Hey Purrin, do you by any chance have a 1/24 octave smoothed curve?

Sorry if that's against your personal measuring rules that I missed somewhere.

vwinter said:

Hey Purrin, do you by any chance have a 1/24 octave smoothed curve?

Sorry if that's against your personal measuring rules that I missed somewhere.

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Yup, just got those up. Not too much different looking - a good thing. Transitions are smooth with no narrow peaks or dips.

purrin said:

Yup, just got those up. Not too much different looking - a good thing. Transitions are smooth with no narrow peaks or dips.

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Thanks!
Yea, kind of surprising haha. I thought there would be more action.

You who have a number of tips for the ASG-2. How would you describe the midrange when comparing for example the auvio tips with the included dual flanges? I'm getting quite similar results with the UE900, ASG-2 and FA-4E XB.

Sonically wise I do not detect much difference between different tips as well. Seems to me that ASG2 isn't a much tip dependent IEM.

I've tried tips such as Audio Techinca, Sony hybrids, Meelec double flange, both single and double stock flanges.

To me, only subtle differences were noticed when switching between single and double flanges. I find single flange tips such as the Sony hybrid presents a slightly "boomier" bass. The stock double flange presented bass slightly more tightly and maybe slightly deeper. Soundstage was also only very marginally larger probably due to the further distance between tips and ear drum? Ain't sure of it too. But the differences are really subtle and definitely to me, comfort will be my deciding factor as the differences are really marginal or negligible.

I would say mid-range to me had a difference when paired with different after-market cables such as Fiio SPC, Chris 24AWG pure copper, Lune MKIII and Silver Dragon.

The mid-range was rendered much smoother, warmer and lush when paired with pure copper cable and Fiio SPC.

With the pure copper cable, bass was rendered tighter and deeper with less emphasis on mid bass. Vocals came out lush and upfront as though the singer is just right in front! Vocals details can be heard extremely well. Trade offs would be a slight deterioration in clarity but still surpassing the stock cable. Copper renders a really nice low end coupled with smooth, lush vocals. Definitely intrinsic for vocal lovers!

Fiio SPC rendered vocals on par with pure copper with slightly better clarity. Trade offs would be the low end. Bass isn't as punchy and quantitatively compared to pure copper but is still abundant and sufficient. For the price of the Fiio SPC, I think it is a great catch!

The Lune cable which utilizes silver cable wasn't my preferred type of signature. It renders vocals overly thin sounding for me though it enhances clarity and a tint of brightness which IMO, causes fatigue listening.

Silver Dragon cable would quite be a winner when paired with ASG2. It cleans up the spectrum bringing tighter, punchier and deeper lows. Vocals still were rendered smoothly though "not-so-in-your-face". Clarity was improved with good separation. Basically to me, the Silver Dragon pushed the ASG2 towards "balanced" though still not yet there.

I personally prefer Silver Dragon > Fiio SPC = Pure copper. But with the price of the Fiio SPC, I would gladly take it over the other three.

I do agree on the bass not changing and the soundstage remains about the same. Maybe a bit more open with auvio tips than any other. But it's the upper mids that interest me. To me the included biflanges present the upper mids better, at first I thought it to be weird resonances but that might have been me seating them too shallow or just remembering wrong. I now feel that they give a less mid bassy, less veiled presentation which is very welcome with the ASG-2. Will try with a 93spec cable and a Fiio WT-1 in 1-2 weeks when they both arrive.

moonyeol said:

I do agree on the bass not changing and the soundstage remains about the same. Maybe a bit more open with auvio tips than any other. But it's the upper mids that interest me. To me the included biflanges present the upper mids better, at first I thought it to be weird resonances but that might have been me seating them too shallow or just remembering wrong. I now feel that they give a less mid bassy, less veiled presentation which is very welcome with the ASG-2. Will try with a 93spec cable and a Fiio WT-1 in 1-2 weeks when they both arrive.

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Yup! Same experience with the stock dual flange as well. Upper mids were rendered smoother. Do agree that the bi flange pairs very well. But for me I couldn't use it as it pose pain in my ears after around an hour of usage.

Haha waiting for your comments on the cables especially Fiio!

I'm sitting in the lecture hall waiting for the next class to start, and I'm listening to my G2 right now. Interestingly enough, I hear no upper midrange suck out, no excess mid-bass, just goodness. Everything sounds right where it should be. I can hear every mastering fault in a lot of my lower quality recordings, and the sound signature is enveloping yet ultra revealing.

I glance at my phone screen and see this:



Looking at the volume, it's at about 55% of my iPhone's capacity. That's not very high, but its not low volume either. I'm seeing more an more that the G2 is very much a loudness tuned phone. It seems the bass gains texture and tightness with volume, the mids even out, and treble extends. I usually do my comparisons at this volume level, so that may contribute to my findings when I A/B.

Volume is a pretty big deal lol

Well, I envy you eke. I can't listen at that volume without being shredded to pieces by the 8-9kHz peak. If only I could get it up to 10k and not have to keep a low/moderate volume. I listened to some Dave Brubeck and some Marcus Miller. The ASG-2 sounded really good. It really has a unique ability to render lots of sounds, very large and still not sound that congested. But switching to FA-4E Xb with the grey biflanges, just brought much more energy and little details forward that I didn't hear the same way. Maybe the ASG-2 requires a higher volume to shine properly. Something I'll never hear on some songs. I'll patiently await more meelec balanced tips and 2 different cables. Should've been 3 but the guy on Head-fi I bought one of the cables from, decided to disappear or something.

moonyeol said:

  Well, I envy you eke. I can't listen at that volume without being shredded to pieces by the 8-9kHz peak. If only I could get it up to 10k and not have to keep a low/moderate volume. I listened to some Dave Brubeck and some Marcus Miller. The ASG-2 sounded really good. It really has a unique ability to render lots of sounds, very large and still not sound that congested. But switching to FA-4E Xb with the grey biflanges, just brought much more energy and little details forward that I didn't hear the same way. Maybe the ASG-2 requires a higher volume to shine properly. Something I'll never hear on some songs. I'll patiently await more meelec balanced tips and 2 different cables. Should've been 3 but the guy on Head-fi I bought one of the cables from, decided to disappear or something.

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You and gnarl seem to have similar ear structures, where the peak is much lower than for the rest of us. I think he had luck the ortofons or something. I'm not sure which.

eke2k6 said:

You and gnarl seem to have similar ear structures, where the peak is much lower than for the rest of us. I think he had luck the ortofons or something. I'm not sure which.

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Auvio tips with a shallow fit cut the peak noticeably for me. Imo it allows the barrel to angle correctly for my ears resulting in less resonance at ~8k. No other tips I tried had the same effect unfortunately.

I'm not sure I can link to the site, but Purrin's measurements for the ASG-2 are up. I'll just post the images here. 
 
I'd like everyone to take note of the differences from Rin's measurements, especially in the bass. Nearly 50 pages of arguments for nothing.
 

 

 
 
And the CSD plot:
 

eke2k6 said:

  I'm not sure I can link to the site, but Purrin's measurements for the ASG-2 are up. I'll just post the images here. 
 
I'd like everyone to take note of the differences from Rin's measurements, especially in the bass. Nearly 50 pages of arguments for nothing.
 

 

 
 
And the CSD plot:
 

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That looks FAR closer (in fact I dare say spot on) how I hear the ASG-2. Complete with the 10dB dropoff starting at around 70Hz. 
 
Kudos to Purrin for the measurements.

Not that there's much difference but you reposted the uncompensated set of measurements.

Compensated:

vwinter said:

Not that there's much difference but you reposted the uncompensated set of measurements.

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Rin showed around a 20dB dropoff and a 15dB dropoff for the two mismatched drivers. This shows around 12 uncompensated and a bit less than 10 compensated (I'm estimating because the zoom is further out than Rin's. (I'm talking under 100Hz). That's a pretty sizable difference. Is there still bass rolloff? Of course. We all knew it was there. The question was always of how much, and everyone felt Rin's measurements showed too much rolloff from what was being subjectively heard. 
 
Rin usually does fantastic work and they usually line up for how I hear the phones. The ASG-2s just... didn't.
 
Purrin's looks closer to the ASG-1 measurements in the bass region, which is how I heard the bass, and this lines up with my subjective perceptions. And they look identical in midrange and treble, which no one doubted from Rin. Are they perfect? Not at all. They work for almost everything I listen to on a regular basis, and they are close to my perfect signature. If Dale makes good on those modifications, I think they will be my perfect signature. And I will be ecstatic because I'd have gotten, what I feel would be a completely top tier perfect match to my sound sig for a steal of a price at $400.