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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 69% (130)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 30% (56)
    Carbo Basso
186 Total Votes  
post #796 of 4270

is it worth auditioning for 20.00$

post #797 of 4270
Quote:
Originally Posted by drbluenewmexico View Post

is it worth auditioning for 20.00$

You already have the Basso, there's no point unless you just wanna experience how good it is. If you didn't have the Basso, I'd recommend it definitely. Requires at least 100hrs of HEAVY burn-in.
post #798 of 4270
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Originally Posted by d marc0 View Post

I'm shocked to know that "in your face" is now more like "slap in the face"! Lol. I can't believe people are really into "more" is better.

FX3X could have been the ultimate bass headphone for me if it didn't cause fatigue to my ears. They are quite detailed, airy, decent separation, and massive thumping BASS! I really liked it coz it wasn't boomy at all. I just couldn't fix the fatiguing part. It wasn't even too sibilant to my taste. But IMO, the FX3X is one of the most "in your face" sounding IEM I've tried.

Nah, apparently these days anything that isn't extremely V-shaped is considered by some people to be in your face. Like when wayne was comparing the basso and vsd1 and said that vsd1 is more in your face. That's my point - vsd1 is already a bit laid back and is not even close to being in your face let alone the fx3x. It's nothing personal - I just think that some people, especially the bassheads should really hear more different stuff before stating stuff like "in your face" coz something like fx3x's sound is coming like from the deep part of a cave in comparison to a forward and aggressive iem - just sayin'


Edited by kova4a - 7/30/13 at 4:09pm
post #799 of 4270

Since i have the Basso, i think i will skip the fxx3, even for 20 bucks, burning them in for 100 hours doesnt seem useful or a good use of my time and focus.  seems like i should just quit messing around, and get the cks1000, for money well spent!

of course those\X1s are calling also....

post #800 of 4270
Quote:
Originally Posted by drbluenewmexico View Post

Since i have the Basso, i think i will skip the fxx3, even for 20 bucks, burning them in for 100 hours doesnt seem useful or a good use of my time and focus.  seems like i should just quit messing around, and get the cks1000, for money well spent!
of course those\X1s are calling also....

I'd go for the X1! The CKS1000 can wait while you're still on a honeymoon with the Bassos.
post #801 of 4270
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post

Nah, apparently these days anything that isn't extremely V-shaped is considered by some people to be in your face. Like when wayne was comparing the basso and vsd1 and said that vsd1 is more in your face. That's my point - vsd1 is already a bit laid back and is not even close to being in your face let alone the fx3x. It's nothing personal - I just think that some people, especially the bassheads should really hear more different stuff before stating stuff like "in your face" coz something like fx3x's sound is coming like from the deep part of a cave in comparison to a forward and aggressive iem - just sayin'

 

Nah nah nah nah nah. Lol. Life is living, listening and learning (and being "nah'd" by kova4a lol!). I have come to realize that yes, what I meant by "in your face" was "less recessed, or neutral to more forward, mids". Aka "less V shaped", or "more U shaped" or "more balanced". So I probably shouldn't have been using a term such as "in your face" to describe that. I should have said "the mids are more forward" with the vsd1's.

 

Your "fx3x sound is coming from the deep part of a cave" comment is funny lol. Actually, it prompted me to dig them out and give them a listen directly after listening to the H200's. I guess we all hear differently, because they don't sound cave-like to me lol! Maybe a bit more distant and v-shaped than the H200's, but not "from the deep part of a cave" lol! An iem that I might categorize like that is the R1 - the mids are lost with them imo.

 

Anyway, which iems would you consider to be "in your face" sounding? And are you referring to mainly the mids being more forward, or what?


Edited by waynes world - 7/30/13 at 9:22pm
post #802 of 4270
Personally I'd use the term "in your face" when describing one's location in the soundstage. Like if you are placed on or right in front of the stage, that's "in your face" to me. So don't hesitate to use the term Wayne coz I don't believe there's a strict meaning to it.
post #803 of 4270
Just as promised, here it is:


These are the HTC stock tips that came bundled with the HTC One. As you can see, the shape is slick thus allowing deep insertion with ease. The tip of the IEM nozzle lies very close to the end of the bore as well and that will make the highs extend a LOT better.

As i posted yesterday, this will make the Basso sound more balanced. It doesn't really affect the bass aside from a more refined extension or control. What it really does is bring forward the highs and to some extent the upper mids (thanks to deep insertion). As a result, the Basso doesn't sound as warm as it does on other tips and IMO it now sounds like a U shaped signature.

Pros:
  • Well controlled/refined bass
  • More forward and extended highs
  • Isolation is superb

Cons:
  • Slight decrease in soundstage

Unfortunately they only come either in Red or White mad.gif
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271205523403?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Good news is, the IEM that's bundled with them is REALLY Good. How good? Well you have to stay tuned for that at the Discovery Thread. Still burning those babies before I give my final verdict. TEASER: The HTC M7 headset sounds very similar to the Basso...
Edited by d marc0 - 7/31/13 at 12:29am
post #804 of 4270
Quote:
Originally Posted by kova4a View Post

 

It's a decent iem if you want a lot of bass but first you have to pay me a substantial compensation for the use of my "Nah" in you post

Ha ha!

I dont just want bass, also want good soundstage, seperation and detail.

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by d marc0 View Post

Just as promised, here it is:


These are the HTC stock tips that came bundled with the HTC One. As you can see, the shape is slick thus allowing deep insertion with ease. The tip of the IEM nozzle lies very close to the end of the bore as well and that will make the highs extend a LOT better.

As i posted yesterday, this will make the Basso sound more balanced. It doesn't really affect the bass aside from a more refined extension or control. What it really does is bring forward the highs and to some extent the upper mids (thanks to deep insertion). As a result, the Basso doesn't sound as warm as it does on other tips and IMO it now sounds like a U shaped signature.

Pros:
  • Well controlled/refined bass
  • More forward and extended highs
  • Isolation is superb

Cons:
  • Slight decrease in soundstage

Unfortunately they only come either in Red or White mad.gif
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271205523403?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Good news is, the IEM that's bundled with them is REALLY Good. How good? Well you have to stay tuned for that at the Discovery Thread. Still burning those babies before I give my final verdict. TEASER: The HTC M7 headset sounds very similar to the Basso...
 
Dont say that!
I aleady got the M7 IEMs, never tried them though.
Could have bought something a bit better if I already had similar sounding IEMs! 

Edited by nekromantik - 7/31/13 at 12:32am
post #805 of 4270
Quote:
Originally Posted by nekromantik View Post

 

Dont say that!
I aleady got the M7 IEMs, never tried them though.
Could have bought something a bit better if I already had similar sounding IEMs! 

 

 

 

 

Awesome! Don't worry, the Bassos are definitely better by a slight margin me thinks... biggrin.gif

But I do have a hard time distinguishing one from another the other when NOT doing a critical A/B comparison.

That means if you're on the go, i.e. in a bus or outdoors, it'll be just as good has having the Bassos on. Plus you get the play, pause, skip remote!

This is the reason I'm taking my time with this comparison because I have to discover the minute differences... I've only pin-pointed timbre so far and that's it! eek.gif

Note that that my setup is the iPod Touch 5th gen + JDSlabs C5 + ALAC or 320kbps music files and using H200 translucent grey tips on the HTC headset.

The HTC iems are really power hungry! They scale really well with better amping.

 

Let me know how you find them...


Edited by d marc0 - 7/31/13 at 1:26am
post #806 of 4270

I finally got my Bassos! I am starting to worry since I liked them immediately. Am I a basshead in disguise? confused_face(1).gif So after the first couple of hours I could say that the majority of the descriptions read here, were quite accurate.

Clean sound, great instrument separation, good powerful bass/sub-bass that doesn't leak to mids and highs and when it's needed it's always present. I would prefer some times to feel it a bit less present but it's much better for the 90% of times. It's better to have it than missing it. Just for the fact I'm glad that I chose Basso over Tenore since I think that the bass of the Tenore wouldn't satisfy me.

 

I haven't burnt them in yet so I expect the mids and the highs to expand as I've read, but even at this current extend they seem quite impressive.  Also I feel that the male vocals with these are a bit forward, something that I like, I don't miss the whole band but I can clearly hear the singer in front of me. Just like in a good concert. I hope that the soundstage will open just a bit too so I will have that airy feeling that everyone praises.

 

They are warm, no question about it, but it's not the warmish bloated sound you usually get from cheap phones, you just feel part of the music. Of course for some genres and songs you need more aggressive signature but so far no complains here.

 

I'm not really satisfied with the tips, I usually go with M size and the stock tips were a bit big for me so I went with S size tips that had a deeper isolation too. They are a bit stiff and they become somehow uncomfortable after a while.Unfortunately I don't have many tips for rolling so the only ones that fitted almost good where those from Radiopaq Jazz they are very soft and brought that airy feeling to the Bassos also the bass was a bit lowered so that was just fine. So if anyone has these old cheapos qive them a try.

 

The strange thing was that they were hard to drive through my Samsung Wave, without EQ I had to reach full volume for the songs also the sound was quite flat. Only after EQ and some tweaks I reached a satisfied result. I can blame the Wave for this since from my laptop and without DAC/AMP the Bassos were another beast! (Please don't tell me I need a DAP!)
 

As a reference for music I have a couple of songs but especially for the depth I always prefer J.S. Bach - Cello Suite No. 2 in D minor. even if you don't like classical music give a try to this, I think you will be impressed!

post #807 of 4270

@vsls

Congratulations on getting the Basso! I'm glad you like them just as much as we do. Here's a few tips:

 

Soundstage: This will vary depending on the tips you use with the basso. Here's my top three: 1)Meelec Double flange tips 2) T-PEOS H200 grey tips 3) Sony Hybrid Tips

 

Clarity and Detail: The bassos scale really well with amping. If you want to hear the Basso sound at its best, pair them with a great amp like C&C BH or JDSlabs C5.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by vsls View Post

I haven't burnt them in yet so I expect the mids and the highs to expand as I've read, but even at this current extend they seem quite impressive.  Also I feel that the male vocals with these are a bit forward, something that I like, I don't miss the whole band but I can clearly hear the singer in front of me. Just like in a good concert. I hope that the soundstage will open just a bit too so I will have that airy feeling that everyone praises.

 

As for better extension at higher frequencies, read my discovery a few post above this...

post #808 of 4270
Quote:
Originally Posted by d marc0 View Post

 

Awesome! Don't worry, the Bassos are definitely better by a slight margin me thinks... biggrin.gif

But I do have a hard time distinguishing one from another the other when NOT doing a critical A/B comparison.

That means if you're on the go, i.e. in a bus or outdoors, it'll be just as good has having the Bassos on. Plus you get the play, pause, skip remote!

This is the reason I'm taking my time with this comparison because I have to discover the minute differences... I've only pin-pointed timbre so far and that's it! eek.gif

Note that that my setup is the iPod Touch 5th gen + JDSlabs C5 + ALAC or 320kbps music files and using H200 translucent grey tips on the HTC headset.

The HTC iems are really power hungry! They scale really well with better amping.

 

Let me know how you find them...

I will do :)

post #809 of 4270
Quote:
Originally Posted by d marc0 View Post

@vsls

Congratulations on getting the Basso! I'm glad you like them just as much as we do. Here's a few tips:

 

Soundstage: This will vary depending on the tips you use with the basso. Here's my top three: 1)Meelec Double flange tips 2) T-PEOS H200 grey tips 3) Sony Hybrid Tips

 

Clarity and Detail: The bassos scale really well with amping. If you want to hear the Basso sound at its best, pair them with a great amp like C&C BH or JDSlabs C5.

 

As for better extension at higher frequencies, read my discovery a few post above this...


Thanks d marc0! I was thinking about the Meelec's but if I spent €2 more I could buy the HTC IEMs you've posted above so I'm waiting to see which is better (and hopefully find the HTC in black!)

The Meelec's are similar to S stock tips?

As for amping I have tried my reliable ELE-DAC that gives a little boost as well and they sound even better than straight out of the laptop. I'm waiting my Fiio E10 in a couple of days so I will post my impressions from that as well.

Of course I will mainly use them outdoors and I need a good solution for the Samsung, otherwise I still have my old Creative Zen

For burn-in is the same old route of trance music? Since I don't really hear that genre I have to do it only during night when I'm not using the IEMs!

Also no driver flex so far.


Finally, the last thing I care about is the design and the appearance but the Bassos look so so so great espesially that inner texture that no picture can justify it.

post #810 of 4270
Not sure about the S tips but I doubt it.

As for burn in, just play your most bass heavy track in a loop at high volume: just a notch above what you can tolerate. I usually use dubstep for burning.
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