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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 69% (131)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 30% (57)
    Carbo Basso
188 Total Votes  
post #2671 of 4334
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post


Small torso? The cable is 50" from housing to bend of RA connector. I'd have to guess you're taller than average.

 

50"??  Now I'm even more curious about the variations.. Mine are barely 44". 

 

Edit: I'm not tall, I just have short legs.


Edited by ebrian - 6/13/14 at 6:53am
post #2672 of 4334
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Originally Posted by ebrian View Post

50"??  Now I'm even more curious about the variations.. Mine are barely 44". 

Edit: I'm not tall, I just have short legs.

I just double checked to be sure- it's 50". 44 would be cutting it close for pants pocket. Maybe some others will measure theirs.
post #2673 of 4334
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post


Pretty much my thoughts. :-P

 

I haven't had the chance to listen to the er4s but after looking at its frequency response i have to agree with you 2. Test tones show very similar behavior minus the downward slope at the bass region. They even have the same peak at around 2.4khz.

 

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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

You may have got one of the subbass-enhanced pairs.

 

Try the mod I linked above, it ensures a small amount of leakage. Similar to a shallow fit, but without the hassle of having to search for the sweet spot.

 

My sub-bass is fine and i still prefer them with your mod. It adds more depth to the soundstage and the imaging feels more "right". While the seal with your mod isn't airtight, isolation is still fine with a relatively deep insertion and of course there is no driver flex which is an added bonus.


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/13/14 at 7:33am
post #2674 of 4334
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post


I just double checked to be sure- it's 50". 44 would be cutting it close for pants pocket. Maybe some others will measure theirs.


We may finally have a way to distinguish between the different makes of the Tenore!.  Are yours bassy?

post #2675 of 4334
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Originally Posted by ebrian View Post
 


We may finally have a way to distinguish between the different makes of the Tenore!.  Are yours bassy?

 

My pair is exactly 120cm -> ~47" (housing cable entry to jack entry)

post #2676 of 4334
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Originally Posted by Samehada View Post
 

 

My pair is exactly 120cm -> ~47" (housing cable entry to jack entry)

Okay, I'll admit I was using my pinky-to-thumb way of measuring the length (~8 inches).  I've now measured mine twice with a wooden ruler I found at work, and they are 120cm like you said.  I guess due to parallax and me not stretching my hand open enough, I lost  a bit.  Sorry.

 

Anyway, there's no way to account for the 3" difference from SGS' cable no matter how much I stretch these things. 

 

Are yours bass-heavy? 
 

post #2677 of 4334

 Bass perception varies from person to person. A more objective way to test it is to go here:

http://www.audiocheck.net/audiofrequencysignalgenerator_index.php

get some tones from 20hz to 300-400hz and test for bass lift. If one also wants to check if his pair's low mids are recessed he should get tones up to 800hz. 


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/13/14 at 9:17am
post #2678 of 4334
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

So how about the ASG-2? :evil:

 

Lol. James asking the hard hitting questions.

 

I honestly don't know, since my G2 isn't here with me. But given how close the G2 and H3 are, I wouldn't be surprised if the Tenore was as good as the G2 in most aspects.

post #2679 of 4334
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Originally Posted by Hisoundfi View Post

The recessed high bass/low mids on the tenore was something I noticed from the first time I listened to them. What's funny is that the kc06 is just the opposite with the high bass/low mids having a spike and causing them to almost sound muffled when there was a lot of different sounds or volume of noise playing in this range. And opposite of the tenore, they have very little sub bass.

The tenore masks it well because of sub bass, but if I could make a love child of the kc06 and tenore that had a balance between the two in the low end, it would be magnificent.

Maybe that's the Singolo :)

post #2680 of 4334
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

I got a hold of two more sets of tenores. I must have been a lucky man getting four reference sets myself. One of the new sets is drastically different in bass response. More details to come. Need to do more listening. Needless to say, all the conversation about whether they're warm or tight or this or that might completely be inconsistent if you have a set as varied as one that I got to compare.

 

Not that the comparison are irrelevant, but I can absolutely see why one person would think they're very warm and one think they're neutral to the bone. So just keep that in mind. One person's tenore might not sound like yours in the bass region. As far as I can tell all 6 sets I have are almost identical in the mids and treble though. but 400hz down is where i'm noticing the change.

Were all 6 from the same seller?  If so, that's bizarre!

post #2681 of 4334
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Originally Posted by Francisk View Post
 

Mine has no channel imbalance and driver flex problem. I find that the only way I can get the best sound out of my Tenore is by very shallow insertion using the stock medium tips By that I mean really shallow insertion...even shallower than the Phonaks...because moving it just slightly inside makes the sound change quite drastically. It's like I have to find the sweet spot every time I'm inserting the Tenore into my ears. Deep insertion completely destroys the sound. Anybody experiencing this? Hmm...I certainly will take the 400Hz down difference in one of Luisdent's Tenore into consideration too.

Try meelectronics m6 biflange.  It's automatic shallow insertion due to the size and length of the tip.  Sennheiser biflange and hifiman biflange may work also.

post #2682 of 4334
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

You may have got one of the subbass-enhanced pairs.

 

Try the mod I linked above, it ensures a small amount of leakage. Similar to a shallow fit, but without the hassle of having to search for the sweet spot.

Thanks james444, looks like I'm having one of those subbass-enhanced one. I'll definitely try out the mod as soon as I get some time.

post #2683 of 4334
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Originally Posted by Grayson73 View Post
 

Try meelectronics m6 biflange.  It's automatic shallow insertion due to the size and length of the tip.  Sennheiser biflange and hifiman biflange may work also.

Thanks for the tips Grayson73. I have some Sony hybrid, Phonak, stock MH1, Etymotic, Vsonic and Fischer Audio tips. The closest I have to the Meelec tips are my Fischer Audio biflange tips. I'll give those a try as soon as I get sometime off.

post #2684 of 4334
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Originally Posted by Francisk View Post
 

Thanks james444, looks like I'm having one of those subbass-enhanced one. I'll definitely try out the mod as soon as I get some time.

 

Another, perhaps more permanent, mod you could try is to take off the filter on the end of the barrel. If you scratch at the edges with a pin you should be able to get it off with minimal damage. Mochill has already done it. I'm not sure whether or not there is any foam to adjust inside, but if there is, that might explain the unit variation.

post #2685 of 4334
Thanks for the filter removal info Gnarlsagan. Looks like I have a lot of work to do with all the tips from James444, Grayson73 and you. Btw Gnarlsagan, do I remove the foam filter or adjust it? What does the foam filter on the proper Tenore look like compared to the bassy Tenore? I'm not giving up on my Tenore yet, thanks to all your support. I'm truly looking forward to hear the wonderful sound that you guys are hearing on your proper Tenore.
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