get the hybrids reversed because of the seal I have, they are practically glued on my ears. :biggrin:

post #1825 of 5960
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Originally Posted by ebrian View Post
 

Can I have someone quote this message with a straight response -- vacuum seal <-- this is a bad thing?

 

I've always strived to have vacuum seal on all my iems.  I was disappointed when the Heir tips for my KC06 couldn't give me this type of seal.  It was just sitting outside the canal and I only stuck with it because the bass was so drastically improved.  So you're telling me that this is the *ideal* setup; sitting snugly outside the canal?

 

I think we need to define "seal". What you normally want to strive for is no vacuum, in the sense that there is no "sucking" sensation pulling the earphones inward or the eardrum outward. Essentially, you want a tight seal in that no air can escape. So in that regard it is like a vacuum, sort of like space. I think what most people refer to as a vacuum is actually a seal that causes negative pressure to pull on things. This is usually bad. I always get the best possible sound when I have any earphone air tight, but with no negative or positive pressure at all, simply a neutral vacuum. Still, pressure-less air trapped in the canal.

 

Pushing an earphone tip into your ear that is already air tight as it enters will cause pressure buildup. Sometimes, just waiting a while will allow the air to slowly seep through the tip seal and equalize pressure. Sometimes, with something like the er4s, this never happens for me. So it becomes imperative that I insert the tips with no pressure to begin with. The usually involves me breathing on the tips and rotating them while inserting them. Sometimes with the er4s I even need to bend them sharply once they're in until I create a break in the seal. That equalizes the pressure while the tip is already pretty much in my ear, and thus the sound is correct.

 

I'm sure there are other methods, like pulling up on your ear. I do this too sometimes, but the whetting with my breath is more effective. It seems like it would cause a worse pressure buildup, but because the slight moisture lets the tip slide smoothly, it seems to build up pressure less.

post #1826 of 5960

"The shipment has arrived in the destination country"

 

Please german customs, be nice to me.

post #1827 of 5960
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I think we need to define "seal". What you normally want to strive for is no vacuum, in the sense that there is no "sucking" sensation pulling the earphones inward or the eardrum outward. Essentially, you want a tight seal in that no air can escape. So in that regard it is like a vacuum, sort of like space. I think what most people refer to as a vacuum is actually a seal that causes negative pressure to pull on things. This is usually bad. I always get the best possible sound when I have any earphone air tight, but with no negative or positive pressure at all, simply a neutral vacuum. Still, pressure-less air trapped in the canal.

 

Pushing an earphone tip into your ear that is already air tight as it enters will cause pressure buildup. Sometimes, just waiting a while will allow the air to slowly seep through the tip seal and equalize pressure. Sometimes, with something like the er4s, this never happens for me. So it becomes imperative that I insert the tips with no pressure to begin with. The usually involves me breathing on the tips and rotating them while inserting them. Sometimes with the er4s I even need to bend them sharply once they're in until I create a break in the seal. That equalizes the pressure while the tip is already pretty much in my ear, and thus the sound is correct.

 

I'm sure there are other methods, like pulling up on your ear. I do this too sometimes, but the whetting with my breath is more effective. It seems like it would cause a worse pressure buildup, but because the slight moisture lets the tip slide smoothly, it seems to build up pressure less.

 

 

Good explanation. We want the seal, but with pressure equalized once they are inserted. Hence the "lifting up of the ear upon insertion" trickery. So, I have been doing it right lol.

post #1828 of 5960

These seem to improve with some use/break-in/burn-in/whatever.  I sense better soundstage depth, tighter sub bass, and better treble clarity.  The Tenore just get better and better.

post #1829 of 5960

Yeah, looks like my Tenore will be here soon. They left Japan on the 21st, arrived in the UK about 14 hours later and it says that they're in customs. Searched the tracking number on the Royal Mail site and it says they're using the 'Express 24' service so fingers crossed they might even turn up tomorrow!

post #1830 of 5960
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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post
 

These seem to improve with some use/break-in/burn-in/whatever.  I sense better soundstage depth, tighter sub bass, and better treble clarity.  The Tenore just get better and better.

 

I sense  better soundstage as well. I wasn't sure if it was driver break in or tip softening, but definitely hear that as well...

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