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post #4051 of 4775
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The ER4S came in today. I told James I wasn't going to be able to get to it, but who am I to resist the veteran of the iem world.

 

I feel like the ER4S can be summed up with one sentence..."Dat upper midrange bump."

 

It confers the ER4S' greatest strengths, as well as its biggest downfalls. The ER4S is the first iem I've heard, other than the T-Peos H-100, that truly gave the the impression of being "cold". It's not even a bass issue either, as I'm getting clean and deep bass. The midrange hump reeeaallyyy emphasizes every last micro detail and harmonic, but there's little body to back it up, making notes that fall in the area of emphasis seem like they were machined from a sharp blade. This heavily applies to guitar strums. At the moment, all I can say is that I think the HF5 might just be the best all-around iem in the Ety lineup. It's not a fit issue either...I learned my lesson with the HF5.

 

 

Of course, these are very initial impressions. I'll listen more after my exams.

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

The ER4S came in today. I told James I wasn't going to be able to get to it, but who am I to resist the veteran of the iem world.

I feel like the ER4S can be summed up with one sentence..."Dat upper midrange bump."

It confers the ER4S' greatest strengths, as well as its biggest downfalls. The ER4S is the first iem I've heard, other than the T-Peos H-100, that truly gave the the impression of being "cold". It's not even a bass issue either, as I'm getting clean and deep bass. The midrange hump reeeaallyyy emphasizes every last micro detail and harmonic, but there's little body to back it up, making notes that fall in the area of emphasis seem like they were machined from a sharp blade. This heavily applies to guitar strums. At the moment, all I can say is that I think the HF5 might just be the best all-around iem in the Ety lineup. It's not a fit issue either...I learned my lesson with the HF5.


Of course, these are very initial impressions. I'll listen more after my exams.

I had the same experience coming from the ASG-2. It can be pretty jarring, especially with certain modern rock tracks. I do adjust to them again though after a few songs.

I'm really curious as to how forward 3k sounds to you in comparison to the rest of the FR. Would you mind running a few tones and checking it out? Then it would be more clear whether DF tuning fits your particular HRTF. James' earlier post was very enlightening as to how there was just no way the tuning of the ER4S was flat for him.

Also I highly recommend trying some red filters, as they have the effect of lessening the upper mids by a very modest amount. I actually only use the reds, as I find they give a flatter response for me.

Glad you're getting to finally try these out. I wish our avian friend was here to link you to a trove of awesome ER4 friendly music. Maybe I'll link a few later for you to try. I still have Of Monsters and Men on my radar... Just way too busy lately to catch a listen.
post #4053 of 4775
Has anyone had (or will have) the opportunity to try the asg2 with the cypher labs theorem?
post #4054 of 4775
Thread Starter 

Ok, update on the new revisions.

 

I just got back word from the guys at Aurisonics, and they told me there's no "ASG-2.5" per se. There's definitely stuff coming down the pipeline, though.

 

"but something very cool is coming and we will announce soon."

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

Ok, update on the new revisions.

I just got back word from the guys at Aurisonics, and they told me there's no "ASG-2.5" per se. There's definitely stuff coming down the pipeline, though.

"but something very cool is coming and we will announce soon."
Interesting. Can't wait for them to announce it soon!!
post #4056 of 4775

wanna trade my asg-2 for a 1plus 2 anyone interested ? hahaha 

Hey eke that album you recomended is of monsters and men ? 

post #4057 of 4775
G'man, could you listen to the Ben Howard song on both phones and let me know what differences you hear?

post #4058 of 4775
Cross posting this here because there are several ASG-2 references. I might update with more detailed ASG-2 comparisons if I have time.

FA-4E XB Impressions:

Listening done on iPhone 5S and Yulong D100 MKII > Meier Quickstep

I'll unfortunately be more brief here since I don't have much time these days, which is unfortunately doing these a small injustice. Though what people who have heard these will feel is a bigger injustice is that I will be writing those from the standpoint of what made me sad about them, the lost potential, my hopes, and the expectations. Don't take this in offense anyone that loves these because I only do this when I think something is incredibly good. The better something is, the more the little things can disappoint you, or me.

Like shotgunshane, I hear these as being a broad U signature with slightly steeper slopes at the ends. When listening to them, they sound quite linear throughout most of the FR, but test tones show a couple of strategically placed dips in the lower treble. While these are likely placed to lower listening fatigue, they kill the rich lower treble harmonics that float up from the midrange, killing the midrange energy I like to hear. For all the clarity, crispness, separation and clean imaging of the sound, vocals, while they sound tonally accurate, often just sound muted, like the energy can't escape a bubble around them, and in this way lacks texture and hurts instrument timbre on things like horns. They don't reach the listener. This is a flaw in character to me. I'll get back to this later.

The bass has very good extension, among the best I've heard from a BA. Slightly better extension than the Heaven V and more linear throughout the mid bass. This removes warmth but also coloration. Pick your poison. The bass is also incredibly tight and clean, tighter and cleaner than the ASG-2. Where it falls flat is that it's detached, once again, from the listener. It just doesn't reach me. This is unfortunately the pattern.

The treble is satisfying, it has it's peaks especially higher up but very smooth yet detailed. I had not noticed any sibilance when in my regular rotation of tracks that pops up now and then on my ASG-2. Not the best extension though, but it doesn't really bother me with music playing

Soundstage is good. Height might be a small bit compressed but otherwise satisfying. Very good but not special. Imaging is very crisp and precise, but unfortunately it lacks gravity and dimensionality. This is where is falls far behind the ASG-2 or the Heaven V. The images just seem to float in space rather than being grounded on a stage. Then, and here's where it gets ugly for those expecting the world, because of that lack of dimensionality, compared to the ASG-2, it sounds like a shooting gallery at a carnival, where the things you are trying to pinpoint are clearly cut out but have no depth, they are flat and realism of the experience suffers. This is hurt by what I now call the Pane of Glass effect. It feels like there is a pane of glass between you and the show. Everything sounds in front of you, with relatively for stereo imaging directly, 180 degrees, left and right, and it just won't reach you. You can't feel it. I think this is in part due to less than stellar dynamics. Passages that should crescendo just don't for the most part.

Personally, I just want to make a note about coherency. The tuning of the midrange driver is quite unlike the rest, possibly in a effort to reduce listening fatigue. To me, it stands out and I can hear it. It's no worse than the 1plus2, BA200, and probably many other multi-driver IEMs which people have no problem with, and better than others like the XBA-4. It's not as good as the W4 but the FA-4E is what I expected from the W4 and I think it's a better IEM for the most part. The best I've heard in this regard for multi driver IEMs are the ASG-2 and the UERM demo.

They are also damn comfortable and surprisingly isolating, but the fit and finish are a little blah for the price, the FA logo is a bit tacky on the shells, and the stupid cable has that stupid huge non-phone-case-friendly hugeness at the plug. Ugh.

So now that the whole thread is likely typing up responses in a rage, I just want to say that I place the FA-4E XB among the best IEMs I've heard. They do so much right and very little wrong. Which is why I nitpick more when something is very good. I'd say people looking for a cleaner brighter sounding W4 should look no further. I'd also tentatively say that this could be a GR07 upgrade, purely from memory, less sibilance, great sub bass extension with no mid bass bloat, non-fatiguing mids, and oodles of detail, clarity, and separation. This could also make a great complimentary IEM for the ASG-2 crowd. The G-2 is more temperamental with the 5S as a source and can be very harsh and piecing with hotly mastered tracks. Unforgiving. The FA-4E steps in nicely there.
post #4059 of 4775
Awesome review vwinter. Great analogies. I can picture exactly what you mean, and I'm sure the FA-4E isn't for me. And that's what these reviews are for, for one to be able to weed out iems that do or don't fit their personal preferences. Much appreciated. smily_headphones1.gif

Unity I'll definitely listen to that song and have more impressions up today.
Edited by gnarlsagan - 11/6/13 at 10:01am
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Awesome review vwinter. Great analogies. I can picture exactly what you mean, and I'm sure the FA-4E isn't for me. And that's what these reviews are for, for one to be able to weed out iems that do or don't fit their personal preferences. Much appreciated. smily_headphones1.gif

Unity I'll definitely listen to that song and have more impressions up today.

Thanks smile.gif

Out of curiosity, which part was the deal breaker?

I think the FA-4E is really very good overall and everything written above is only pointing out these bits of overwhelming hopes not being met only in comparison to what I thought would have been a best case scenario in each respective right.
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Thanks smile.gif

Out of curiosity, which part was the deal breaker?

I think the FA-4E is really very good overall and everything written above is only pointing out these bits of overwhelming hopes not being met only in comparison to what I thought would have been a best case scenario in each respective right.

I understand, but I'm like you in that I tend to develop very high expectations. And at this point little things can tend to bug me a lot in the long run. Lack of dimensionality would get to me, as would a tuning designed to limit fatigue. This usually means a dip somewhere in the upper mids/lower treble that I'm just really not interested in hearing any more. Well more specifically, it's not something I would consider buying at this point in my personal audio journey.

But again I really appreciate reviews that embody enough technical description and clarity to allow one to come to some kind of conclusion about an iem. Thanks again. smily_headphones1.gif
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I understand, but I'm like you in that I tend to develop very high expectations. And at this point little things can tend to bug me a lot in the long run. Lack of dimensionality would get to me, as would a tuning designed to limit fatigue. This usually means a dip somewhere in the upper mids/lower treble that I'm just really not interested in hearing any more. Well more specifically, it's not something I would consider buying at this point in my personal audio journey.

But again I really appreciate reviews that embody enough technical description and clarity to allow one to come to some kind of conclusion about an iem. Thanks again. smily_headphones1.gif

Gotcha
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With all the respect these technical reviews are a bit overwhelming, you should hear the fa 4e by yourself to know the good they are or if you like em or not, considering the fit, music taste or your music gear.

 

There are more reviews and if you take time to check them not everybody think  the same as vwinter about that lack of dimensionality (users like me which have very few experience with iems or users like music_4321, burtonchell, darkbeat...which have plenty) it gives you the idea of the subjectivity of personal ideas no matter how objective you try to be... curiosly all of them claim that the fa 4e are very good which is true, and it's not very usual by the way to see that amount of positive feedback.

 

What I'm trying to say it's that you shouldn't dismiss the fa 4e only for vwinter opinion which is as respetable as the others considering on the other hand all the experience this guy have, but at the end you have to try them to draw a final conclusion.


Edited by Kurdt-bada - 11/6/13 at 2:01pm
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I don't know how many times I can say that I really like them and they are really good.

Here's a response I had written in the FA-4E thread that I think could use a cross post too (slightly edited):

Many people around here say you want to find someone you hear similarly to. I personally think it's important to find someone who looks for the same things when reviewing or analyzing sound. That way even if the sound is different, you will have reasonable expectations. Of specific aspects you deem important. If you don't look for the same things as I do, then everything I've written doesn't even matter because it's not so something you put weight on. And you can tell which parts if what I wrote were born of hopes rather than descriptions or transcriptions.
Edited by vwinter - 11/6/13 at 2:53pm
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I didn't say that you claimed the amps are bad or anything like that I'm only pointing that not everybody shares the same opinion and at the end you should hear them by yourself to draw final conclusions, but i also agree with this: I personally think it's important to find someone who looks for the same things when reviewing or analyzing sound.

 

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.. curiosly all of them claim that the fa 4e are very good which is true, and it's not very usual by the way to see that amount of positive feedback.

 

 


Edited by Kurdt-bada - 11/6/13 at 2:15pm
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