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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 70% (131)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 29% (56)
    Carbo Basso
187 Total Votes  
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If you guys had to choose between the Tenore's or RE-400's, what would you choose and why?

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Originally Posted by BabylonDown View Post
 

If you guys had to choose between the Tenore's or RE-400's, what would you choose and why?

 

If you are lucky and get a "reference" tenore I'd pick the tenore. If I got a really bassy tenore I'd personally probably rather listen to the re-400. However, the re-400 I had developed a driver problem in a few days to a week. So it went back. I'm sure they both have durability issues like every earphone potentially could, but the re-series are almost known for their bad reliability. I don't want to spread rumors or anything, they sound great, but I read it before I bought mine and then of course it happened to me, so I'm thinking there might at least be a little truth to it. They do warranty them, but i found it annoying that they wanted me to ship the earphones to me so they could check them out and then they'd send a replacement. I understand that as a business, but they should act like amazon and send the replacement so you aren't without your product. If you don't send the old one back they can charge your card.

 

Anyway, enough ranting. Strictly based on sound alone I would say it goes reference tenore >> re-400 >> bassy tenore

 

Comparing the better of the two, the re-400 in my opinion has excellent bass to treble, but the treble is a bit more uneven. However, the dip in the treble creates a slight sense of depth compared to the tenore, but I wouldn't say it's better. And overall the re-400 strikes me as more closed in somehow. The tenore is more expansive sounding due to the extension and the lightness of the sound. The bassier variant you could possibly get takes that away and makes things warmer and more laid back at the cost of openness and a sense of dynamics...


Edited by luisdent - 7/3/14 at 6:32pm
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O.k. I figured out the problem. The right driver is defective somehow. I proved this conclusively by doing the following:

 

I connected a stereo y-splitter to my audio output and plugged both tenores into the splitter. I then put the left ear of the gold ostry in my left ear and the right ear of the silver ostry in my right ear. This sounded normal and I couldn't tell there were any problems. I swapped so that the left channel of the silver ostry was in my left ear and right channel of the gold ostry was in my right ear. The sound was just as messed up as the gold ostry. Lastly, if I put both left channels in each of my ears I get a perfect mono signal centered. If I put both right channels in both of my ears I get a similar messed up sound, but in mono.

 

It appears there is a problem with the right channel somehow. This explains the center imaging being messed up. It could also explain the hollowness if it is in fact similar to the MH1 in the sense that it's a problem with the wiring somehow. Just a theory. The interesting thing is that listening to each channel alone wouldn't reveal this. Obviously it's hard to judge a single channel in one ear, but still the sound isn't distorted or anything. It's just very obvious when you compare it how I did.


Edited by luisdent - 7/3/14 at 6:53pm
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O.k. sfwalcer, break out some sad face gifs. ;) ;) :(

 

On another note, there appears to be at least two variants. One has a package that breaks apart and comes with a much more useful round drawstring pouch. The other is a two piece sliding box that comes with a more narrow completely useless drawstring pouch that doesn't stay closed or even fit the dang earphones, literally. Otherwise, they appear to be identical.

 

(my photos)

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

 

(from the web - I'm too lazy to take everything back out! hahaha)

Good pouch:

 

 

Bad pouch:

 


Edited by luisdent - 7/3/14 at 7:07pm
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^

LMAO nah you didn't stumble onto anything ground BREAKING with the packaging/ pouch etc. I got those golden sets used from gxy11 which only came in a pouch, and all the accessories but no box since he lives all the way in Singapore in order to save on shipping.  He gave a me sweet price shipped for them so i was like i don't need the damn box, and for me those golden KC06 sounds very similar/ same as the golden set i had in for audition from Dannybai. Didn't hear anything wrong with the sound, nor with any of the drivers so....

 

I later traded for a set of silver KC06 with shotgunshane with my VSonic VSD1 LE since i didn't really like the golden look much, plus it would probably be good to have a back up of these Ostriches cuz i plan to use them as daily beaters and they sound amazing straight outta' cellphone.

 

Long story short the box/ accessories you got with these golden ostry KC06 is ALL from shotgunshanes silver set. That ends your box difference/ sound/ quality control conspiracy.... LoL :rolleyes:

 

But why am i not surprised that you flat bass sissys hear what peps normally don't hear past 2 owners and 3 sets of ostry KC06s in, for me at least. haha

 

And people say i am a picky bastard with my gears/ sound??? :deadhorse:

 

So no problem just send those golden birds back if you hear all those problems and i'll see how i like your tenores. If i dig them as much as i dig these Ostrys i'll just buy it off of ya', but if they don't really float my boat i'll send them back.

 

Nothing complicated really. :  )


Edited by sfwalcer - 7/3/14 at 8:08pm
post #3291 of 4283
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

For instance, the most immediate thing I hear different is that the stereo width is like TWICE as wide, literally. But not in a good way. Things aren't very distinct and don't sound coherent. It's like the sound is almost hollow in a sense,  but the frequency response sound similar to the 'good' pair I have.

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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

O.k. I figured out the problem. The right driver is defective somehow. I proved this conclusively by doing the following:

 

I connected a stereo y-splitter to my audio output and plugged both tenores into the splitter. I then put the left ear of the gold ostry in my left ear and the right ear of the silver ostry in my right ear. This sounded normal and I couldn't tell there were any problems. I swapped so that the left channel of the silver ostry was in my left ear and right channel of the gold ostry was in my right ear. The sound was just as messed up as the gold ostry. Lastly, if I put both left channels in each of my ears I get a perfect mono signal centered. If I put both right channels in both of my ears I get a similar messed up sound, but in mono.

 

It appears there is a problem with the right channel somehow. This explains the center imaging being messed up. It could also explain the hollowness if it is in fact similar to the MH1 in the sense that it's a problem with the wiring somehow. Just a theory. The interesting thing is that listening to each channel alone wouldn't reveal this. Obviously it's hard to judge a single channel in one ear, but still the sound isn't distorted or anything. It's just very obvious when you compare it how I did.

 

Jm2c, sounds like the right earpiece might be wired out of phase. Have you done a polarity check?

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But why you gots to slootshame my lil golden birdies like that in public, poor things. :tongue:

 

Oh and still HYPED for hear those so called "reference" tenores!!!

 

The mere thought of their godly flatness already has me....

 

.... : P

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I can foresee an interesting shootout coming our way biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 

But why you gots to slootshame my lil golden birdies like that in public, poor things. :tongue:

 

Oh and still HYPED for hear those so called "reference" tenores!!!

 

The mere thought of their godly flatness already has me....

 

.... : P

 

Haha. Not at all. Just being analytical, trying to figure out the cause and whatnot. :-)

 

Also, I didn't mean to indicate at all that the two varieties had different sound. If that is how it came across that wasn't intended. I was just showing that there are in fact two versions, one with a different case, which I think is useless. The sound of you ostry is identical to mine in the left channel ;-)  So I'm sure if the right channel was perfect they would sound identical all around.

 

I just thought the different box and pouch were interesting. Don't see why they would do that, unless your set was made after and the pouch was improved. Otherwise, i'd say they downgraded it. Seems dorky. :-P

 

I'll ship these back when I get a chance. Thanks for being cool about it. And I'm dying to know what you think of my tenores. I hope you like er4s bass (with more sub bass). :-P hehe

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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

Jm2c, sounds like the right earpiece might be wired out of phase. Have you done a polarity check?

 

You my friend are a genius. They are 100% out of phase. All those samples sound exactly backwards. When they are switched they sound just like my ostrys. So there you have it sfwalcer. You must not be able to here phase variations ;) hahaha

 

But seriously, that explains what I described about the center imaging and everything. I'm actually surprised I didn't thin of testing that. Good call.

 

When you get them back sfwalcer, make sure you try this: http://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_polaritycheck.php  You should definitely hear what I'm hearing...

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/headphone-systems/235030-if-headphones-out-phase-can-you-hear.html

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it's not a subtle effect.

You go from "in your head" imaging and soudstage, to a strange reverberant and completely unfocused image.

 

That's precisely what I'm hearing. The only way to fix it would be recabling them, which isn't worth the cost in my opinion, as they don't look easy to recable. Also, I used logic pro to swap the phase on a full song and do a comparison. They sound 100% identical to my ostry when the phase is swapped. So apparently someone or some machine at the factory swapped the polarity of the wires...


Edited by luisdent - 7/3/14 at 9:31pm
post #3296 of 4283
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I can foresee an interesting shootout coming our way biggrin.gif


^

Welp i was just trollin' ya'll.

 

FWIW, i really don't give a flying rats arse regarding measuring "flat" and flatness in sound. Here is what sharky dood PMed me....

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luisdent
Today at 1:39 pm
 

Hey sfwalver,

I was just wondering, if you went solely by graphs, what do you consider the flattest earphone there is? And if you go solely by your ears what do you consider the flattest 'sounding' earphone?

 

 

And here is my rely to him. :  )

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 That's why i don't really care for graphs nor whatever peps consider as "flat" sounding stuff, cuz it's all meh to me if it is missing depth/ layering/ texture in any of the sonic spectrums esp. in the bass department.

 

 

So yeah graphs are fine and dandy but i trust me own ear 1st and foremost. I don't really care if it sounds flat or not just as long as it's amazing sounding without anything missing from the lowest of the lows to the highest of the highs, with a sexcee lush and deliciously forward mid section.  :ksc75smile:

 

Who likes things that are as flat as a cardboard am i right??? :ph34r:

 

Oh so to answer his question the "flattest" gears i have heard/ owned so far would probably be the Beyer DT250 250ohms, the VSonic VC02 and the Brainwavz Deltas. i would say they are more "balanced" than "flat" though so....


Edited by sfwalcer - 7/3/14 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Francisk View Post

I can foresee an interesting shootout coming our way biggrin.gif


^

Welp i was just trollin' ya'll.

 

FWIW, i really don't give a flying rats arse regarding measuring "flat" and flatness in sound. Here is what sharky dood PMed me....

Quote:
 
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luisdent
Today at 1:39 pm
 

Hey sfwalver,

I was just wondering, if you went solely by graphs, what do you consider the flattest earphone there is? And if you go solely by your ears what do you consider the flattest 'sounding' earphone?

 

 

And here is my rely to him. :  )

Quote:
 That's why i don't really care for graphs nor whatever peps consider as "flat" sounding stuff, cuz it's all meh to me if it is missing depth/ layering/ texture in any of the sonic spectrums esp. in the bass department.

 

 

So yeah graphs are fine and dandy but i trust me own ear 1st and foremost. I don't really care if it sounds flat or not just as long as it's amazing sounding without anything missing from the lowest of the lows to the highest of the highs, with a sexcee lush and deliciously forward mid section.  :ksc75smile:

 

Who likes things that are as flat as a cardboard am i right??? :ph34r:

 

Oh so to answer his question the "flattest" gears i have heard/ owned so far would probably be the Beyer DT250 250ohms, the VSonic VC02 and the Brainwavz Deltas. i would say they are more "balanced" than "flat" though so....

 

Yep, I emailed a few people I thought shared similar impressions to mine about iems and asked them the same thing. I'm trying to get a sense of what other neutral iems I might be into, and to learn what's out there i may want to try even if I wouldn't necessarily think I'd like them based on graphs. I'm a graph-head, I admit it. But I'm not closed minded enough to not try or like something that isn't graphed as flat, especially since there are many graphing standards. In fact, I think the ostry sounds superb, and that doesn't graph flat. So my research continues! :-)

 

So far SGS and vwinter are the only ones that had a good answer ;) hehe


Edited by luisdent - 7/3/14 at 9:59pm
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Yep, I emailed a few people I thought shared similar impressions to mine about iems and asked them the same thing. I'm trying to get a sense of what other neutral iems I might be into, and to learn what's out there i may want to try even if I wouldn't necessarily think I'd like them based on graphs. I'm a graph-head, I admit it. But I'm not closed minded enough to not try or like something that isn't graphed as flat, especially since there are many graphing standards. In fact, I think the ostry sounds superb, and that doesn't graph flat. So my research continues! :-)

 

So far SGS and vwinter are the only ones that had a good answer ;) hehe

^

What they say what they say, tell me now!!! :basshead:

... you know as well as i do they didn't top my answer. : P


Edited by sfwalcer - 7/3/14 at 10:14pm
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

Yep, I emailed a few people I thought shared similar impressions to mine about iems and asked them the same thing. I'm trying to get a sense of what other neutral iems I might be into, and to learn what's out there i may want to try even if I wouldn't necessarily think I'd like them based on graphs. I'm a graph-head, I admit it. But I'm not closed minded enough to not try or like something that isn't graphed as flat, especially since there are many graphing standards. In fact, I think the ostry sounds superb, and that doesn't graph flat. So my research continues! :-)

 

So far SGS and vwinter are the only ones that had a good answer ;) hehe

^

What they say what they say, tell me now!!! :basshead:

 

Well you did answer on the thread I suppose, but you never messaged me a nice detailed response. ;) From you sfwalcer, I expect greatness! You're not just some audio hooligan are you? ;) Now go, compose a thoughtful reply. hahaha j/k I'll accept your dt series response ;)

post #3300 of 4283

If anyone is looking to seel a set of these Tenore's don't hesitate to shoot me a PM. I need a set for August and buying from Japan is questionable is it's fast arrival.

 

Thanks!

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