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post #3976 of 5064
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Originally Posted by MoonYeol View Post

P.S. I miss my ASG-2 and I'm currently a slightly depressed internet shopaholic with 480€ on my PayPal account.. still hesitant though..

 

1p2 ??? :tongue:

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Haha.. since when is 480€ going to get me a 1p2?
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Haha.. since when is 480€ going to get me a 1p2?

 

no...., you need to add up a bit ;):veryevil:

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Oh no, don't make me go there... I was thinking more in the line of FA-4E. Seems like they could fit in just fine in my little family.
post #3980 of 5064
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Oh no, don't make me go there... I was thinking more in the line of FA-4E. Seems like they could fit in just fine in my little family.

 

ok, FA-4E for now, but promise me you will start saving for 1p2 :veryevil::o2smile:

 

hahaha.... kidding, it seems FA-4E must be interesting IEM... report back when have it.

post #3981 of 5064
Ok. Last post about my future purchases. The worst part is that I know that the 1p2 is most likely my preferred sound signature. But seeing that S/G cable, reading about the build quality... I use my iems mostly on the go. So maybe when I've gotten a few of my coming doctor's salaries...

I'll make up my mind soon about the FA-4E. The thing is, the CK100Pro left quite an impression as well.. omg. I have such "developed country"-issues as we say where I live. I hope you all understand how my life is almost put on hold in the shadow of this dilemma.
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Originally Posted by UnityIsPower View Post


When u say "Unity-Inks-Rin saga", this does bother me a bit as I'm trying to simply express what I've heard. One of the reasons I've shiped these phones out, and shiped the H200 to you for review, is that I respect what all of you have to say more than myself. I don't feel like I have a clear picture of what I'm trying to express or the articulation to express it(whatever it is) well. I've backed out of a tour for reasons of stress because on the above and am trying to keep calm for another one in which I was placed.

 

 

I understand. I was mainly referring to the last two that resulted in this:

 

http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2013/07/aurisonics-asg-2.html

 

I love how you again offered Rin your fixed ASG-2 that's on tour, but he's suddenly too busy to re-evaluate it. I remember the MH1c saga, where anyone who thought the bass was bloated "must have one of the bad sets", but they were unwilling to accept that your first G2 was a lemon. Its just stuff like that can be frustrating.

 

 

I respect your opinion, Unity, don't think otherwise.

post #3983 of 5064
Eagle has landed. Further impressions incoming.
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post #3985 of 5064
Nukeshock, thanks for the brief comparison... Again, if we all hear the same, this forum will be useless and boring!
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First very quick impressions of Unity's new stealth ASG-2. It looks great. Aurisonics really does a great job with aesthetics. Fit is amazing. 

 

Audio-wise, they sound almost exactly how I remember my old pair to sound. I still have the same complaints about too much mid-bass and sibilance on too many tracks. Sub-bass extension is very good on this pair. I can hear below 30Hz no problem. If I had to guess, I'd say this ASG-2 has a slightly better sub-bass to mid-bass ratio than my old one, and I think a new graph would reveal that. Mid-bass as a whole is still too much for my ER4-tuned ears, as we Etyholics tend to develop a strong intolerance to bass bloat of any kind. ER4 bass is the cleanest, most detailed bass I've heard in any iem, including the UERM.

 

I also get very clean and emphasized sub-bass on the ER4S compared to the ASG-2 on a lot of the electronic music I've been listening to lately. I'm not sure if it's because of the ASG-2's comparatively emphasized mid-bass, but sub-bass on the ER4S is just amazing on deep house and trance. It sounds more solid, so I become more immersed in the music. This rise and fall, and start and stop of bass notes is just more clearly delineated on the ER4S, so I don't have to strain to hear the details. Details are all present effortlessly, and instead of looking for something I'm not going to find, I can just sit back and take it all in. 

 

I can hear a little dip at 2k and a bigger dip at 4k. After that it rises to a very large peak at ~7.2k, one of the biggest peaks I've heard from any iem. I have to stop the tone generator because it's so loud. I definitely think that peak should be audible to everyone, but I do think my ear structure exaggerates it to some degree. I did mitigate this peak a bit on my old pair with the right tips, but sadly those tips aren't with me. I'll see if I can find a pair included that will help with this treble spike. Even a shallow fit doesn't really help. Here's the problem with a peak at 7.2k: it adds more to sibilance than a peak at even 8k or above. Ideally 10k and up is a better place for such a peak, as exampled by the IE800. A >10k peak will put emphasis on cymbals and some harmonics, but it's mostly out of the sibilance range. I have a feeling that this peak will fall into different ranges and strengths for people though, which is something Iearned with the F111. Ear structure seems to affect treble more than anything else, followed by mids and lastly bass. If someone get this peak closer to 9k, then they probably wouldn't experience the same amount of sibilance that I do. 

 

Eke where is this peak for you? 

 

Some tracks can sound very good on the ASG-2. Acoustic tracks by M. Ward., for example, sound great. Very minor, if any, sibilance, and the warmth of the mid-bass really works with his voice. Clean Slate, Wild Goose and Pure Joy sound amazing off this playlist:

 

 

The biggest issue I have with the ASG-2 is that the FR isn't even across the spectrum to my ears, so not all frequencies are represented with the same emphasis. This means that instruments and voices with harmonics at 1k will sound more forward than voices and instruments with harmonics at 2k. Similarly, harmonics in the 4k range won't sound as emphasized as harmonics in the 7k range. If we want as much detail as possible, shouldn't all frequencies be represented equally? Surely there is important sonic information throughout the whole spectrum of bass, mids and treble. 

 

Honestly, listening to the ASG-2 right now just sounds like mid-fi compared to the ER4S. I feel like I'm missing details here and there, and I am, so the music feels less real. My attention is drawn to the parts that don't sound right, or aren't convincing. Harmonics should be represented evenly throughout 2k and 4k, and without that some of the sounds throw me off. Voices can sound a bit uneven, or less full, as do instruments. The 7.2 spike really takes me out of the listening experience. A cymbal crash shouldn't be louder than everything else in the track. Every sound should be equally represented. 

 

This is only my experience, and I'd imagine others hear differently depending on fit and so on. I would be very interested though in whether people hear the dips at 2k and 4k, and the spike at ~7k. People do hear differently, but if we use tones to see where dips and peaks lie in the FR, we could help each other understand a lot more about how we hear these iems. So I'm asking you ASG-2 lovers, do you hear the dips at 2k and 4k, and where is the treble peak for YOU? 

 

Comparisons with the GR07 BE coming tomorrow. 


Edited by gnarlsagan - 10/30/13 at 9:45pm
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I know most of you guys are calm and sensible when it comes to these things, but I wanted to make a suggestion all the same. When someone posts something that seems to contradict your own opinion or experience, take it as an opportunity to learn something new.  Also, it might help specifying what music and also how loud you are listening. People rarely post about the latter, but it makes a huge amount of difference. :beerchug:

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Dips at 2-2,5k and 4-4,5k and the big peak centered at 8,5k. The peak is almost 1kHz wide which makes it hard to EQ out. But dropping 5 dB from 8kHz up to 9kHz makes it more tolerable. Or I just stay away from music that sounds sibliant and avoid higher volumes, I try to listen so quiet that I don't feel my ears have to accomodate to the noise level (that one is for you Currawong). The thing is, I can't push the ASG-2 in so far as to bring the peak up past 9kHz because it's so wide. And I can't have them fit so shallow as to get the peak down below 8kHz.

 

I don't want to say that I heard the dips themselves. Rather indirectly compensated until I thought it sounded flatter and noticed that the dips were at 2kHz and 4kHz. Then I checked on the graphs from Rin to see what they COULD look like. But the peak is clearly audible on sweeps. It's piercing. But all of these anomalies do serve a purpose I believe.


Edited by MoonYeol - 10/30/13 at 5:10pm
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Thread Starter 

Gnarl, thanks for the impressions.

 

I pretty much agree with you on the FR of the G2, though I don't get the sibilance you and moon do. I'll also have the ER4S within the next couple of days.

I truly get no sibilance unless I'm listening to a song that has it hardcore embedded at higher volumes. The FR is indeed not completely even, and that plays into the downfalls and strengths of the G2 when it comes to critical listening. The difference is that I don't equate linearity with technical performance or detail. My experience with the HF5, 334, and G2 have shown me that. The "missing" details are there, just not as emphasized as the more upfront parts of the spectrum. Extensive A/B's have shown me this. I actually don't even hear cymbals as being necessarily louder...quite the opposite. Ear structure really does play a part, as James remarked that he thought cymbals seemed to be stifled in the presentation. 

 

I do hear the 4K dip. However, I understand why it's there. I'm glad you have the G2 with you so you can hear what I'm about to show you. Have a listen to this track here on both the 4S and G2:

 

 

 

 

This track was almost unlistenable with my HF5 at anything but low volumes. The G2 though cuts through it in spades. In this case, and several others like it, the DF tuning will fall on its face due to the huge boost in the upper mids. As a result, I can listen to my G2 for much longer than any DF oriented phone. Also factor in that we're not the intended market for Aurisonics (yet :wink_face:). Stage vocal monitors have to be tuned a certain way. Try out shotgunshane's EQ to see how you find the G2's performance to change.

 

 

Aside from from FR, do you have any other thoughts about the sound, like staging, imaging, texture, speed, etc?

 

 

BTW, I love your impressions. They come off as objective without the snark. Added to the OP.


Edited by eke2k6 - 10/30/13 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

Gnarl, thanks for the impressions.

 

I pretty much agree with you on the FR of the G2, though I don't get the sibilance you and moon do. I'll also have the ER4S within the next couple of days.

I truly get no sibilance unless I'm listening to a song that has it hardcore embedded at higher volumes. The FR is indeed not completely even, and that plays into the downfalls and strengths of the G2 when it comes to critical listening. The difference is that I don't equate linearity with technical performance or detail. My experience with the HF5, 334, and G2 have shown me that. The "missing" details are there, just not as emphasized as the more upfront parts of the spectrum. Extensive A/B's have shown me this. I actually don't even hear cymbals as being necessarily louder...quite the opposite. Ear structure really does play a part, as James remarked that he thought cymbals seemed to be stifled in the presentation. 

 

I do hear the 4K dip. However, I understand why it's there. I'm glad you have the G2 with you so you can hear what I'm about to show you. Have a listen to this track here on both the 4S and G2:

 

 

 

 

This track was almost unlistenable with my HF5 at anything but low volumes. The G2 though cuts through it in spades. In this case, and several others like it, the DF tuning will fall on its face due to the huge boost in the upper mids. As a result, I can listen to my G2 for much longer than any DF oriented phone. Also factor in that we're not the intended market for Aurisonics (yet :wink_face:). Stage vocal monitors have to be tuned a certain way. Try out shotgunshane's EQ to see how you find the G2's performance to change.

 

 

Aside from from FR, do you have any other thoughts about the sound, like staging, imaging, texture, speed, etc?

 

 

BTW, I love your impressions. They come off as objective without the snark. Added to the OP.

 

Eke I gave a very focused listen to that Whitney Houston track with both the ASG-2 and the ER4S. I have to say that I enjoy the ER4S more. To my ear it just sounds more linear and coherent. The mids aren't at all too forward to me; rather they are emphasized just right. You and I may just have a fundamental difference in how we perceive DF tuning, just like how James doesn't find DF to be flat for him. And actually Inks doesn't find DF to be perfectly flat for him either. I, however, do, along with luisdent and quite a few other people. I think this is a testament to how much an individual's HRTF can vary from the norm. 

 

Staging to me seems slightly larger than the ER4S, but again the flaws in midbass and treble to my ears negatively affect the soundstage. It's just quite different from the ER4S. The same issues in FR affect imaging imo. The ER4S really has nearly perfect imaging to my ears. The ASG-2 accentuates certain aspects of the stereo image, like highs and some lows, but because those aspects aren't presented on an even frequency emphasis to my ears, they take away from realism in the stereo field. Say I'm completely immersed in a track; and all of the aspects of that track are represented faithfully and evenly to my ears; if I hear sibilance or an accentuation in any particular area, it's going to take me out of that immersion. The ER4S keeps me in that immersion. I find no flaws in any part of the FR. If I am extremely picky, I add a small bass boost to the sub-bass and a ~1.5dB boost to ~7.2k. 

 

Again this largely depends on the hearing of the listener. Imo, if a person finds the ER4S to be more linear through the FR, then that person will find the ER4S to be the better iem. In fact, any iem that is the most linear through the FR will sound best to that particular listener imo. Tones are the best way for a listener to find out how linear an iem is to him/her. 

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