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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #1756 of 5963

So about lunashops tf10 tips. They are not that good as I thought. The bass is too much and I sense a bit of bleed in the mids with them. The treble still is open, extended and detailed. But the soundstage is taking a huge hit, it goes very narrow, the separation is very bad and the airy sound is also gone. So no good for the Tenores for me. But guess what, they work really great on my Pistons. I mean best from what I tried, so no lose in the end. Forgot the bass cannons that the Pistons are. :gs1000smile:

post #1757 of 5963

How do the Tenore compare directly to the Doppio ?

post #1758 of 5963
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Wx7v5LaY4

So beautiful. Jump to 16:56. Mmmmmmm

And 22:58 and on is very very nice.


Okay, here are some quick rundowns of Tenore vs KC06 after some youtube surfing:

Karate Kid OST: Tenore > KC06

Top Gun OST: KC06 > Tenore

Saturday Night Fever OST: KC06 > Tenore

The Carpenter's Greatest Hits: KC06 = Tenore

The Last Samurai OST: Tenore > KC06

Gladiator OST: KC06 > Tenore

 

I can't remember who recommended the Last Samurai OST but man oh man is it ever good.  Tenores do it very, very well.  Tenore seems to perform better with anything that doesn't have vocals.  Again this just a head to head comparison.  I don't own the ER4 that people have mentioned.  Tenore also shined in some of the jazz tracks that were listed by luisdent.  Thanks for sharing.  It's a shame Tenore's can't be worn sleeping, otherwise I'd be listening to instrumentals every night and 'enriching my brain' as my parents once called it. 

 

On the other hand when vocals enter the mix, then the KC06 shines because of its strong mids/highs.  A great example is in Gladiator around the 51 minute mark when the vocals come in, there should be a more balanced sound but with Tenores, the brass instruments overpower the vocals (or the vocals become recessed).  It sounds all wrong.  54 minute mark too, the KC06 really shines with the female vocalist.  I get goosebumps at this part.  :L3000:

 

I'm impressed with the way that Tenore is able to handle high volume.  I've got Youtube at 100% volume and my PC volume at 33% for KC06, Tenores I have to go 100/100 to get similar loudness.  But still the fact that I can turn it up that high and not notice any degradation or sibilance impresses me.  I don't know if KC06 can do it (I think I'd blow out my ears if I tried). 

post #1759 of 5963
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Originally Posted by lexus91 View Post
 

 

I have to agree with this. Tenore def no falling out compared to the more expensive headphones and earphones. I used Pandora and TH600 frequently. also own UE11 (rarely used now) and Tenore still able to make me smile time to time. 

Fly has some of the most reliable ears on this forum and he told me I must buy a pair.  Money is tight due to my relentless pursuit of squeezing every ounce of juice to my Paradox Slants, which are arguably the best sounding transducer I have owned.  Possibly better in many ways than a 20,000 dollar speaker I used to own back in the day.    Saving for a bottlehead DAC at the end of the summer....oooo!!!!   Anyhow you mentioned comparison of the carbo tenore with headphones and other refrence IEM's.  So if you wouldn't mind extrapolating a bit hear/here....lol!   How might these

compare with the Slants.  How do they compare with good to excellent headphones in your opinion? 

 

Will await your insights!!

 

 

thanks and happy listening,

 

jgwtriode

post #1760 of 5963
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Originally Posted by ebrian View Post


Okay, here are some quick rundowns of Tenore vs KC06 after some youtube surfing:
Karate Kid OST: Tenore > KC06
Top Gun OST: KC06 > Tenore
Saturday Night Fever OST: KC06 > Tenore
The Carpenter's Greatest Hits: KC06 = Tenore
The Last Samurai OST: Tenore > KC06
Gladiator OST: KC06 > Tenore

I can't remember who recommended the Last Samurai OST but man oh man is it ever good.  Tenores do it very, very well.  Tenore seems to perform better with anything that doesn't have vocals.  Again this just a head to head comparison.  I don't own the ER4 that people have mentioned.  Tenore also shined in some of the jazz tracks that were listed by luisdent.  Thanks for sharing.  It's a shame Tenore's can't be worn sleeping, otherwise I'd be listening to instrumentals every night and 'enriching my brain' as my parents once called it. 

On the other hand when vocals enter the mix, then the KC06 shines because of its strong mids/highs.  A great example is in Gladiator around the 51 minute mark when the vocals come in, there should be a more balanced sound but with Tenores, the brass instruments overpower the vocals (or the vocals become recessed).  It sounds all wrong.  54 minute mark too, the KC06 really shines with the female vocalist.  I get goosebumps at this part.  L3000.gif

I'm impressed with the way that Tenore is able to handle high volume.  I've got Youtube at 100% volume and my PC volume at 33% for KC06, Tenores I have to go 100/100 to get similar loudness.  But still the fact that I can turn it up that high and not notice any degradation or sibilance impresses me.  I don't know if KC06 can do it (I think I'd blow out my ears if I tried). 

Nice impressions, many have mentioned the vocals as the strongest side of the Tenores so the result is a bit surprising.

Speaking about volume: I was listening to music with the KC06 from my laptop through the Audioquest Dragonfly and something happened on the laptop so all of a sudden I got max volume. Thought both my ears and the iem's should be damaged but both survived wink.gif it was only for a spilt second though before I reacted and pulled the DAC out.
post #1761 of 5963
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Nice impressions, many have mentioned the vocals as the strongest side of the Tenores so the result is a bit surprising.

Speaking about volume: I was listening to music with the KC06 from my laptop through the Audioquest Dragonfly and something happened on the laptop so all of a sudden I got max volume. Thought both my ears and the iem's should be damaged but both survived wink.gif it was only for a spilt second though before I reacted and pulled the DAC out.


The more I read, the more convinced I am that I have a defective pair.. but I can't be sure.  As the saying goes, you have to play the hand you were dealt.  I can't exactly try to sell a defective pair and I'm not going to spend another ~$50 for Tenore because that'll make it a $100 iem for me.  And without handing these off to someone who has a non-defective pair, I won't know if there's something wrong with them.

 

The only hope I have is that the mids/highs improve greatly from burn-in. 

post #1762 of 5963
Burn in has nothing do with it. My pair sounded amazing straight out of the box. Not - well, that sounds pretty damn good, but maybe 3,000 more hours of burn in will bring out the bass and magically extend the highs
post #1763 of 5963
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Originally Posted by ebrian View Post
 


The more I read, the more convinced I am that I have a defective pair.. but I can't be sure.  As the saying goes, you have to play the hand you were dealt.  I can't exactly try to sell a defective pair and I'm not going to spend another ~$50 for Tenore because that'll make it a $100 iem for me.  And without handing these off to someone who has a non-defective pair, I won't know if there's something wrong with them.

 

The only hope I have is that the mids/highs improve greatly from burn-in. 

This is what is holding me back from buying them... you just do not know if you have a dud !

post #1764 of 5963

u guys who love soundtracks..n those who dun..

should consider getting the soundtrack of THE LAST SAMURAI n GLADIATORs 

muchmuch better than the youtube version...EPIC !!

post #1765 of 5963
I just bought 2 extra pair. I have a feeling that once these dry up an unopened pair of these will be worth a lot more than 50 bucks. Just a hunch
post #1766 of 5963
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Originally Posted by smith View Post
 

This is what is holding me back from buying them... you just do not know if you have a dud !

No need to hold back.  Prior to this month, nobody reported a dud.

 

Only 1 person (gnarlsagan) has reported dud, and ebrian may have a dud.

 

There are countless others who've received perfectly good ones.

post #1767 of 5963
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Originally Posted by peter123 View Post
Nice impressions, many have mentioned the vocals as the strongest side of the Tenores so the result is a bit surprising.

Speaking about volume: I was listening to music with the KC06 from my laptop through the Audioquest Dragonfly and something happened on the laptop so all of a sudden I got max volume. Thought both my ears and the iem's should be damaged but both survived wink.gif it was only for a spilt second though before I reacted and pulled the DAC out.


The more I read, the more convinced I am that I have a defective pair.. but I can't be sure.  As the saying goes, you have to play the hand you were dealt.  I can't exactly try to sell a defective pair and I'm not going to spend another ~$50 for Tenore because that'll make it a $100 iem for me.  And without handing these off to someone who has a non-defective pair, I won't know if there's something wrong with them.

 

The only hope I have is that the mids/highs improve greatly from burn-in. 

You can mail them to me to compare and I'll send them back... Just a thought.

post #1768 of 5963
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smith View Post
 

This is what is holding me back from buying them... you just do not know if you have a dud !

No need to hold back.  Prior to this month, nobody reported a dud.

 

Only 1 person (gnarlsagan) has reported dud, and ebrian may have a dud.

 

There are countless others who've received perfectly good ones.

 

I believe gnarlsagan is truly having problems, but crap does happen and that doesn't necessarily mean the product line is bad, as unlikely as it seems.

 

I bought FIVE kindle paperwhites not too long ago. Two from best buy and three direct from amazon officially. All five were defective, from a flickering backlight to a deeply scratched screen (brand new in box), and defective e-ink problems. FIVE in a row. While there are some issues with kindles, the majority of people that buy them are fine. I think I had a really bad situation of crap luck. Same goes for earphones.

 

Look at the mh1 thread. A bunch of people complain about imbalance. I've bought about 7 pairs I think (recabling and whatnot). All of which I tested a while, and all of mine sounded identical and perfect. So maybe it's the source, maybe it's bad luck? Who knows. I'll let you know how my other three pairs sound, but let's just hope it isn't a normal thing....

post #1769 of 5963
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

You can mail them to me to compare and I'll send them back... Just a thought.

I would consider it if you were living in Canada.  Wayne -- are you getting Tenores?

post #1770 of 5963
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Originally Posted by ebrian View Post
 

I would consider it if you were living in Canada.  Wayne -- are you getting Tenores?

 

Yes, I'm getting the Tenores. But it might be tricky timing wise.. I'll PM you.

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