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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 70% (131)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 29% (56)
    Carbo Basso
187 Total Votes  
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How does insertion depth affect the sound?

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Originally Posted by higbvuyb View Post
 

How does insertion depth affect the sound?

Yes, I'm curious about this too. And is there a distortion graph link somewhere?

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I just linked a site that shows distortion and it's among the lowest the user has rated.

As for insertion depth, doesn't sound picky about this at all, it's small size allows the proper depth any time and no need to go too deep. It's like the MH1 in this regard, same acoustics
post #1175 of 4283

I read ebrian's comparison with the kc06. Surprised me that the bass of tenore is bleeding into the mids. Anyone else experienced this? I never read such statement before and I never experienced this on my set.

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Mids are clear of midbass presence. If it was told about mh1c than I would agree. But this not about tenores for sure.

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Frankly I don't see how that would be even possible.

I opened my backup pair to send to a friend to hear and tried going thru all my tips again. It's almost impervious to tip change. I'm actually getting as much air on the stock tips as my others. Most changes are to sub bass levels based on seal quality. The s200 having the least bass due to the porous nature of that particular foam.
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Originally Posted by avlad View Post
 

I read ebrian's comparison with the kc06. Surprised me that the bass of tenore is bleeding into the mids. Anyone else experienced this? I never read such statement before and I never experienced this on my set.


The review I wrote highlights the differences I noticed while listening to Tenore and recalling from memory what same songs sounded like with KC06.  It was written on day that I'd left my KC06 at home and was listening to Tenore all day and not experiencing the same kind of magic I felt while listening with KC06 to the same playlist. 

 

When I say the mids/highs sound recessed or overpowered by the bass, it because the KC06 mids/highs are more forward and present.  While using KC06, I could close my eyes and imagine Mariah literally sitting in my lap and serenading me.  With Tenore, just not the case.  Keep in mind I'm not talking about soundstage, but the experience is more like she's walking back towards the stage, or she's gone over a few rows and is serenading a different lucky bastard.  So it's not like I'm saying that mids/highs are rolled off or hollow sounding for Tenore.  It's just that by comparison to KC06, they're taking a back seat to the bass/lows. 

 

I think you mentioned preferring stocks over hybrids -- I found the same thing as well; stocks don't sound great, but hybrids sound worse.  FYI I bought these used and I have no idea how much burn-in they've received.  Edit: seller says 50 hours burn in and 25 hours used.  I've used another ~12 hours myself. 


Edited by ebrian - 5/9/14 at 10:37am
post #1179 of 4283
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

Frankly I don't see how that would be even possible.

I opened my backup pair to send to a friend to hear and tried going thru all my tips again. It's almost impervious to tip change. I'm actually getting as much air on the stock tips as my others. Most changes are to sub bass levels based on seal quality. The s200 having the least bass due to the porous nature of that particular foam.

I have quite a large collection of tips both wide and narrow bore from the many different IEM's that have come and gone through my years of searching for the "perfect" IEM. I have tried most of them with my Tenore's, and, to be honest, I find that there is not much difference in air or SQ between them when used with a shallow insertion, just enough to get a good seal but not deeply into my ear canal.

The only tip that I found that changes the SQ significantly is the Klipsch double flange oval gels. These tips insert quite deeply into my ear canals, similar to the depth of Ety's and greatly increase the amplitude of the bass, almost to the level of the Basso. This is welcome for low-level listening but the downside is that they are very difficult to remove, as they are seated deeply enough that it is hard to grasp them without pulling on the cable. Insertion is much easier, as one can just press them in with a fingertip.

Maybe I will try the thread and bead trick that I used with my RE-600's, as the Tenore's are about as difficult to remove from deep insertion as are the 600"s.
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I noticed a big difference in airyness between Sony Hybrid light blue tip and Meelectronics double flange M6 tip.  I wonder if it's because of the bore or nozzle being longer.  I'll have to try other tips, but my guess is that all single tips will sound similar to the Sony hybrid.

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I tried the Meelec. tips that I have but everytime I take the earphones out, the tips stay in my ears.  I think I have the wrong ones.  Tried some other tips like the UE tips since it has a wider bore but didn't improve on the sound much over the hybrids.  Sticking with the hybrids still.

 

I had loaned the KC06 for a couple of weeks and just got them back yesterday so I decided to another comparison with the Tenore.  I'lll have to say that the KC06 gave me that "wow" factor initially but the Tenore's are better tuned.  Tenore's sound silky smooth all around while the KC06 sounds more grainy or not as refined especially in the midrange and treble region.  I think the Tenore's are the benchmark in the budget region still.

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Originally Posted by DannyBai View Post
 

I tried the Meelec. tips that I have but everytime I take the earphones out, the tips stay in my ears.  I think I have the wrong ones.  Tried some other tips like the UE tips since it has a wider bore but didn't improve on the sound much over the hybrids.  Sticking with the hybrids still.

 

I had loaned the KC06 for a couple of weeks and just got them back yesterday so I decided to another comparison with the Tenore.  I'lll have to say that the KC06 gave me that "wow" factor initially but the Tenore's are better tuned.  Tenore's sound silky smooth all around while the KC06 sounds more grainy or not as refined especially in the midrange and treble region.  I think the Tenore's are the benchmark in the budget region still.

 

I think reading your post and thinking back on my comparison has led me to believe that a lot has to do with brain burn-in.  I spent two week listening to KC06, and expected good things from Tenore only to be disappointed.  None of the magic or sparkle that KC06 had.  For you, seems the opposite has happened.  I'm not exactly sure how to A/B iems while factoring brain-burn-in.

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Originally Posted by DannyBai View Post
 

I tried the Meelec. tips that I have but everytime I take the earphones out, the tips stay in my ears.  I think I have the wrong ones.  Tried some other tips like the UE tips since it has a wider bore but didn't improve on the sound much over the hybrids.  Sticking with the hybrids still.

 

I had loaned the KC06 for a couple of weeks and just got them back yesterday so I decided to another comparison with the Tenore.  I'lll have to say that the KC06 gave me that "wow" factor initially but the Tenore's are better tuned.  Tenore's sound silky smooth all around while the KC06 sounds more grainy or not as refined especially in the midrange and treble region.  I think the Tenore's are the benchmark in the budget region still.

Meelec M6 double flange definitely don't grip the Tenore well, so they easily fall off.  I'm willing to live with that since they sound so good.  How did they sound to you?

 

You're right that Meelec has multiple double flange tips.  The ones I'm using are the ones for S6, M6, M6P, A161P, A151.

 

It's not the ones for M2, M9, M11+, M16, M21, M31, R1, N8, N9, SP51

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Just cut the stem out if a hybrid or mh1 tip that you will never use. Then use that stem as an adapter for those loose fitting tips.
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I think reading your post and thinking back on my comparison has led me to believe that a lot has to do with brain burn-in.  I spent two week listening to KC06, and expected good things from Tenore only to be disappointed.  None of the magic or sparkle that KC06 had.  For you, seems the opposite has happened.  I'm not exactly sure how to A/B iems while factoring brain-burn-in.

Yeah I think brain burn has quite a bit to do with it.  More a/b'ing I think helps to figure out the differences.  I really like both and don't favor one or the other but I can hear why some are preferring the Tenore on a more technical level.  

 

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Originally Posted by Grayson73 View Post
 

Meelec M6 double flange definitely don't grip the Tenore well, so they easily fall off.  I'm willing to live with that since they sound so good.  How did they sound to you?

 

You're right that Meelec has multiple double flange tips.  The ones I'm using are the ones for S6, M6, M6P, A161P, A151.

 

It's not the ones for M2, M9, M11+, M16, M21, M31, R1, N8, N9, SP51

I can't remember which models it's for but it's the charcoal colored dual flange I have.  The sound did seem to open up more.  More treble, bass calmed down and more sub-bass.  

 

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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

Just cut the stem out if a hybrid or mh1 tip that you will never use. Then use that stem as an adapter for those loose fitting tips.

Thanks for this, I'll do this mod.  

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