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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #1801 of 5963
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post
 

i am actually new to the concept of "driverflex"....or might have heard it, but didnt connect the sound as a "flex"...

anyone can elaborate more..? 



When a dynamic driver IEM is concerned (or Hybrid) in an air tight enclosure and you push the IEM into your ear air cannot escape, it has nowhere else to go but down the nozzle then have a push/pull effect on the dynamic drivers diaphragm making it "flex", usually past its normal threshold.

The result is a crinkling sound in your ear or sometimes a 'pop' sound. In some cases if the driver flexes too much you may lose sound temporarily until you readjust it (reseat the IEM). Monster Turbine series are rather plagued with the problem.  Some companies try to avoid this by adding a tiny hole in the housing so air can escape before hitting the driver. 

The best way to avoid it is by reaching over lifting your ear during insertion so you don't push the IEM in like a plunger effect. A lot of it can be cured by prevention. 
 

post #1802 of 5963

ohh..i tot thats the silicone bud flap folding up as i pushed the bud in... ic ic. thanks Gnarl ..

wow didnt know it is the DRIVER flapping inside the casing. 

 

Thanks H20, does it happen to BA drivers? i guess not..those are tiny drivers.


Edited by Lorspeaker - 5/22/14 at 12:22am
post #1803 of 5963
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post
 

ohh..i tot thats the silicone bud flap folding up as i pushed the bud in... ic ic. thanks Gnarl ..

wow didnt know it is the DRIVER flapping inside the casing. 

 

Thanks H20, does it happen to BA drivers? i guess not..those are tiny drivers.



No, not to a point you'll hear a noise from the balanced armature. However I've had situations where I pushed a pair of TF10 (Triple BA) in my ear to make them 'seal tigher' and the sound went a bit strange.

post #1804 of 5963
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post

ohh..i tot thats the silicone bud flap folding up as i pushed the bud in... ic ic. thanks Gnarl ..
wow didnt know it is the DRIVER flapping inside the casing. 

Thanks H20, does it happen to BA drivers? i guess not..those are tiny drivers.

Doesn't happen to BA's.
post #1805 of 5963

i get a "submarine" underwater effect if it goes in too deeeep :P

post #1806 of 5963

Well maybe its just the way i wear these things or what but i never experience the driver flex or anything. my only suggestion is don't push them too hard into your ears. just put it there, i use med size for left ears and large size tips for right ear. They feels like they could fell down anytime but actually sits nicely in my ears. don't push it too deep just enough as it enters your ears. (at least this work for me).

post #1807 of 5963

can anyone clarify if the tenore have driver flex ? if it has, is it a major concern to worry about? 

i also want to know if how does the tenore stack up against the ostry kc06...

post #1808 of 5963
Driver flex is when the pressure in your ear canal pushes the driver out of its normal functioning position, causing a clicking or popping noise. It can cause the driver to sound muffled or distorted if you play them without relieving the pressure in the ear canal.

Driver flex is easily prevented by inserting iems properly, rather than just shoving them into your skull.

Lift your ear up with the opposite side hand (this opens your ear canal) and with the same side hand (iem in hand) snug them into the ear WITHOUT BUILDING UP PRESSURE IN YOUR EAR CANAL. Once you have them in a good position, let go of the iem, then let go of your ear with the opposite hand. The ear canal should close around the iem and create a seal (if you are using the proper fitting tips and the iem is positioned correctly).

Driver flex can for the most part be eliminated by doing this. I can imagine someone damaging their iems by shoving them into their ears over and over, causing the flex and eventually warping the driver. The good news is that it is preventable.
post #1809 of 5963
No matter how i insert mine, i've never heard this at all with mine...

EDIT: i take that back. I definitely hear this if i push on the tips at all when they're in my ears. I never listened for it before and thought any noise was the tips. But now that i'm listening for it i do hear it. Is that bad?
Edited by luisdent - 5/22/14 at 11:31am
post #1810 of 5963

My Basso have driver flex on both sides and have not given up on me yet for a good many months now. Above are good suggestions that I apply and I really don't feel driver flex will have any adverse effect in term of SQ.  Just my 2 cents.

post #1811 of 5963
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Originally Posted by Leo888 View Post
 

My Basso have driver flex on both sides and have not given up on me yet for a good many months now. Above are good suggestions that I apply and I really don't feel driver flex will have any adverse effect in term of SQ.  Just my 2 cents.



I owned a pair of Monster Turbine which ended up getting flex so badly (overtime) in the right driver when you turned the music up to a certain volume level it would "pop" and lose sound completely,  (stay flexed outwards) you'd only achieve sound again by touching/tapping it with your finger popping the driver back in place. Being the second owner who knows what crazy EDM / burn in / thrashing volumes / audio abuse they'd been put through. 

My original venturing into this thread today was to read about these Tenores you all speak fondly of, though I have my heart set on other gear atm. 


Edited by H20Fidelity - 5/22/14 at 7:50am
post #1812 of 5963

Broke my MEElect A161P's sadly and since then haven't found anything remotely as satifying. Since then I've bought the Vsonic VSD1S, Xiaomi Pistons and got replacement MEElect A151P's. The latter is terrible to listen to. Sounds like.... old radio? And the Xiaomi Pistons are dull and bass boomy in need of treble boost. Even my M9's are much better than them for half the price. The Vsonics are great, comfortable and clear but was looking for something different recently. Just pulled the trigger on the Tenore's from eBay. LEGGO!


Edited by hachoopoo - 5/22/14 at 8:04am
post #1813 of 5963
Just bought Tenore
post #1814 of 5963
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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post
 

Geek Out 1000 → Tenore.

 

The mids.. my goodness.. just unreal how effortless they can come across.

 

This is a special phone, my friends.

Your high praise says a lot, considering the IEMs that you possess (JH Audio JH13, Ultimate Ears In-Ear Reference Monitor, Aurisonics AS-2).

 

Mochill's selling off all IEMs also speaks volumes about how good the Tenore, Doppio, and ZMF MH1 are.

post #1815 of 5963
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post
 

i get a "submarine" underwater effect if it goes in too deeeep :P

 

Hey I get that too.  I'm just following instructions now by pulling my ear open during insertion and trying the shallow versus deep. 

 

Question for all of you about the suction and submarine-y-ness of these -- when you pull them out of your ear, does it feel like your brain might get sucked out?  I'm exaggerating of course, but there is definitely quite a bit of suction when pulling out.  I wonder if that is affecting my sound.  Conversely, I just tried the stretching ear method and my left ear appears to be done properly -- when I pull out I feel nothing but there's still a seal.  I can't seem to reproduce the same with my right ear however.

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