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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 69% (124)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 30% (54)
    Carbo Basso
178 Total Votes  
post #2761 of 4245
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Originally Posted by roy_jones View Post

I don't know, man. Mochill is one of the most respected head-fiers around, so if he suggests something, chances are you should do it! 

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Mochill recommends taking the filter out of every iem he comments on.

If this was an automobile forum he would suggest taking the air and oil filter out of cars to improve the sound of them lol

Jk kind of, not really.

Just messing with you mochill😄😁😊😉☺😜😝😋😚🙌😓😪😏
post #2762 of 4245

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post #2763 of 4245
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

Ymmv, but I know these Philips tips very well and I'd say with that kind of fit, they'll allow for a tiny amount of leakage. You may not even notice it, but it accounts for the difference in bass.

 

The front vent mod on the stock tips will have a similar effect on bass and soundstage, while retaining a deeper and more secure fit. JM2C, you should try it sometime.

 

I second that. Give j444 a try with the stock medium tips and compare it to the philips flanges. Cable over ear should also ensure a more secure fit. If not for us, then do it for science and don't forget to report back!

post #2764 of 4245
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

Ymmv, but I know these Philips tips very well and I'd say with that kind of fit, they'll allow for a tiny amount of leakage. You may not even notice it, but it accounts for the difference in bass.

The front vent mod on the stock tips will have a similar effect on bass and soundstage, while retaining a deeper and more secure fit. JM2C, you should try it sometime.

I actually sent him those tips without even trying them first lol. I'll definitely give them a shot when I get them back. I do think that tip fit around the outer canal varies so much between people though. It's helpful if you find someone with similar ear architecture to compare with, but ones person's perfect fit is another's wedgie.

It's pretty awesome finding that one random tip that seals perfectly at the ideal depth. Man I get goosebumps just thinking about it lol.
post #2765 of 4245
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That's better!
post #2768 of 4245
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

Ymmv, but I know these Philips tips very well and I'd say with that kind of fit, they'll allow for a tiny amount of leakage. You may not even notice it, but it accounts for the difference in bass.

 

The front vent mod on the stock tips will have a similar effect on bass and soundstage, while retaining a deeper and more secure fit. JM2C, you should try it sometime.

Looking at the picture, it doesn't look to be sealed very well.  It looked folded, and if folded, it opens up sections for bass leakage.  I also don't like the way it hangs down, it makes the fit angle awkward for bad fit.  This is why lots of iems makers go over ear.

 

I thought that at first, and you do have to make sure to seal them as they are very shallow, but I judge the seal not just by feel but by sound isolation. And these are isolating just as much sound and I sense no leakage. So I believe they are fitting seal and normal. But because of the slightly different design in the tips they appear to make a difference for me. They also seem like thinner silicon material slightly. Maybe this accounts for something?

 

As for comfort, I feel no difference there either. For me, these things are so light, as long as the tips are in securely they could be sticking any which way and they feel fine.  :-P I still prefer over ear anyway though, because it reduces the cable noise the most.

 

Here is how I normally wear them with any tips:

 

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You can see the tip does flex a bit on the outer edge, but this isn't affecting the seal at all. It is making full contact where it meets my canal o.k.


Edited by luisdent - 6/15/14 at 6:08pm
post #2769 of 4245

^ They're not only thinner (resulting in less support), but also less rubbery than most other tips and very smooth. Before I discovered the front vent mod, I've used these tips regularly when I wanted a leaky seal.

 

The front vent mod doesn't impact isolation that much either and I probably couldn't tell without looking whether the stripes are there or not. I won't bug you to try it if you don't want to, but if you do you'll likely find out by implication that the Philips tips must be ever so slightly leaky. In any case, the effect on bass and soundstage is pretty much the same.

post #2770 of 4245
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

^ They're not only thinner (resulting in less support), but also less rubbery than most other tips and very smooth. Before I discovered the front vent mod, I've used these tips regularly when I wanted a leaky seal.

 

The front vent mod doesn't impact isolation that much either and I probably couldn't tell without looking whether the stripes are there or not. I won't bug you to try it if you don't want to, but if you do you'll likely find out by implication that the Philips tips must be ever so slightly leaky. In any case, the effect on bass and soundstage is pretty much the same.

 

I'm not saying it isn't possible, but I'm not hearing any less isolation than the stock tips. So if they are leaking somehow which is contributing to the sound i'm getting, it seems consistent and for the better. What is the vent mod? I keep hearing about it but I think I missed the original post. Is it just covering the small hole on the angled top-back section or something?

post #2771 of 4245
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

I'm not saying it isn't possible, but I'm not hearing any less isolation than the stock tips. So if they are leaking somehow which is contributing to the sound i'm getting, it seems consistent and for the better. What is the vent mod? I keep hearing about it but I think I missed the original post. Is it just covering the small hole on the angled top-back section or something?

 

This is the vent mod:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/703874/jvc-ha-fx850-iem-woody/105#post_10347472

post #2772 of 4245
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

 

I'm not saying it isn't possible, but I'm not hearing any less isolation than the stock tips. So if they are leaking somehow which is contributing to the sound i'm getting, it seems consistent and for the better. What is the vent mod? I keep hearing about it but I think I missed the original post. Is it just covering the small hole on the angled top-back section or something?

This is the vent mod:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/703874/jvc-ha-fx850-iem-woody/105#post_10347472
I'll try that and compare the results. However i think i can say i'm getting no leakage in terms of air seeping in through a crack or bend, because when i try to pull the tips out they have a very strong suction like any other tips i use. I can pull the housing out so that the tip is causing a good deal of suction and hold it like that, and the tips don't lose pressure.

Also if i wear them really deep, they have more bass, just like the stocks tips do when deeper. However, the bass with the deep fit is less than the bass with the stock tip's deep fit. By essentially the same amount of difference as the shallow phillips vs shallow stock tips.

Did that all make sense? Lol
post #2773 of 4245
As a long time lurker on this forum, I'd like to thank everyone for their recommendations on the tenore. They're an amazing pair of IEMs for the price, and sound comparable to or better than my other way more expensive IEMs.

I have 2 pairs of tenores, one of which I believe to be reference, and one which is bass heavy. My first pair I received were bass heavy (after comparing to impressions on this thread and my own pair of er4s) so I duly ordered another pair from amazon japan (which was easy since I'm based here). The 2nd pair I received has a much more balanced low end and they sound amazing to me with sony hybrid tips.

I read something regarding wire lengths earlier, and after comparing both pairs, the bass heavy pair has a wire length that is about 3cm longer than the reference pair. This difference is probably due to manufacturing variations from batch to batch, which might explain the variations in bass levels.

That being said, both pairs still sound darn good and I will be keeping both.
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This is bizarre.  I was thinking that the longer ones (around 49.5"-50") were the good Tenores because Shotgunshane and I have good ones at the length and that the shorter ones (44"-47") were the bad ones.

 

Since your longer one is the bad one, perhaps there is no correlation between cable length and good/bad tenores.

post #2775 of 4245
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Originally Posted by qzepteltd View Post

As a long time lurker on this forum, I'd like to thank everyone for their recommendations on the tenore. They're an amazing pair of IEMs for the price, and sound comparable to or better than my other way more expensive IEMs.

I have 2 pairs of tenores, one of which I believe to be reference, and one which is bass heavy. My first pair I received were bass heavy (after comparing to impressions on this thread and my own pair of er4s) so I duly ordered another pair from amazon japan (which was easy since I'm based here). The 2nd pair I received has a much more balanced low end and they sound amazing to me with sony hybrid tips.

I read something regarding wire lengths earlier, and after comparing both pairs, the bass heavy pair has a wire length that is about 3cm longer than the reference pair. This difference is probably due to manufacturing variations from batch to batch, which might explain the variations in bass levels.

That being said, both pairs still sound darn good and I will be keeping both.

 

Yes, i know that feeling, i was as impressed as you are. Price always molds expectations to some extend so i simply wasn't prepared for how good these sound. With that said, quality control is a very serious issue. It's hard to recommend an iem that can have a drastically different sound signature than intended and ordering two or three pairs to make sure you get a good one is unacceptable. Zero Audio is exceptional with the tuning, but they'd better get their act together with their commercial division. The Tenore is so cheap they could easily bump the price a little so that they can afford to check and get rid of (or repair) bad sets before they reach the consumer.

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