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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 69% (127)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 30% (56)
    Carbo Basso
183 Total Votes  
post #3331 of 4264
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Originally Posted by Dsnuts View Post

I saw these guys live at Red Rocks with Pantara and Sepultura. FREAKING EPIC!

It was when I was younger but these guys opened the show with this tune. The bodies started to fly..Aha fond memories



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This is one of my favorite metal songs of all time. Sounds simply blissful on my Tenores. Can't wait to get my Doppios!
post #3332 of 4264
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dsnuts View Post

I saw these guys live at Red Rocks with Pantara and Sepultura. FREAKING EPIC!

It was when I was younger but these guys opened the show with this tune. The bodies started to fly..Aha fond memories

This is one of my favorite metal songs of all time. Sublime heaviness on my Tenores. Can't wait to get my Doppios.
post #3333 of 4264
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Originally Posted by UnityIsPower View Post

I'll still wait before placing them back on my table...

How big are the cable length differences?

 

 

The two pairs with the shortest cables sound very similar, they are probably from the same batch. Still, the one with the shortest cable didn't have the cable properly glued to the Y-splitter as you can see in this shot (don't worry James, this is one of my own pairs :p):

 

 

The ones with the longer cable also share some characteristics, like less sub bass (which is good) and distortion (which is not that good). Those were the two pairs i though had L/R balance issues at the lowest frequencies, as it turns out they are just prone to shell resonance. The one with the longest cable is James' warm pair and its right driver resonates a lot. My warm pair mainly does this with its left driver but it's a lot milder, if i hadn't listened to James' pair i might not have caught it, which is why i don't consider it a serious issue.

 

The cable issue with my other pair and the distortion with James' pair are serious issues though, and i can't say i am happy with the percentage.

post #3334 of 4264
KC06 comparisons incoming!

Also the luisdent was right on about the Philips tips. I'm using the mediums. So far seems to be less of the "smoothness" in the highs, adding a bit more ting with the tips. Bass seems a bit lessened, but it's probably just the more present treble.
post #3335 of 4264
Now I'm getting channel imbalance and reduced volume on one of my reference Tenores. After about a half hour of listening the volume starts to drop considerably, about 10dB, and treble drops off, altering the sound sig substantially.

Terrible terrible quality control. This is the second pair I've had with this issue. And now I have only one decent pair left, out of six! Wtf Zero Audio. I may be done with this brand.
post #3336 of 4264
I'm going to crack these Tenores open. Any recommendations on how best to proceed? I was thinking pliers and/or big hammer. I need to know what's causing this issue.
post #3337 of 4264
I was not thinking of writing again but I had to report: after 3 days of fine listening TTS showed itself again.

I have no hopes for this strange problem... Seems like driver related. I have no meaningful explanation... Its not a consistent or permanent failure on my iem.
Edited by Baycode - 7/7/14 at 2:04pm
post #3338 of 4264
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Now I'm getting channel imbalance and reduced volume on one of my reference Tenores. After about a half hour of listening the volume starts to drop considerably, about 10dB, and treble drops off, altering the sound sig substantially.

Terrible terrible quality control. This is the second pair I've had with this issue. And now I have only one decent pair left, out of six! Wtf Zero Audio. I may be done with this brand.

I'm having the same issue with my pair. I thought I was going mad! Losing my head that the volume was decreasing on it's own?? And I have the same issue with intermittent imbalance. Thank you kind sir for establishing that this is a trait of the Tenore, and not me going crazy or deaf! I hope my incoming Doppios don't have the same QC Issues??
post #3339 of 4264
The volume will drop considerably and noticeably, and require you to turn up the volume several notches past where you originally set it.
post #3340 of 4264

There's something to be said for the psychological aspect of uncertainty not knowing if your pair is going to start cutting out.  Or if it's just in your head.  The worst is a very minor channel imbalance.  You don't want to believe it's there, and then when you acknowledge it is, you start bargaining with yourself to see if it's minor enough to be overlooked. 

post #3341 of 4264

You know, speaking of psychologicality :-P I always think I get imbalance due to fit here and there, but the more I think of it, I'm pretty sure sometimes it must be the earphones. Today, when I was comparing the kc06 and tenore a bit more, I put my tenore in one time and couldn't get the right channel to be as loud as the left. I thought it was my fit/seal/ear, but it never got better. But when I switched to the kc06 there was no imbalance, so I know it wasn't my ear. That leaves fit and seal. As it felt normal and sounded fairly normal, it seems to me I might have had imbalance too. This happens now and then, but I just play with it until it fixes itself or I try to ignore it until it goes away, assuming it's pressure or something.

 

Ultimately though, I really do think sometimes I'm being to lenient, and that there is no logical reason for the drop in volume, which is sometimes roughly 20-30% or maybe even more. I don't know. Maybe not, but it seems odd that fiddling with it sometimes doesn't get it to go away, and others experience imbalance. Seems more likely I'm actually getting imbalance... poop.

 

Now that I've personally had a good long time to compare the tenore and kc06 (assuming both are in their proper condition) I'm pretty confident I can give a solid final impression as I hear it. Then we can see how gnarlsagan finds them to sound.

 

First, these are probably a tricky iem, because the fit is shallow and the seal and isolation aren't always ideal. But for me, especially wearing them over the ear, when I can get them a bit better fitted, I find them very similar to my reference tenores with the following differences:

 

The tenore has better mid range and sounds more flat throughout the spectrum. The kc06 has a more prominent treble. I personally don't hear this as boosted or bad in any way at all. Using eq I can basically flatten the tenore treble based on the previously seen graph and it sounds closer to the kc06 treble. However, the kc06 has more "main" bass region. I don't hear any mid bass bloat, but the bass is a bit stronger. The tenore is very neutral in the bass, with the treble sounding slightly soft in comparison to the kc06.

 

The biggest difference I hear, which is a double edged sword, is there is some dip in the low treble/upper mids. This gives the kc06 a very nice depth to it, instruments sound more distinct and stand out more in their own space, but at the loss of a bit of mid presence that gives strings and somethings a lush sound. The tenore, having more presence/amplitude here, gives a more detailed "overall" sound. I hear certain instruments that sound a touch (very slight) recessed on teh kc06, while on the tenore they are more even in the mix, hence the flatter overall response. But on the kc06, while some of that region is very slightly lower, the rest of the entire spectrum has a bit more of a natural, real sound to my ears. Things are a touch darker than the reference tenore, because of the dip and added bass, but sometimes this ends up sounding more real to me depending on the song.

 

I really find the two are almost equal in my opinion. The tenore excels at flat overall comprehension and revealing every single detail evenly as mixed. While the kc06 brings the details out more distinctly and with more depth and room ambience, but at the cost of a very small loss of some mid range distinction and body.

 

If I eq the tenore to sound more like the kc06 treble it is very very impressive, and simply lowering the bass of the kc06, boosting the mids or both makes them extremely impressive as well. I still can't decide which I'd prefer if I could only have one (which is sort of a goal). They both make me hear different focus areas, while both sounding very reference overall.

 

The only thing that would skew these impressions for you might be if you get a bassier tenore or the kc06 (or tenore) don't work well with your ear canal or fit/seal. But for $60 each, these things are insane sound quality. "Quality" on the other hand. I'm starting to wonder. The tenores are getting a bad track record here. The kc06 not so much, and yet reverse polarity on a driver causing inverted phase? Really? That means first, they failed to wire them properly and second, obviously no one did any decent testing of the unit. But if that is 1 out of 1000 that's not too bad. I haven't heard too much against the ostry yet...

post #3342 of 4264
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Originally Posted by roy_jones View Post

There's something to be said for the psychological aspect of uncertainty not knowing if your pair is going to start cutting out.  Or if it's just in your head.  The worst is a very minor channel imbalance.  You don't want to believe it's there, and then when you acknowledge it is, you start bargaining with yourself to see if it's minor enough to be overlooked. 

I agree. Well said good sir.
post #3343 of 4264
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

You know, speaking of psychologicality :-P I always think I get imbalance due to fit here and there, but the more I think of it, I'm pretty sure sometimes it must be the earphones. Today, when I was comparing the kc06 and tenore a bit more, I put my tenore in one time and couldn't get the right channel to be as loud as the left. I thought it was my fit/seal/ear, but it never got better. But when I switched to the kc06 there was no imbalance, so I know it wasn't my ear. That leaves fit and seal. As it felt normal and sounded fairly normal, it seems to me I might have had imbalance too. This happens now and then, but I just play with it until it fixes itself or I try to ignore it until it goes away, assuming it's pressure or something.

Ultimately though, I really do think sometimes I'm being to lenient, and that there is no logical reason for the drop in volume, which is sometimes roughly 20-30% or maybe even more. I don't know. Maybe not, but it seems odd that fiddling with it sometimes doesn't get it to go away, and others experience imbalance. Seems more likely I'm actually getting imbalance... poop.

Now that I've personally had a good long time to compare the tenore and kc06 (assuming both are in their proper condition) I'm pretty confident I can give a solid final impression as I hear it. Then we can see how gnarlsagan finds them to sound.

First, these are probably a tricky iem, because the fit is shallow and the seal and isolation aren't always ideal. But for me, especially wearing them over the ear, when I can get them a bit better fitted, I find them very similar to my reference tenores with the following differences:

The tenore has better mid range and sounds more flat throughout the spectrum. The kc06 has a more prominent treble. I personally don't hear this as boosted or bad in any way at all. Using eq I can basically flatten the tenore treble based on the previously seen graph and it sounds closer to the kc06 treble. However, the kc06 has more "main" bass region. I don't hear any mid bass bloat, but the bass is a bit stronger. The tenore is very neutral in the bass, with the treble sounding slightly soft in comparison to the kc06.

The biggest difference I hear, which is a double edged sword, is there is some dip in the low treble/upper mids. This gives the kc06 a very nice depth to it, instruments sound more distinct and stand out more in their own space, but at the loss of a bit of mid presence that gives strings and somethings a lush sound. The tenore, having more presence/amplitude here, gives a more detailed "overall" sound. I hear certain instruments that sound a touch (very slight) recessed on teh kc06, while on the tenore they are more even in the mix, hence the flatter overall response. But on the kc06, while some of that region is very slightly lower, the rest of the entire spectrum has a bit more of a natural, real sound to my ears. Things are a touch darker than the reference tenore, because of the dip and added bass, but sometimes this ends up sounding more real to me depending on the song.

I really find the two are almost equal in my opinion. The tenore excels at flat overall comprehension and revealing every single detail evenly as mixed. While the kc06 brings the details out more distinctly and with more depth and room ambience, but at the cost of a very small loss of some mid range distinction and body.

If I eq the tenore to sound more like the kc06 treble it is very very impressive, and simply lowering the bass of the kc06, boosting the mids or both makes them extremely impressive as well. I still can't decide which I'd prefer if I could only have one (which is sort of a goal). They both make me hear different focus areas, while both sounding very reference overall.

The only thing that would skew these impressions for you might be if you get a bassier tenore or the kc06 (or tenore) don't work well with your ear canal or fit/seal. But for $60 each, these things are insane sound quality. "Quality" on the other hand. I'm starting to wonder. The tenores are getting a bad track record here. The kc06 not so much, and yet reverse polarity on a driver causing inverted phase? Really? That means first, they failed to wire them properly and second, obviously no one did any decent testing of the unit. But if that is 1 out of 1000 that's not too bad. I haven't heard too much against the ostry yet...

Sounds to be you haven't quite come up with a clear favorite between the Tenores and Ostry? Both have their definite strengths and weaknesses. I'm going to enjoy my Tenores, despite their whacky QC issues and QUIRKS until my Doppio are dropped off at my door. If not the Doppio, I might take a crack at the Singolos or those awesome looking Rock Jaw IEM's from the UK?
post #3344 of 4264

I fully intended to get the Doppios as well. I won't. It's not the obviously horrendous quality control that swayed me, it's Zero Audio's response. They can blame it on unicorns all they want but i wont support a company with that attitude. 

post #3345 of 4264
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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post
 

I fully intended to get the Doppios as well. I won't. It's not the obviously horrendous quality control that swayed me, it's Zero Audio's response. They can blame it on unicorns all they want but i wont support a company with that attitude. 

? Have you got a response from them about this? Or do you mean my non-response from them? lol 

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