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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 70% (145)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 29% (61)
    Carbo Basso
206 Total Votes  
post #3151 of 4459

$50 is quite enough to make a high quality product. don't blame the price. It is already 3 years I own visang vs-r02 and no any kind of problems till now. And I am sure it will last another 3 years if not more. QC of zero-audio is a real problem for the company. This will keep me away from buying a product from them again.

post #3152 of 4459
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

If very much air is escaping the strain relief, then It will have a noticeable effect on audio. No way around it. The bass on my mh1 that luisdent recabled and put super glue in the strain relief is substantially different in bass from any other mh1 I've heard.

The question becomes how much air volume is involved?

The variation in cable length and Y split is utterly shameful regardless of price. I love the Tenore SQ but defending shoddy QC just isn't reasonably IMO.

As to the Kc06. Really liked that iem but I did not hear it anything close to a neutralish reference. Too much bass quantity and I actually found it even smoother through the mids, especially upper mids. Distortion guitars distinctly lacked bite. But vocals were oh so nice. The treble was too metallic sounding, and peaky in an absolute sense, for my tastes. Don't get me wrong, not horrible or unlistenable, just too much so for me to want to keep long term.

I'm curious if the strain relief is not sealed, if it is distinguishing between bassy and non-bassy.  Would this also have an affect on other frequencies ranges?  Anyway, mine changes over couple days, and possibly strain got loose.  I would not say it was bassy, but bass lightened considerably, and the mids degraded, with it becoming sibilant than initially.  Initially I recall it being very tight and smooth(but overly smooth).

post #3153 of 4459

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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

The variation in cable length and Y split is utterly shameful regardless of price. I love the Tenore SQ but defending shoddy QC just isn't reasonably IMO.
 

 

I am definitely not defending poor QC, i think they should fix those issues and fix them asap. That's what i meant when i said that they should learn from their mistakes. 

 

That doesn't mean i lost all respect for what they are trying to achieve soundwise though...

post #3154 of 4459
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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post


Oh not directed at you. Just addressing several topics without quoting. Speaking of quoting, it didn't copy your text above. Strange.
post #3155 of 4459
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Originally Posted by mochill View Post

So my pair has an air leak on the strain relief 😃

 

Just because you see a gap from the outside doesn't mean they leak. Sadly, it's not that easy... as they may still seal on the inside.

 

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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post
 

I don't think the issue are the strain reliefs or venting in general for that matter. In one of my pairs the cable wasn't properly glued to the Y splitter  and the strain reliefs were also a little loose. There is a lot of air circulating in the cable and the iem doesn't seal as easily as the other pair that doesn't have those issues. Bass levels are the same. My bet is on some kind of damping filter.

 

The observed differences are more in line with a venting rather than a filter issue imo, but I'm going to try the filter swap anyway.

post #3156 of 4459

Well, I feel a bit nervous now. I didn't thought that the QC were really an issue...we will see on August what happens when I receive my pair.

It's just that these earphones seemed like the best compromise of sound, fit, isolation and price :(

 

I guess that I'm going to be very careful with them, if they die before 1 year, my friends are going to make fun of me again, they still remind me that my Brainwavz M3 lasted only 4-5 months :angry_face:

post #3157 of 4459

From a friend:

 

Tenore vs. Fostex TE-05 vs. JVC FX-650 vs. Sony XBA-H1

 

So after putting the Zero Audio Tenores up against the Fostex TE-05, JVC FX650, and the Sony XBA H1, I can surely articulate that the Tenores are still the champions of this grouping. Now I'm not dismissing that these other IEM's are wonderful sounding and worth the price you pay, but for $60.00, a single dynamic shouldn't play in the same playing field as the $150 Fostex, $160 JVC, and $120 Sony hybrid. The Tenores, which gives up forwardness of the mids to both the TE-05 and FX650, make up for it with lushness and a note thickness that still delivers this airy presentation that makes listening to music not just fun but ENGAGING. The TE-05 and FX650 both have "louder" and more forward mids, but fall short of having any weightiness to the notes. The reference sound of the TE-05 does provide airy, clean delivery, but much like the RE-400, reveals mastering inadequacies without balancing the sound with the fun factor. The FX650 does have fun in the sound, and solidly delivered mids, but once again, against that lush, thick notation of the Tenores, loses out in detail retrieval and musicality. The FX650 does have better bass, or shall I say has a meatier bass, with far more sub bass presence, but the Tenores are no slouches when it comes to controlled bass, with a fun and lovely thud, where you hear the kick pronounced and engaging. Now the treble extension of the Tenores is a different beast. Not nearly as clear or sustained as the Pistons or the Sony H1, but most certainly holds it's own in presenting a very timbre accurate presentation, where the crash and hi hats have a natural and efficient decay. I'd say the decay and timbre are on par with the FX650, AND superior to the TE-05, H1, and Pistons in accuracy and naturalness.

 

Where I think the Tenores win out over the other two (or three if you include the Pistons), is when it comes to soundstage and sibilance. The Tenores have a wide wide soundstage, with beautiful imaging. There's a depth that's engaging, fun, curious, and most definitely can be considered 3D. The TE-05, though beautifully reference, fails to approach the Tenores in soundstage and imaging, and though there's little sibilance with the TE-05, and yes, Fostex are technically superior, they are not superior in presentation and musicality, and as such fall short of the Tenores magic. The hybrid H1, though well tuned and balanced, show too much sibilance in certain tracks, and have a bass quality and presentation that fails to achieve the mastery of the Tenores, plus they are V-shaped and lack the forward mids that make for musicality. The closest contender to the Tenores would be the JVc FX650, but i think soundstage again goes to the Tenores, the tenores are more comfortable to wear, provide superior isolation, even while the 650's utilize the amazing and what I feel are groundbreaking spiral dot tips. I used Spiral dot tips on all IEM's, and in my humble opinion, the Tenores creep past the JVC FX650 as the more musical, fun, and proficient IEM, while sharing some characteristics. The Tenores have better soundstage and fit, and that can be just as important as sound! Then the TE-05 comes in a close third, but loses out due to awful isolation, negligible fit, and the reference sound just isn't so much fun, though that sub bass thump sure can get a head bobbing!! Plus they are full of details details details! Then the H1 comes in a distance last. Fit is awful, due to the large housings, the bass is weak for a hybrid, and the highs can be sibilant. So for the money, if you're looking for a sturdy, comfortable, lightweight, engaging, fun, and technically proficient IEM that can tackle any genre of music with class and high performance, with wicked soundstage, the tenores win. 

post #3158 of 4459

I hate this thread.

post #3159 of 4459
Lol, join the team 😉... But they are wonderful such as the vsd3s 😃
post #3160 of 4459

I'm going to try some extra money and buy a pair of VSD3s too, as "backup" or at least, to have something differen

post #3161 of 4459
All of the previous talks about this sound signature, and comparisons between the tenore and kc06, you guys should throw the Soundmagic e30 into the mix. The e30 is a iem that has elements of both.

Don't believe me? Give them a try. It sounds like a kc06 with the sub bass of the tenore. Also has a better fit than both of them, plus a cinch cable.

PS- they can be had on eBay for around $25 shipped.
Edited by Hisoundfi - 6/26/14 at 12:11pm
post #3162 of 4459

Well, I removed the grills from my bassy pair of Tenores and there are no filters behind them:

 

 

(Hmm, I vaguely remember people saying they removed the filters. So, what did they remove, just the grills? These are just for protection and do nothing to the sound)

 

Anyway, this obviously rules out a filter / damper issue, no?

post #3163 of 4459
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

Well, I removed the grills from my bassy pair of Tenores and there are no filters behind them:

 

 

(Hmm, I vaguely remember people saying they removed the filters. So, what did they remove, just the grills? These are just for protection and do nothing to the sound)

 

Anyway, this obviously rules out a filter / damper issue, no?

I tried removing mine as well and made the same discovery as you. I think that the grill was what were removed by others. To my ears I could't hear any differece at all..............

post #3164 of 4459

For the next test I covered the Tenores' entire rear ends with blu-tack, effectively sealing them off:

 

 

As a result, sound signature became very similar (though not quite identical) to the less bassy pairs.

 

I'd say it seems very likely that we're indeed dealing with a venting issue.

post #3165 of 4459
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

Well, I removed the grills from my bassy pair of Tenores and there are no filters behind them:




(Hmm, I vaguely remember people saying they removed the filters. So, what did they remove, just the grills? These are just for protection and do nothing to the sound)

Anyway, this obviously rules out a filter / damper issue, no?

Damn. So it's not the filter, not the magnets, not the cord length, and not the bass vent. Could still be the strain relief. Anyone down to glue up their bassy pair?

Thanks for doing that James. I'm wondering now just wtf could be behind my bass-light pair. Maybe they're setting the drivers incorrectly? Like too close or too far off target? Someday there will be another near perfect iem with great build quality...

Edit: Posted too late, James already performed the experiment. Everyone with a bassy pair bust out the glue!!
Edited by gnarlsagan - 6/26/14 at 1:32pm
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