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post #391 of 5476

Yeah guys... customs are such a gamble as to if they fit your preference tweaks or not. If you don't love them, you're stuck. This is assuming they fit you right and you don't have to go back and forth getting them refit, or even worse, back to the audiologist. And overseas (even CONUS) shipping is costly and takes so much time. 

 

Then, you will inevitable grow out of them at some point. 

 

The top universals are just as good if not better. They maintain their resale value if you choose to move on to something else. And you never outgrow them. Plus, you have the option of tip-rolling to tweak the sound to your preference if its close to what you like. To me it's a no-brainer. I wish I could recover the money I spent on customs. An expensive lesson. 

 

Unless you need superb isolation in a portable package, I see no use for customs. Some argue comfort. But I found nothing comfortable about shoving giant pieces of acrylic up your ears. Universals have less touch-points, and to me are much more comfortable. 

 

Customs used to be the best option for sound quality. That's not the case anymore. The IEM landscape has changed, and is changing. There's still that old-school idea that customs are the top rung - and that's just not true anymore. 


Edited by SoundFreaq - 6/6/13 at 9:56am
post #392 of 5476
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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

Yeah guys... customs are such a gamble as to if they fit your preference tweaks or not. If you don't love them, you're stuck. This is assuming they fit you right and you don't have to go back and forth getting them refit, or even worse, back to the audiologist. And overseas (even CONUS) shipping is costly and takes so much time. 

 

Then, you will inevitable grow out of them at some point. 

 

The top universals are just as good if not better. They maintain their resale value if you choose to move on to something else. And you never outgrow them. Plus, you have the option of tip-rolling to tweak the sound to your preference if its close to what you like. To me it's a no-brainer. I wish I could recover the money I spent on customs. An expensive lesson. 

 

Unless you need superb isolation in a portable package, I see no use for customs. Some argue comfort. But I found nothing comfortable about shoving giant pieces of acrylic up your ears. Universals have less touch-points, and to me are much more comfortable. 

 

Customs used to be the best option for sound quality. That's not the case anymore. The IEM landscape has changed, and is changing. There's still that old-school idea that customs are the top rung - and that's just not true anymore. 

 

Well, the user we're talking to here has heard the IEM he wants the custom version of.  Of course, there is a chance the actual sound will be different.  He enjoys the universal version of the IEM and wishes to go custom.  He was looking for acrylic tips though.  Others have told him to just get the custom (which IMO might be a bit expensive :p).

post #393 of 5476

If you like the universal sound, what's to be gained by going custom? Again, there's a gamble the sound might change. Just because it's custom doesn't mean it will be better. If there are universal and custom versions of the same offering, it makes no sense to me to go custom unless there is a guaranteed "sonic improvement," which is probably more preference than anything. 

post #394 of 5476
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Thank god! Don't join the dark side! I came from customs! After rehab, I see the truth. I can imagine you will only be disappointed in customs after hearing so many phenomenal IEMs. Then, you're stuck with them! Sure hope they fit you right!

LOL.

I don't view customs as bad. It's just that there is a risk of sound disappointment, fit issues, and low resale value. Though, if you're sure it's your preferred sound, and you've demoed other iems, then I guess it can be great.

Kinda like marriage.
post #395 of 5476
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Kinda like marriage.

 

That's hilarious. After divorce your wife will definitely have very low resale value. 

 

But I would think of customs almost like a mail-order bride....

post #396 of 5476
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After divorce your wife will definitely have very low resale value. 

 

 

 

 

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post #397 of 5476
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That's hilarious. After divorce your wife will definitely have very low resale value. 

But I would think of customs almost like a mail-order bride....

LOL! I'll be sure to put that into my proposal.
post #398 of 5476

Now, much thanks to Eke, it's my turn to evaluate the ASG-2 and the 1plus2 together. 

 

I think at the end of the day, Eke preferred his ASG-2, which he owns. So, I am interested to see if owner-bias comes into play here. I own the 1plus2. Am I predisposed to enjoy what I have spent my hard-earned money on?

 

Eke and I have similar tastes. The Final Audio Design line is where we started our discussions. Through many PMs, I have come to trust eke, and his ears. He is partly responsible for my purchase of the Piano Forte IX, and the FI-BA-SS.

 

So here goes. 

 

My setup I'll use to evaluate: Macbook Air > WireWorld Violet USB > CLAS -dB 2v version > ALO mini-to-mini > RSA P-51 Mustang

post #399 of 5476
^do you by any chance have an iPhone 4 you could include? Lol.
post #400 of 5476
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

Now, much thanks to Eke, it's my turn to evaluate the ASG-2 and the 1plus2 together. 

 

I think at the end of the day, Eke preferred his ASG-2, which he owns. So, I am interested to see if owner-bias comes into play here. I own the 1plus2. Am I predisposed to enjoy what I have spent my hard-earned money on?

 

Eke and I have similar tastes. The Final Audio Design line is where we started our discussions. Through many PMs, I have come to trust eke, and his ears. He is partly responsible for my purchase of the Piano Forte IX, and the FI-BA-SS.

 

So here goes. 

 

My setup I'll use to evaluate: Macbook Air > WireWorld Violet USB > CLAS -dB 2v version > ALO mini-to-mini > RSA P-51 Mustang

 

It's great to increase the number of people on HF who've heard the ASG-2. Excitedly looking forward to your thoughts.

 

 

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^do you by any chance have an iPhone 4 you could include? Lol.

 

That's what I used the majority of the time I was comparing them. The differences from my other sources were not big enough to warrant an extra section.

post #401 of 5476
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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

Now, much thanks to Eke, it's my turn to evaluate the ASG-2 and the 1plus2 together. 

I think at the end of the day, Eke preferred his ASG-2, which he owns. So, I am interested to see if owner-bias comes into play here. I own the 1plus2. Am I predisposed to enjoy what I have spent my hard-earned money on?

Eke and I have similar tastes. The Final Audio Design line is where we started our discussions. Through many PMs, I have come to trust eke, and his ears. He is partly responsible for my purchase of the Piano Forte IX, and the FI-BA-SS.

So here goes. 

My setup I'll use to evaluate: Macbook Air > WireWorld Violet USB > CLAS -dB 2v version > ALO mini-to-mini > RSA P-51 Mustang

Somehow I'm thinking the 1Plus2 with upgraded cables may not tickle your fancy then smily_headphones1.gif
post #402 of 5476
Did you test out the EQ on the i4(stock one)? Anything you liked eke?

^Maybe for specific songs?
post #403 of 5476
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Did you test out the EQ on the i4(stock one)? Anything you liked eke?

^Maybe for specific songs?

 

No, I don't like EQ typically.

post #404 of 5476

Well first, lets just get this out of the way: The ASG-2 (G-2) ergonomics, comfort, and cable trounce all over the 1plus2 (1p2). Not that the 1p2 is uncomfortable by any means, but the G-2 is SO comfortable. Reminds me of Westone and how they just slip in nice and tight and you don't worry about them. Part of the 1p2 problem is the unwieldy cable. It did not bother me that much until the G-2 reminded me that cable flex can be easy to deal with. I have to occasionally press my 1p2 in to my ears to maintain a secure fit. With the same Ortofon tips on the G-2, maintaining fit/seal is never a distracting thought when I am concentrating on the music. 

 

The Sound?

I listened to some ambient, warm, electronic music (Tycho, Dive)

I listened to a Joshua Bell Violin/Piano Concerto

I listened to some Norah Jones, Regina Spektor, Adele, and Bjork for some vocals. 

I listened to some brightly produced experimental music (Tineidae)

 

Among other stuff. 

 

In a nutshell: I think the 1p2 is cleaner and clearer. It has more presence and detail up top. The 1p2 mids are a tad more recessed than the G-2, as is the bass. The 1p2 has just the right amount of bass for me. I thought the G-2 just a tad much for my tastes. It was clean, plump, and robust, no doubt, very good quality, but a bit too present. 

 

More on bass - the 1p2 has less of it. But I feel it's more liquid and textured, not as plump. The 1p2 is very agile, and subtle at times with its bass. Like a nimble Tiger cub, growing into a young adult and hitting its hunting prime. The G-2 is the older Tiger. Bigger, established. But the younger doesn't yet know that it's faster, more agile and nimble. The G-2 is robust and dynamic. The 1p2 is liquid and textured, and still very present, but not as much as the G-2. 

 

The midrange on both are very different, both good. The G-2's midrange is definitely thicker, richer, more colored as well as more present. Norah Jones sounds warm and inviting, begging you to open up a bottle of red with her. The vocals on the 1p2 borderline on sibilant, which can be a tad distracting. It's not too bad. I'm sensitive to it, and I've heard much, much worse. It's something I can deal with. But the vocals on the 1p2 are so clean and clear and transparent. You get drawn into the purity of her voice, like sipping the purity of freshly melted water from glacier runoff. It's so clean, clear, refreshing - pure. 

 

Which mids do I like better? Man, that's tough. Honestly I'd like it right in the middle of the two. But I just recently got out of a relationship with a Westone ES5 that I ended up not being able to stand due to its so richly colored mids, they exuded congestion to me. Which is funny because I'm a Final Audio fan which can be very mid-centric... but they have an upper mid energy that keeps it clean. 

 

Right now, I pick the purest sip of water after a day of spirit-elevating hiking in the Galapagos, rather than a bottle of Cab with Norah. 

 

The high end is no contest to me. There's more detail, and presence, while possessing the quality to be able to be subtle and gentle, euphoric, and yet the ability to be very vivacious as well. Read Bright! With bright recordings, the 1p2 is WAY too much. Harsh. With the right recording the highs are sublime. Unfortunately a lot of the experimental music I like is brightly mastered, and I preferred and was grateful for the G-2 presentation for that music. But on great recordings, the high end lacked for me on the G-2. It lacked anything magical or special - It was just sorta there. 

 

Eke mentioned that when you go to the G-2 after 1p2 it sounds muddy and congested, and when you go to the 1p2 it sounds bright and tinny, until the brain settles in. I definitely get that. But the G-2 sounded muddier than the 1p2 sounded bright and tinny. It was more refreshing coming back to 1p2 after being bogged down with the G-2 to me. 

 

I think one of the biggest differences was imaging and soundstage. Even though the mids were more recessed on the 1p2, they had a 3-D magic to them, and sense of wrapping you in aural bliss that was missing on the G-2. To me, the 1p2 outclasses the G-2 in imaging and soundstage. Everything in the sonic landscape seems much more clear on the 1p2. 

 

I'm at the point in my journey were I have really gotten away from bass in my music, unless I want to bomb some EDM on occasion. To me, the 1p2 bass is perfect. I wish the 1p2 upper mid was a touch less hot, but I love the high end extension and clarity. Why I prefer the 1p2 right now is the soundstage. That is also a new-found love of mine. Previously I did not take to the HD800. Now, it shows much potential. 

 

This is all until I have to deal with the horrendous ergonomics of the 1p2. In a truly portable, on-the-go setup, that might be a deal breaker. I like portable gear because I can transport it easily. I rarely use gear actually on-the-go. 

 

This is just my initial 2 cents. 


Edited by SoundFreaq - 6/6/13 at 7:44pm
post #405 of 5476
Thread Starter 
Sweet! Thanks for the initial impressions. It seems they actually line up with mine, despite our differing preferences.

I'm just curious if you think they are in the same technical ballpark.
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