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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

I will place my order next week as my BA sadly died and I am looking for a replacement. So ofcourse the question is: Can you do more an in depth comparison with the 1Plus2 whenever you have the chance please? 

Sure, I can do the best I can giving you an idea, it would purely be my opinion only though.

They're both really quite different.

On a technical level 1Plus2 is superior to me, namely instrument separation, channel separation, accuracy and speed, it's very hard for anything I've heard personally to compete next to 1Plus2's pin point imaging, it's almost like listening to a laser cutter in theory, this isn't to say ASG-2 is bad because the separation is really decent to my ears, just not quite as edge cutting as Tralucents however, I do question how ASG-2 would perform if it wasn't handicapped by a stock cable, just how much of this extra precision, soundstage and separation is 1Plus2 taking advantage of using the revised silver/gold cable?

I ask myself and wonder what would happen if the tables were turned around/switched not giving 1Plus2 the upper advantage. 1Plus2 does have the wider stage it's not by huge amounts to these ears, they're similar in width using my sources (C3) while 1Plus2 has the better channel separation, it kind of divides into three obvious sections when listening left/middle/right, you can go where ever you want, while ASG-2 does have that it's not quite as obvious.

1Plus2 sound crisper/cooler leaning more towards ER4S tonality so of course they sound clearer and emit more clarity at lower volumes, it's easier to hear micro detail they're crisp/clean compared to ASG-2's warmth which need a little more volume to extract the detail. However, I find there's a trade off for this and I guess it could be an advantage or disadvantage depending how you look at it. While 1Plus2 has that crisper tonality (like ER4S) I feel this contributes towards early fatigue and ASG-2 being warmer has what I'd call a protection layer over the mid range. What that slight veil does is protect you from fatigue, protects your ears, this allows me to listen longer to ASG-2 where as I must use 1Plus2 in small doses, or at lower volumes. It's a ride, but how long can you hold onto the reins before tiring?

As for the bass and treble , I think 1Plus2 with it's detail and extension upstairs will be more suited to your preferences, especially considering your love for ER4S, you also won't be experiencing any mid-bass bloat from the Tralucents, while I tend to enjoy the slightly bloomed mid bass of ASG-2 feeling it forms the presentation I understand others might not, it's not something I have a personal preference for, more something I can see suits ASG-2 presentation, I kind of need it there. redface.gif Dynamics and bass impact goes to Tralucent they can really pound you down stairs probably because of an advantage in sub-bass extension, when songs climax or bust in the busy chorus 1Plus2 will hit hard where as ASG--2 will push a lot of that mid-bass region on you. Far as coherency is concerned they both very decent but ASG-2 can cave with busy tracks when speed is concerned.

Pretty much one reason I sold my RDB+ v1 was because it became tiring, I had been laying down listening (not trying to sleep) just having listening sessions and they were wearing me down, so I went for Westone 4 because of that protection veil over the mid range, then ASG-2 came along and offers very much the same thing but as an upgrade in almost every way.

I still question the cable advantage 1Plus2 has, however I must admit I can see how easily preference would make you pick one over the other, the people saying they prefer ASG-2 are not crazy IMO. I can switch between them and not be totally convinced one is hundreds and hundreds of dollars better than the other. Though 1Plus2 still remains the best IEM I have heard on a technical level.
Edited by H20Fidelity - 8/18/13 at 5:48am
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She is indeed great and has the talent or the so called gift but sadly the  folk world or the world music world is always neglected because simply put the western standard does not understand them because most of the eastern system is based on improvisation or complex cycles that simply have no place in the systematized and structured classical music of west. 

 

Here is one clip from mastero Shajarian, it normally takes 20-30 minutes for the vocalist to reach his climax. 

 

 

I like to get into indian music but that is even harder, the vocalist performance takes normally 40-50 minutes but here are two clips which are off the scale of pianos notes.

 

 

 

here is one from Ustad Ashiq Ali khan, he became a vocalist after his peers laughed at him for not having the vocal talent of his father. Here is a singer who did not have the vocal to sing (and he did not really have it as he was a chain smoker) but became one of the legend of indian music. Surely for those who listen to it first time and are not into Indian music they might find it funny but those who are into vocals they will apperciate it for sure:

 

 

And ofcourse the icing on the cake, Mongolian throat singing. In this clip you will see Murin Khur played which is the father of Cello the instrument that I would give one of my legs to be able to play it:

 

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

 

Audionewb, i heard and listened to Persian and else... but if we talk about golden voices here is one for you. when i meant Pelageja she is indeed similar unique voice... just comprehend please, four octaves, you can check Persian but i bet you find few very few with 4 octave voice.

 

this lady was named best Carmen of all times by the world critics:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 


Edited by audionewbi - 8/17/13 at 9:51pm
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

Just my 2c, you liking the ASG-2's sound isn't necessarily a contradiction to Rin's graph. I can easily imagine people liking the ASG-2's warm(ish) mid-centric and non-fatiguing sound signature. But as far as Eke's loaner pair is concerned, I'd still say Rin's graph coincides pretty well with my listening impressions, except for the bass range below 100Hz, where I think the roll-off is less severe on Eke's pair than on the one Rin measured.

+1
post #2854 of 5473
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

Just my 2c, you liking the ASG-2's sound isn't necessarily a contradiction to Rin's graph. I can easily imagine people liking the ASG-2's warm(ish) mid-centric and non-fatiguing sound signature. But as far as Eke's loaner pair is concerned, I'd still say Rin's graph coincides pretty well with my listening impressions, except for the bass range below 100Hz, where I think the roll-off is less severe on Eke's pair than on the one Rin measured.

Not really interested sorry.
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post

Not really interested sorry.

Let's say the bass was off for Rin's measurements.. What else on his graphs do you disagree with? Do you know how to read graphs?
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Let's say the bass was off for Rin's measurements.. What else on his graphs do you disagree with? Do you know how to read graphs?

Without being overly rude to you gnarls, do you know how to read my above text you quoted? Has eke not seen his thread disrupted enough by measurements and conflicting opinions? Has maybe anyone thought the reason for my above test you quoted is to not continue on the subject? And what do you do?

As I said, I am NOT interested.
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post

Without being overly rude to you gnarls, do you know how to read my above text you quoted? Has eke not seen his thread disrupted enough by measurements and conflicting opinions? Has maybe anyone thought the reason for my above test you quoted is to not continue on the subject? And what do you do?

As I said, I am NOT interested.

It's okay. I'm just wondering whether or not you had some knowledge or insight behind your opinion of his graphs to share. Carry on.
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


It's okay. I'm just wondering whether or not you had some knowledge or insight behind your opinion of his graphs to share. Carry on.

I think there is a good lessom to learn from this thread, graphs can give us an idea but at the end our ears decides.

 

Just like music, some like well structured concertos and others like improvised music, to each their own well this was a good thread for me. 


Edited by audionewbi - 8/18/13 at 1:31am
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

 

To be fair to Rin, Unity's pair was most definitely defective. Even if the bass roll-off on the graph was true, which it isn't, the bass mismatch alone would create the slow muddy bass he was hearing. The treble also looked funky.

 

I trust Rin's methods, as his graphs tend to match the tonality of the iem I'm listening to. What happened was the result of Unity shooting off at the hip with a 50 cal machine gun, without ever questioning for a second whether this was faulty, given the generally positive impressions rolling in.

 

Of course, Rin's obnoxious commentary didn't help, but he isn't completely to blame.

 

ah ah ah... why would you love graphs after they sent this forum to hell??? ... we, doctors, call such a reaction akin a ''contrarian syndrome'' tongue.gifk701smile.gif

 

seriously, i have to agree with H20, and i forgot to add this important statement to my review. THROW ALL YOUR GRAPHS OUT OF THE WINDOW !!! ASG-2 was created for music enjoyment, period.

 

and if you want to know why ASG2 sings so nicely when graphs tell they cannot here is the answer: “According to aerodynamic laws, the bumblebee cannot fly. Its body weight is not the right proportion to its wingspan. Ignoring these laws, the bee flies anyway.” o2smile.gifbiggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

I think there is a good listen to learn from this thread, graphs can give us an idea but at the end our ears decides.

Just like music, some like well structured, concertos and others like improvised music, to each their own well this was a good thread for me. 

+1
R.I.P. graph vs subjective hearing battle.
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

This thread proves preference plays a key role at the end of the day and I get it now why objective approach to reviews will never always be the definitive end, it will give us an idea but end of the day it comes down to what you ear hears and likes. 

 

I am certainly going to give the C3 a go, I was enjoying the asg-2 with rocoo BA and I find that it corrected  the bass to my liking but it died, time to replace it with C3. 

 

BINGO, you hit the nail on your head! i was telling the same all the time. i cannot care less about graphs and else if my ears like what they hear... and IF my ears do not like THEN i do not care about graphs anyway biggrin.gif

 

and THANKS for music, i will listen to these.

 

 

and one question @ graphs lovers. guys, do you really SERIOUSLY believe that Aurisonics, making pro monitors for onstage artists, has no idea about graphs and measurements??? COOL........ i am all ears to have your story popcorn.gif


Edited by Gintaras - 8/18/13 at 1:16am
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


Let's say the bass was off for Rin's measurements.. What else on his graphs do you disagree with? Do you know how to read graphs?

 

yes, send us a Graph Reading Glasses mate... tongue.gifbiggrin.gif

 

seriously, graphs can tell only a small part of the story behind IEM, what i heard from ASG2 made me smile. i agree, this is not perfect and some things could be improved here and there but, boy oh boy, the approach in ASG2 sound signature appeals so much to me and having 1+2, which i consider to be portable full-way speakers, i can happily live with ASG2 side by side.


Edited by Gintaras - 8/18/13 at 1:29am
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Originally Posted by MoonYeol View Post


+1
R.I.P. graph vs subjective hearing battle.

 

+1

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Don't get me wrong graphs are important as they give a general sense of how an IEM will sound assuming that IEM X and Y both have exact same fit in our ear canal. The major weakness of all measurement is that they are all going to be limited to the test dummy ear structure or the mechanism that they are measured under. All our ears are some what different. For example in the F111 thread we had one member who heard the F111 completely different to rest of us and it was because his inner ear reflected sound different than us.

 

Once again I am a fan of measurement as they can provide us some guidelines but at the end of the day our ears decide. I

post #2865 of 5473
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

This thread proves preference plays a key role at the end of the day and I get it now why objective approach to reviews will never always be the definitive end, it will give us an idea but end of the day it comes down to what you ear hears and likes. 
No review is objective by definition. Everyone's ears and preferences are unique.

Rin to be clear is not a reviewer as such. It is the equivalent of listing out car specs and showing how one has better engine, faster top speed, ceramic brakes and whatever. All measurable. But yet choosing a different model for an indescribable quality that cannot be fully quantified except to the end user. As I said earlier in the thread, it is fine to make reference to graphs but to put lock and stock into them, with respect, is missing out on that enjoyment. I can enjoy a song I like on radio. Can others? wink.gif (rhetorical)
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