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post #1996 of 5051
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

 

I don't know about the 2, but the ASG-1 isolated just about as good as my Etymotics XD 

 

We all know that additional tweeters reduce isolation

 

Duh!

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

 

 

 

I'm no Bro!

 

Oh, music I never got the chance to tell you how much I liked your performance in Bioshock Infinite. You showed great acting range

 

art-of-bioshock-infinite.jpg

post #1997 of 5051
Hmm... Full size headphones yet I actually like vocals on the ASG 2 more 😕

As for the bass... O God yes! The edge of bass notes have more definition. The thump is authoritative with a tight climax. I feel rumble.. The bass has texture instead of a clouded bloom... 😎

We belong together by Mariah Carey=win. Just give me ASG 2 vocals and I die a happy man.

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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post

Some beautiful music to run through your ASG-2, eke.. watch/listen in 720/1080p:


^
I wish the ASG 2's would just switch lows with this headphone, the rest can stay as is.


^
Lol, poor Focal.

Build quality feels quite crapy to me, very cheap toy plasticky feeling. I would seriously consider returning them for that alone If they weren't free.

I wondered if I had a good seal NIVEB but I found the ASG's isolated very well.
Edited by UnityIsPower - 7/25/13 at 11:56am
post #1998 of 5051
Bioshock is awesome! Long time me no play frown.gif
post #1999 of 5051

Soooo, I've got 185 hours of pink noise burn in on my ASG-2. I think they're pretty much topped out.


Just briefly: these sound awesome. The highs tamed down a tad - not as much as i would have hoped, but tip selection seems to tame it yet a little more. It's not so much sibilance as an overabundance of a certain frequency. I notice it the most on certain male vocals, as well as snare rimshots - however crash cymbals and chimes don't sound the slightest bit painful. It's really just a very certain and tight frequency range that occasionally is too much.

 

there is a midbass hump that can be a bit of an assault, but it's very rare and only on a few tracks that I notice it. I'd say, if just a tad of the quantity there was moved down a bit to the sub-bass range these'd be tight.

 

Some of the absolutely best headphones i've had just in overall presentation. The quality is all there, as it is in many headphones, but the way these put it to your ears is outstanding. Definitely a different beast from the ASG-1 - i don't think it's even close.

post #2000 of 5051
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

I don't know about the 2, but the ASG-1 isolated just about as good as my Etymotics XD 

From memory, I'd say that the 1.0-1.1 isolated better than the 2. Isolation on the 1.0-1.1 was the best I'd experienced in an IEM.
post #2001 of 5051
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

From memory, I'd say that the 1.0-1.1 isolated better than the 2. Isolation on the 1.0-1.1 was the best I'd experienced in an IEM.

I have the 1.3 XD
post #2002 of 5051
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

I have the 1.3 XD

Lol. Same shell as the 2 right?
post #2003 of 5051
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

Lol. Same shell as the 2 right?

Yup wink.gif
post #2004 of 5051
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Not sure if serious... but actually tonality is the biggest reason I won't be selling the ER4S or F111. Their mids are more correct to my ears than anything else I've heard.
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

I was being serious. For a fleeting moment I thought you'd seen the (sonic & musical) light — a bit of a disappointment now, tbh. But hey, I love the PFs (and K3003s!), so you can't blame the way a sparrow's brain works, specially based on their questionable sense of hearing.

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Example of objectively (in-ear) measured headphone response variation across individual subjects in the range from 1 kHz to 6 kHz (source: Olive-Welti AES paper, 2012)

Blue/Red = left/right channels. Horizontal lines represent 5db steps, meaning largest difference is about 12db @3.5 kHz.


Jm2c, but don't let me keep you from arguing correct mids tonality. wink.gif

post #2005 of 5051
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Example of objectively (in-ear) measured headphone response variation across individual subjects in the range from 1 kHz to 6 kHz (source: Olive-Welti AES paper, 2012)

Blue/Red = left/right channels. Horizontal lines represent 5db steps, meaning largest difference is about 12db @3.5 kHz.


Jm2c, but don't let me keep you from arguing correct mids tonality. wink.gif

 

Woah is that actual in-ear measurement? As in the sound actually hitting different eardrums varies that much among people listening to the same headphones? If so that is some great info. I've suspected that people hear mids differently for a while. Also could a measurement like this be used to extrapolate a personal HRTF?

post #2006 of 5051
Quote:
Originally Posted by Idsynchrono_24 View Post

So that's what you why abstained from posting til 1501 you sly devil you lol. Fantastic set of impressions V. Loved your Nina Simone/Barry White analogy, very clever way of expressing the G-2's bass presentation

Haha, Thanks!
Missed this post somehow. That little two sentence section gave me a bit a grief but I thought it was an important enough description that I it was worth thinking through.

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Originally Posted by james444 View Post



Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Example of objectively (in-ear) measured headphone response variation across individual subjects in the range from 1 kHz to 6 kHz (source: Olive-Welti AES paper, 2012)
Blue/Red = left/right channels. Horizontal lines represent 5db steps, meaning largest difference is about 12db @3.5 kHz.


Jm2c, but don't let me keep you from arguing correct mids tonality. wink.gif

And on that bombshell...

Out of curiosity, is there a device that does this objective measurement or are we talking trained listeners?
post #2007 of 5051

Want to read more about how the ASG-2 does with female vocals (Adele, Alicia Keys, Alison Krauss, Diana Krall, Laura Marling, Melody Gardot - only listing so many to cover bases tongue.gif). Thanks

post #2008 of 5051

Well, I'd say Melody Gardot and Norah Jones both sound fantastic through the ASG-2. Not quite as warm as i've heard their voices through other phones, but I'd say probably the most transparent and soothing. They show the very texture to the voice, the slight breath between notes in a great way. The floor bass is clean and warm, but does not at all bleed into the vocals at all, which leads to some very satisfying jazz.

post #2009 of 5051
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Originally Posted by dnullify View Post

Well, I'd say Melody Gardot and Norah Jones both sound fantastic through the ASG-2. Not quite as warm as i've heard their voices through other phones, but I'd say probably the most transparent and soothing. They show the very texture to the voice, the slight breath between notes in a great way. The floor bass is clean and warm, but does not at all bleed into the vocals at all, which leads to some very satisfying jazz.

 

Yes, jazz on the ASG-2s are intoxicating. I really don't think I've heard any IEM produce horns quite as nicely as the ASG-2. 

post #2010 of 5051
Note: It turns out my ASG 2's were defective and I was sent a replacement.
New impressions (Click to show)
I placed the original compilation of my post in a collapsable form below:
Experience w/ defective ASG 2 (Click to show)
Edit: I'm going to combine all my relevant post here as best I can cuz this was linked in eke's list. I will also add notes and stuff, yeah!
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5/25/2013
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/990#post_9559991

Payment has been sent!
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Given ~ 2 week wait time.

Note It took 27(5/25-6/22)days from the time I sent payment to the box arriving at my door. Take into consideration I did upgrade my order to stealth after being told the finish is closer to mate black then glossy and looks "killer".
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5/27/13
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/1005#post_9564359

Note this post is not relevant but I enjoyed working on this project! 😋

I used the Sketchbook mobile app on my iPhone 4

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/sketchbook-mobile/id327375467?mt=8
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6/22/2013
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/1845#post_9638739

Arrival of USPS box!
[pics]

Note: I was sooo happy I wanted to cry. I thought "This is it guys!" Unicorns and rainbows 😃
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6/22/2013
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/1860#post_9638819

Currently swapping tips and testing different music...

Things I like so far:
Case
Matte finish
Twisted cable
Fit

Things I don't like so far:
Plastic memory tube on wire
Matte finish has imperfections

On standby:
Sound...

I wanted to cry... Not cuz of happiness. I thought "This is it guys?" Dead unicorns, no rainbows. 😕

Notice I put sound on standbys rather then under "Things I like so far".
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6/22/2013
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/1860#post_9638952

Screenshot of my playlist to let people know what I'm listening to.
[pics]
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6/22/2013
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/1875#post_9639110

Hmmm... I keep messing with tips but I don't quite feel like I have a good seal.

Note I felt like this the entire time I had my ASG 2's.
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6/22/2013
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/1890#post_9639151

Currently trying them with ports at full blast. I believe eke last said he preferred the v GR07 to the BE. I could go either way atm but full blast on the G2 might just be pushing it. I'm liking how it came more then full blast but will keep at it. Onward then.... more music awaits.

Note I said "like how it came *more*". I honestly wasn't happy either way tho.
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6/22/2013
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/1890#post_9639742

Posted issues I found with the finish.
[Pics]
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6/23/2013
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/1905#post_9641426

Sound update after rolling more tips and listening to more tracks;

Good:
Mids
Non-fatiguing highs
No driver flex (Just as u said Andy)

Not so great:
Lows

Aldo the port does its job of increasing bass, it is not to me pleasant. Because it carries other parts of the frequency with it, and because the increase to the bass is more of a bloom increase then anything, the port is a bit useless. It really seems rather loose compared to the GR07's. I want to close it completely but would like more bass with some dubstep tracks for example.

I tested to see if I'm just being a basshead by increasing volume to more then I'm comfortable with levels.

[Pic]
^my limit

Even at this point, the bass sounds flabby when opening the ports too far(more then barely open). It's not that their isn't enough bass range in the port(there is) but that the way it's increased is not particularly liked. I rather have the v GR07 bass quantity if the quality suffers this much with increase. I think ekes post on the port is right on the money:
[pics]
^I went in wondering if I would like this, I did not, lol.

*I have to say that for the price, I would personally be content with GR07 BE's after trying these. They are for sure a noticeable improvement over BE's(with port closed-to-barely open) but how much you value the difference will vary by individual.

My experience is reminding me more of gnarlsagan's and audionewbi's impressions. I might just sell them and stick with my GR07's forever. Or keep them as a testament to my love for eke.... never forget you fruend....
[Pic]

**As for the cosmetic issues, hand assembled/painted or not, I should expect better craftsmanship and I stand by that post. I might let it go also, only to not deal with shipping them back, but it is still an issue worth mentioning. I also just noticed the port on the right side doesn't turn completely to the closed notch.

Getting ready to send them off for more experience peeps to dissect them.

I'll keep messing with them until I ship. As I finish writing this, I want to say ports closed seems like the winner. A shame really as it kind of defeats the purpose of having it.

YMMV.

Edit: Just want to note Andy is now aware of my finish issues and offering assistance.

Edit 2: Note I felt like this during my entire time with the ASG 2's
[Screenshot of the post mentioning my seal issue]

Note: *If you pay attention, you can tell where ME2 is cursing his ass off, talking bout "say it strait up prick, I ain't got time for your BS".

**I felt more confident stating my dissatisfaction with the finish tho, lol

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6/23/2013
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/1920#post_9641619
Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuuketsuki View Post


I will say that if they do the cross valve mod and make it so that the subbass is affected rather than midbass, I'll enjoy these more.

You and me both mate. Is there anybody not interested in this mod that has tried the ASG 2's? Seems everyone is interested.

I figure almost everyone is interested in this. Is this not interesting?
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6/25/2013
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/1980#post_9646849

I posted pics of the headphones I won here:
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/focal-spirit-one-mobile-headphones-sweepstakes

Note the world seems to be enjoying itself... 😒
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6/25/2013
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/1995#post_9646977

Hmm... Full size headphones yet I actually like vocals on the ASG 2 more 😕

As for the bass... O God yes! The edge of bass notes have more definition. The thump is authoritative with a tight climax. I feel rumble.. The bass has texture instead of a clouded bloom... 😎

We belong together by Mariah Carey=win. Just give me ASG 2 vocals and I die a happy man.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post

Some beautiful music to run through your ASG-2, eke.. watch/listen in 720/1080p:


^
I wish the ASG 2's would just switch lows with this headphone, the rest can stay as is.


^
Lol, poor Focal.

Build quality feels quite crapy to me, very cheap toy plasticky feeling. I would seriously consider returning them for that alone If they weren't free.

I wondered if I had a good seal NIVEB but I found the ASG's isolated very well.

Note the contrast in bass reproduction was immediately apparent to me. 👍 Focal.

Also, because I found they isolate well, the seal issues I mentioned added to my confusion.
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****original post****
I'm going to add the following after some thought. It's from a message I sent someone curious what I thought of the ASG 2's. I was told it might be helpful so at the cost of my life, here you go:

[Begin]
Let me argue out loud with myself.

ME1: Bass seems nice.
ME2: Bull ****, you paid $650 to get worse bass reproduction then GR07? Stop ****ting yourself.
ME1: What are you talking about, with the port closed, they sound nicer then GR07's.
ME2: First, Debatable. Second, you paid $650 for a iem with a bass port to have better GR07's(V/BE) in one. The bass port does nothing but increase bass crapyness. It's a useless gimmick, stop deceiving myself.
ME1: But the impact is there!
ME2: Bwahahahajajaja, sure, if you increase the volume to unsafe lvls and by impact mean soft blooted thump.
ME1: Whatever me, bass is fine.
ME2: O, it's fine now, what happen to nice?
ME1: Ok, how about mids, they sound good.
ME2: So are you tactically moving on to mids now? Ok.
ME1: So mids are crap also!?
ME2: Interesting you use the word crap after talking about the bass, I didn't call it crap. Are you admitting something here? Mids sound good, nothing particularly earth shattering. Are you unhappy with GR07 mids?
ME1: Not really, I was just looking for better bass reproduction and no sibilance in a upgrade.
ME2: Well you got the latter, how's your wallet feel for it? Worth it?
Wallet: *uncontrollable cursing*
ME1: The highs, they are non-fatiguing.
ME2: I would think that should be a given but ok. Kind of like no driver flex. Were you just forcibly adding another positive in your post?
ME1: Whatever, at least they look nice!
ME2: Dude, you paid $100 to paint them and they didn't even get that right.
ME1: Fu*************K
ME2: Exactly, I'm glad we understand each other.
[Fin]

In the name of fairness, I would like to add Andy has been very professional in his emails to me. Even after the post on the finish, he remained cool and wants to correct my problem. 👍

I also need to understand, as Andy and eke pointed out, these are intended for a different audience. Some people turned out to like what I consider rather disappointing bass response, got it.

I want to also reinstate I do not recognize the problems mentioned about the mids and highs. I still think they sound good coming from GR07's. I am not blown away but I might be expecting too much. Well, I feel I should expect better for the price but who am I to understand how much hard work goes into making these products, or limiting market forces? No one, that's who.

Hopefully the peeps getting my pair will have more educated things to add of higher worth...

P.S.

Maybe this will also be useful so I'll add it. Full size vs iem, I know. Hey, I like the vocals on the ASG 2 more then Focal One.

http://youtu.be/Q3KlH3g1KI0

Back when I had my HFI 580's, I was going through my youtube subscription vids and stumbled on that vid above. 0:06-0:54 was a revelation! HFI 580's were around my start into this hobby and I was honestly impressed, first that youtube sounded this good and second that audio sounded this good, lol. The resonance was like nothing I ever heard. Her voice gave me chills, the sound of the blood flowing from his wound was shocking, the bullet casting hitting the ground was amazingly clean and detailed. I was like dear God! this must be one of my hobbies.

Why am I mentioning this you might ask? Well, I have from that point on used that vid as one of my reference points to test new gear. I would just like to add, for whatever it's worth, the ASG 2's don't produce the same effect I remember. They still sound good but a bit mellow in regard to detail, at the bullet casting for example. Now, I later found the treble a bit too fatiguing on the HFI 580's and lowered it with EQ, but I was quite happy with them. This however could be telling of what I believe I heard eke mention about some phones exaggerating highs to give the impression of more detail.

My taste have changed from that time but I can still enjoy more then one sound sig. Just not flabby bass.. *cough

I have since then also decided to go exclusively with IEM's as I; don't like the impressions headphones leave on my head, the heat create after long listening sessions(I don't want open headphones), or the limited mobility/comfort.

I would like to add GR07's also don't reproduce the same feeling with that vid. I however find them to be a great compromise. Plus; they fit like a tailored glove, don't have flabby bass, come with tips galore, have a nice matte finish(with no imperfections *Cough) that I like, and cost me $150 for my first Mk11's 😁

P.S.S.
Lindsey Stirling's Crystallize sounds very nice on the Focal One. smily_headphones1.gif

Edit:

A PM exchange reminded me of tylls experience with the AS-2's.


I don't have my ASG 2's ATM but I'm starting to wonder if the bullet casting missing detail could be a problem related to what tyll describes. A fellow head-fi'er mentioned that maybe my BA's dropped and I'm now left wondering.

Given; tylls description of the bass matches my bad experience, if I had to pick what I liked most about them, I would say vocals, and the highs are non fatiguing...

Are the BA's full range also or just for highs?

I kind of have a feeling this is just how they are tuned tho.

???

Edit 2: Note I felt like this during my entire time with the ASG 2's


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6/25/2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by dnullify View Post

Just out of curiosity how much burn in do you have? I recall when I first got mine, I fiddled with the bass port and noticed that they only made the sound bloaty and uncontrolled. Now, it actually makes an entire tonal difference. Then again I never take it past .75 open now.

Don't know how I feel about burn in but provably about 7hs

I've never heard the gr07, but what exactly about the bass response don't you like? Have you tried many different tips?

In regards to GR07's right? I enjoy the bass response and its balance with the other frequencies. I simply wondered what improvements could be had in iem's for a higher price. Also, the ASG got my attention because of the port. I wanted more quantity for the occasional dubstep track or what have you. I would still prefer less bass quantity then GR07's to the ASG 2's bloat tho. Wonder how tighter bass then GR07's sounds like, blah blah.... <-thought process

I gotta say though I find it surprising that the poor pain job got through their QC.

I agree

I personally take slight issue with the highs, and quite like the bass with the ports at ~.2 of the way past closed and the first notch. Literally as little as I can while still perceiving a difference. With larger tips than I usually use and a shallow insertion, I'm finding them much more polite and tighter.

Hmmm, read further*

Quote:
Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

You know, the ASG-2 may very well not be for you.

Sad face my friend

I'm hard pressed to find anyone else who thinks the G2's bass is "flabby" or "crappy".

Maybe something is wrong with my pair? It appears they went through 3 checks and my finish still came as it did after all...

I don't think you'll have much trouble selling your pair. The buyer may not even care about the imperfections you described.

How about after what I said above? LOL.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Fwiw I agree with Unity about the bass. I prefer the GR07's bass.

Take that ME1

Quote:
Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

No you don't tongue.gif


You found the GR07 to be far too bassy as well, especially after you got the Etys.

And you like Etys, so you don't coun't.

kidding smily_headphones1.gif


I guess I understand where he's coming from. I think he's more soured about the money he spent vs what he got in return over the GR07, which is a great performer on its own. Good thing he didn't spring for the 334.

That is for sure a factor

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Originally Posted by Theogenes View Post

Man, while I respect your opinion, Unity, I disagree pretty much across the board. I don't find the bass flabby at all-- I find it full, but impactful and lithe as any IEM I've ever heard. And as far as the 'imperfections' in the build, I understand wanting everything to be perfect-- I do too! But then again, we're talking about a $650 IEM that truly competes with $1k+ IEMs, and has better overall ergonomics to boot.

Should I really not be bothered enough about the finish I received to post it and be dissatisfied?That doesn't sound right to me. I ignore this now and little by little I start letting too much stuff go. Before I know it, I start talking about the amazing value a iem with no cable and tips is...

Do I think there are things they can do better? Sure! The case needs to be about 1/3 of an inch or so taller, there is an incredibly minor imperfection in mine that has no impact on anything, and I think they could be a bit more aesthetically pleasing. But none of these have anything to do with the sound that they produce, which I find to be an excellent balance between unbelievable technical prowess and a fun/lively sound that engages the listener.

It had an impact on my wallet. A $100 aesthetic option type impact that I'm judging for its.... aesthetics

It's absolutely okay not to like something others like-- I don't like the HD650 even a little bit, and I thought the Signature DJ just wasn't good at nearly anything that I value, and a lot of people disagree with me on those points. Eke may be right, these might just not be the best fit for ya. No worries, they're at a point now where they still aren't caught up with demand (AFAIK), and somebody would probably jump at the opportunity to take these off your hands without an extended waiting period.

In my opinion, I prefer any audio equipment I have that isn't "cost no object" (=all of it) to make compromises that affect things other than the listening experience, and I think the ASG-2 does an exceptional job with that. They nail clarity, bass impact, engagement, etc, while also getting a reasonable fit and a great cable. They could make some improvements to the accessories and whatnots that accompany the IEM, but the point is that they kicked @ss when they needed to and understood where to make intelligent compromises-- and as a result we have a world-class IEM for less than the IE800, K3003, 1plus2, etc etc.

I feel the GR07's are a intelligent compromise.$150 vs $550($650).. Hmmm

I hope this comes across as intended-- not as a confrontation to Unity, or to say "you're wrong" in any way, but simply to offer an opposing POV in a respectful way. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do, and I have a sneaking suspicion those will make someone very happy at some point-- whether it's you down the road, or someone else altogether. Or maybe I just like happy endings too much... My Asian masseuse would certain agree with that. wink.gif

If I'm wrong, I want to know. You didn't come across bad mate.

I find talk on personal preference odd at times;

"You know what, I really enjoy my sportbike with completely flat tires, it really brings out the handling during curves" "Well, I disagree with you but I understand that's just your personal preference, what bike you buying this week?"

^does that make sense cuz it's working out in my head but I can't seem to articulate it. And don't think I don't question my own "personal preference".

Quote:
Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Lol its close, but even though the GR07 is too bassy for me, it has more of the right bass imo. A better sub-bass to mid-bass ratio. But I think I'd take the mids of the ASG-2. To me I honestly put them in a similar performance bracket, with the ASG-2 ahead in some key areas.

Agree. Mumbles to self wile playing sad tiny violin.

Edit: I should add that I think the ASG-2 has a ton of potential, and if certain changes are made I think it could be much much better than the GR07.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

But that's the thing. I love it with classical and acoustic stuff, which is why I find your impressions so strange. I actually preferred it over my HD600 for classical, which is why I wasn't so devastated when my apartment was broken into and they stole the HD600 and Asgard.

The soundstage is also far from flat, and boasts the best height I've heard, and it's up there in depth. Refinement is also top class, though it's somewhat dry and not lush.

Still, I can't belittle your impressions. All I can say is to keep trying to find the right fit. The comment about the treble strikes me as strange, especially when unity, who isn't in love with the g2, found it to be non-fatiguing and smooth.

*Do you think my lower then avg listening volume is masking the issue?

Honestly, the other frequencies could be all over the place but my limited knowledge/experience causes me to only notice issues w/ the bass.
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6/26/2013
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6/30/2013
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Inks post link to measurements.
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6/31/2013
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Now I understand why UnityisPower and gnarlsagan didn't like these at all....

http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2013/07/aurisonics-asg-2.html

But Ill understand more once I listen which will be soon.

😳 Wow. ME2 is laughing his ass off at me right now(ME2: check and mate buddy!)

..... ( T_T)

I was under the impression the graph is representative of my issues. ME2 was having a field day with ME1.
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Tiny gets down addressing the measurements.

Tiny, 👍
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

It's not the scientific parts. The graphs are welcome, though the FR strikes me as erroneous in the bass and upper treble.

What is troubling is this:





tuner.jpg

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but isn't <60hz considered sub-bass?


Then,




¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

Personally just looking at the frequency response charts, I can at least say I heard 200hz - 11khz just about how it's graphed there.

Edited: down to 200, my mistake.

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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

Mids and treble measure as I'd expect them to, the treble isn't forward as people say it is, still controlled and restrained, but not restrained to the point where it becomes problematic The bass on the other hand... Well, that's what looks odd to me.

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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

It'd be pretty terrible if this pair was somehow defective just like Tyll's. I have to say though that I heard the bass to sound pretty much like the graph. I don't think if would sound as rolled off as it looks, since the mids and highs are comparatively less emphasized. The bass at 60Hz looks to be about as emphasized as the mids peak.

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

Exactly. A 20db drop off below 100hz?

Please.

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Originally Posted by kyuuketsuki View Post

The problem with the treble is the roll off, which it isn't. It is more extended than that. Most of it is OK, but dropping off before 20k is definitely not the case.

And yeah, the bass is definitely head scratching.

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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Well the drivers aren't matching, and the better driver with less roll off isn't so bad. Would you say that if both drivers measured like the good one then it'd look closer to what you're hearing?

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

I didn't notice the peach line. Yeah it's closer, but I clearly feel movement at 15hz, which isn't shown on the graph.

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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

This one doesn't look defective. It actually has more treble than the UE 900 which is something that Tyll spoke positively about, so the highs and mids aren't defective, they actually match what I heard. I've seen a pattern similar to Rin's regarding the bass on my 1.2. It didn't show a roll off, but did show a mismatch. It turned out that the porting that's done to the driver was clogged in one driver, but not the other. What it can't explain is the sudden roll off at 100-150 Hz (depending on left or right driver). My 1.3 are matched a little better than your pair as well.






A roll off starting at 100-150 Hz? That seems well off about the measurements. From what I heard, the ASG-2's bass sounds similar to that of the ASG-1 (rev 3) which I assure you doesn't roll off.


Well, the roll off does start around 8 kHz, but stays extended through the 10 kHz before it drops around 12 (?) kHz. The treble is exactly how I heard it when I demoed it, the issue is, like many have stated, the bass.

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Originally Posted by kyuuketsuki View Post

I meant to near nonexistence. The treble extension is there and exists well to 20k. It might not be prominent or forward, it is still noticeable. It struck me as odd, though definitely not as odd as the bass roll off which seems completely off.

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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

Yes, it does extend to 20kHz, the raw measurements show that.

Wait? So are the measurements representative of my issues? 😐

Note I am confused after reading some post, LOL @my life
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6/31/2013
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Coming from GR07's

Found bass slow/soft/blurry/flabby/bloated('port close<--->full blast' just sounded wrong to me), mids and highs good not great(enjoyed vocals the most), highs non-fatiguing/missing detail.

Overall, rather stay with GR07's, not happy with ASG 2's.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/1995#post_9647888

Note I try to explain to tiny my issues, he is helping me with my question! 👍

Note our talk, will bunch up here

Tiny:
You got a signature that wasn't for you. The GR07 is close to neutral, the ASG-2 is nowhere near there. I think that's where all your problems stemmed from. The ASG-2 was never made to be an "accurate" phone, rather a musical one. You are a lot like me, you prefer something that's closer to accurate, a lot of people do. There is also the crowd that likes their headphones to be colored and musical, different in a sense. That being said, I think your problems stem from sound preference rather than an actual problem with the IEM. You were looking for a specific sound, and didn't get it.

With that said, the bass can't be explained because the graph is off on the bass regions. Looking at the measurements I do not see blurry, flabby or bloated, I find light, soft and inadequate quantity. Point number one is that your subjective analysis doesn't match the objective data for the bass. Something happened to the ASG-2, I can feel it that made the measurements look off. I'll agree that the bass is slower, if you turn it down, I wouldn't say bloated or flabby. You'll have to explain more on the mids and highs not being so great. Where, why, how? The highs are non-fatiguing, I did make that statement, I also made the statement that they were backgrounded a bit signature-wise. The measurements do show missing detailing as you extend higher. It may be that the fact that the treble is recessed a little that makes it appear to lack detail as well.

Me:
"I find light, soft and inadequate quantity."

Yes with ports closed, but still sounds off. Opening ports then starts heading towards bloated and flabby.

Mids: I say good in that they sound clear(vocals) as you listen up from the bass. Maybe it's just the contrast that gives me that impression.

Highs: Yes, non fatiguing and missing detail.

"Point number one is that your subjective analysis doesn't match the objective data for the bass." How?

Tiny:
Still not detailed enough with the midrange description... It might be the contrast. As for the point number one, it's the bass that I was talking about specifically.

Me:
I'm trying tiny, like I've said, I don't know how to describe what I hear. I didn't feel I had enough experience to post my dissatisfaction and was even a bit afraid after I see what happens to those who do not assimilate
[Pic]

This is why I sent them to Rin and inks.

Tiny:
You're always free to show dissatisfaction. I know I have in the past, you do get ragged for it quite a bit and it's unfortunate. I still feel there is something off with the measurements. Could be the IEM, or a number of other factors. When I auditioned the two (ASG-1 and ASG-2) I found the bass of both similar if not exactly the same (depending on where the bass port was set to). They had the same focus and pattern of decay. The main difference, really the only difference, was the treble. That said, my measured ASG-1 (1.3 rev) show a bass focus in the lower-midbass or lower-bass (depending on driver). It rolls off slowly after, not a sharp cut-off like Rin shows.

For the midrange, the ASG-2 is very warm in nature and extremely smooth. This causes an overall warm and smooth timbre over the midrange. This may be what you found "off" about them. And you are right to state that coming from the GR07 wink.gif I'm not going to hold that against you, I can see why you feel that way. Same goes for the treble. It's an issue of different signature that probably doesn't suit you.

Note he is doing a great job in my opinion trying to work it out with me

Also, one reason I didn't put mids and highs in the "Not so great" categories was because I also felt this towards them, "It's an issue of different signature that probably doesn't suit you. " They didn't blow me away but I could see the above, the bass however seems quite bad.
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Reply in bold

I also found it sounded better* with simple music and turned into a slouch when more sounds started going at it.

*Better but still bad.

Also,


I was like O, great sub bass.... 😃
Tries them... Where? 😕
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6/31/2013
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Originally Posted by Aurisonics View Post

LOL kinda does...

Are you going to address the measurements dale?
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6/31/2013
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Not really... As I have found in over 20 years of audio engineering and testing, slight nuances in the way something is tested will cause vast anomalies or differences to occur. People perceive sound differently from person to person and from ear to ear depending on the seal you get, fit, cables, sound source and at least a hundred other variables also. Everyone has an opinion and that is perfectly fine.

Mmm Kay? Dale, look at the Tiny...
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7/1/2013
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Look at him go! And it's not even his product on the line, bravo sir. 👍
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Originally Posted by Aurisonics View Post

Sorry to hear about your bike. Never forget be careful on those things, its not you usually its the guy not paying attention or don't see you that is the problem.

Thankfully it disconnected when I was at a red light. Right after pulling the clutch in to hit first gear when the light turned green.

Yeah, I noticed people cutting me off quite a bit. I don't go out much at the moment tho(did I ever? lol). Will provably only ride for work and depositing money in my bank(40-48miles from home).

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Originally Posted by Aurisonics View Post

Not really... As I have found in over 20 years of audio engineering and testing, slight nuances in the way something is tested will cause vast anomalies or differences to occur. People perceive sound differently from person to person and from ear to ear depending on the seal you get, fit, cables, sound source and at least a hundred other variables also. Everyone has an opinion and that is perfectly fine.

So the graph is representative of how they should be tuned then?
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

That makes sense!
But to get to the level of subbass in db's comfortably on the ER4S, the midrange would likely make you deaf. If you agree with this exaggeration, then it's really apples to oranges.

Would that lvl of subbass go well with most music? I mean, I liked reading rattle your teeth bass response because I planed to use it for dubstep but would hate to be stuck at that sound sig. Is why I liked the idea of a bass port, it just turned out to be useless for me... 😕
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Can't wait to hear these...

Can't wait for you to hear them...
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Originally Posted by Aurisonics View Post

Andy sent this as a response to an email the other day. I thought he made a good point.

As for re-tuning the device - this is the sound of the ASG-2. The IEM was designed and tuned for on-stage musicians. Their "listening environment" is drastically different to the one that you are trying to put the ASG-2 into. For some users - it is exactly what they want to hear. But it isn't for everyone.

We are following the threads fairly closely over here. And we are taking customer opinion under advisement. But it remains that we have had no complaints or concerns from the pro musician community regarding the sound signature of any of the ASG-1, AS-1, ASG-2 or the AS-2. We are incredibly privileged to have our products compared to others intended for music recreation, and even audiophile experiences - but there is a limit - you can't use a NASCAR vehicle for your weekly shopping runs.

That message was sent to me. I posted a screenshot in a post farther back.
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Originally Posted by Theogenes View Post

This is pretty easily explainable as confirmation bias on your part, given there other impressions that don't match up to Rin's graphs. Not trying to be confrontational, just pointing it out. Also, I've found my impressions to line up with garnlsagan's a few times before, so I want to be clear in saying I respect his opinion and am not contesting his views.

Honestly, there seems to me to be a bit of spirit of gleeful malevolence in the critiques of Rin and yourself, rather than the affably detached perspective of someone who simply has more input to offer for the betterment of everyone. If I'm misinterpreting that, then my apologies-- but it seems like you two are a little too glad to be raining on the parade of others to be the product of a truly scientific, empirical mindset.

To be clear, my G-2s sound just as great now as they did before the latest flurry of activity around Rin's graphs (as long as I don't plug them into the D100). My only other thought is that I'd like to try out one of the higher-end Etys at some point to see what a really flat, reference IEM sounds like, as I do tend to like that sound in my other gear.

Ok, I'm going to put my self on the chopping table again.

Wait... Let me put the last wall set on my fort:
-/^^^^^^\-
.|....[_]...|. []\(•_• /)[]

I've also tried to express my dissatisfaction with these phones as best and fairly as I can. However, I truthfully feel like saying "as a package and for the price, ASG 2's are crap". How's that?

-/^^^^^^\-
.|...[•_•]..|. "\(*o* ) "\(*o* ) "\(*o* )

Not only am I afraid of head-fi wrath, I don't feel experience enough, didn't want eke to never speak to me again, and wanted to make sure it wasn't just me and I was being fair.
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Originally Posted by kyuuketsuki View Post

I always find that it's in the presentation rather than the criticism itself. Naturally people will want to defend what they bought and enjoy, but if someone makes fair and reasonable points it seems to be more welcomes than overtly critical or harsh.

Everyone is welcome to their own opinion, but how one presents their opinions plays a large role in how their opinion will be received.

See above, lol.

I wanted to like these but I just can't.

I was honestly just sitting there shaking my head wile listening to music, thinking to myself: nope, I just can't accept this, it sounds so wrong-nope! nope! I can't do it. *sad face ensues
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

True. The problem is not everyone can afford expensive food and not have reliable reviews on said places to eat biggrin.gif. But it's just the way the cookie crumbles here. It takes experience in both the good and bad to gauge this place in terms of making purchases reliably. This is regarding the hobby as a whole.

And I failed. A sad sad $650 failure 😣
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Originally Posted by klfl View Post

The problem of subjective opinion is a lot of people lack the ability to accurately describe the sound they hear and this can be very misleading for others. This ability takes both talent and experience, how many phones one own or how long a person is in the hobby does not always indicate their appreciation skill level.

Sounds legit. Feel I'm one of them #lacksexperience

P.S. maybe this will also be helpfull.

I once took my HFI 580's to my bros house so he could try them. What I witness was him maxing his iPhone volume wile listening to his music. I sat there thinking to my self OMG! I could hear the music pouncing away at his eardrums wile sitting beside him.

It's not just him, most people I ask listen at higher lvls then myself. I even had one head-fi'er say my preferred volume lvl sounded dead to him on ASG 2's. He/they can comment on the pic below if they like.



I really rather not mess up my hearing tho, 😕
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7/1/2013
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I don't think anybody will agree with me dale, at least not to the same degree... I think.

Sad face....

Tiny:
I can agree and see your point with the mids and treble, that's an easy one to see and explain. The one I still can't explain is how dipped the sub-bass is (only explanation is a loss or seal or defective part on ASG-2)... That's what's baffling everyone. I'll trust that you're hearing what you're hearing.

Better but still sad face...
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7/1/2013
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/2250#post_9667578

Dale, I would like a refund.
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7/1/2013
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I want to be as transparent as possible. I'm also in the awkward position of keeping an expensive product I dislike. I was also told I should have contacted aurisonics about the finish before posting it as well.. Who's awkwardness wins?

Fiio has in contrast hit base with customers that have problems, publicly. I want to hold Aurisonics to the same standards.

Say I contacted them by email, I would still come back here and post what happens.

I am not out to get Aurisonics. I even posted Andy has been great in our communications, and he has, one of the best I've experienced.

Seeing dales response, I will send him a PM but I stand by what I said.

Not only am I worried about QC now(are we all even getting the same iem?), I again asked dale to address the measurements.
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7/1/2013
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/2265#post_9667766

Let me re post this:

"As to my experience vs yours, I read a post on this site that goes something like this I believe: It's not what is done when everything goes well but what happens when something doesn't. This is when you truly see the true nature of the company your dealing with."

Regarding Tpeos eke... I wanted to ask for a refund but when did he finally respond to my 3 emails? When Wayne was ready to purchase them. Plus what you helped me with made me feel quite bad... (Email response you got the next day).

I remember calling about $15 jbuds dying and they shipped me a new one the same day... I had them for almost a year. Have people grown to expect so little from so much?

BTW, I'm not saying I demand a refund or your company is horrible. How he replies is very important. So far, I'm very happy with customer service.
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7/1/2013
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/2265#post_9667793

Bird, say I send them a email about a refund, should I post what happens?
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

Bird?? Oh well, nvm.

Yes, nothing wrong with posting what happens. BUT, don't forget that if you don't get a refund, that doesn't necessarily mean Aurisonics didn't do the right thing, UNLESS they'd specifically offered a refund in the first place if not happy with their product.

I understand, yes.... bird
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7/1/2013
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Originally Posted by Mini0510 View Post

You can probably sell the ASG-2 for $450 or even $500. Someone sold one for $500 a month ago.

Thought experiment for you:

Imagine I didn't have someone like rin to measure these iem's and put them up for sale. Say the person that buys them does have the equipment. He test them on arrival and gets back to me in a quite unhappy mood about his $550 purchase.

When I sold my H200's to Wayne, I made it clear what I thought. One could say I was even stopping my own sale with my messages.

I do not want to pass/sell someone defective/bad iem's. Wayne was stressful enough for me and I was personally ready to give him a full refund if not happy. This is just how I feel.

A headfi'er is PMing me about my refund post and he sounds reasonable to me. I'm fighting with ME2 atm but think my post will stay.

Edit: The thought experiment specifics were not great but my point was: I don't want to sell/pass on to others the stress of receiving a possibly defective pair.

Note dales response didn't quite inspire confidence.
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7/1/2013
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If he said I am not happy and would like my money back, I would give him his money back. I bet you would like to purchase stuff from me, no...

All this 'he could, you could' is drivel!
Jk vwinter... Jk. Don't hatez me too bro

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LO Freaking L
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7/1/2013
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Originally Posted by Carlsan View Post

Sorry for double posting this, but not everyone here reads the SD3 thread where I first put this up.

A few thoughts after listening to the ASG2 and the SD3.
On tracks like this one: http://www.beatport.com/track/runaway-original/3240216 basically deep house, the bass is much deeper on the ASG2, and it goes real deep, like in the club standing next to the bass speaker deep.It's just insane deep.

Another track:


So the ASG2 is better right??
Well, yes and no. The SD3 seems to handle it differently because it doesn't go as deep. The bass on the ASG2 sometimes gives the sound a fog, while the SD3 is more neutral in that regard.

and one more:



With this song, the ASG2 handles the subbass very well indeed, not so much the SD3.

But life isn't all subbass, right? I'll try to post some more observations of the two earphones over the weekend.

I PM'ed carlsan about the ASG 2's and his post for me either means; I'm crazy or my pair really does have problems.

I would prefer the latter but I am ready to accept the former.
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7/1/2013
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Thanks kyu.

http://beatsantique.bandcamp.com/album/collide

Track # 2. How do you hear the ASG 2's perform overall? Anything seem odd with the bass?

Note replies

Kyu:
From initial listening, I really don't hear any real issues. At first I thought the timbre was off, then I tested against several other headphones (RE400 and M-100) and they played the bass in a similar timbre. (I really suppose I'm not used to that sort of electronic mixing)

At first I thought that some notes weren't coming through, but this doesn't seem to be the case listening on any other headphone.

CarlSan:
I listened to it, and granted, I'm not sure about what I was suppose to hear but it sounded fine to me.
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7/4/2013
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

i surely pity that UnityS did not like ASG because he came from H200 which i like a lot and which he did not like as well but... i never asked him to love H200 and i am well Ok he decide to sell it because this is his choice. what pains me here is that Unity did not notice from early beginning that many people loving ASG also think H200 is good IEM and that had to be a warning signal for him because from what i hear he seems not to like particular coloration and music presentation type on these IEMs. this means that neither of them will be good for him.

•I really like the H200's sound, I sold them cuz of comfort and driver flex. I would in-fact place them a little higher then my GR07's in enjoyment(tho I've spent much more time with the 07's). I would still have trouble picking one over the other tho, sound wise.
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

Also well stated but not totally sure where is the "correction"...

I can see how you think Unity might not made the most informed purchase decision but that doesn't made him less credible about how he subjectively feel about the product.

•I can see that also, lol. #retrospect

Personally I feel he is not having vicious intention by giving his opinion on performance vs value. I don't necessary agree with his assessment but he has all the rights to state them and I personally never felt it is excessively snarky nor rude. Afterall he isn't purporting to be a professional reviewer nor runs an analysis blog etc I honestly can't expect another member to toned his opinions in a more neutral or any particular manner. I personally try to write "more thoughfully" than giving rash comments (positive or negative ones) as I think that is a more effective communication style (and many members here do that better most of the times, yourself included) but I won't expect everyone having the same approach and I would make my own judgement how to interpret everyone's comment as I read them.

•Great! What parts specifically do you disagree with mate? Can you quote them?
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

i am not disputing Unity and his right to his opinion. i know Unity is very open and honest chap and it pains me seeing him going through this. i know he does this out of his sincere belief and i find nothing wrong with that.

one issue i try mention here is that it's not only Unity but others around and me including, we all make mistakes from time to time and cost of mistake pains. that said i must admit many products are good products but not all are for my taste. take excellent Mytek DSD DAC, many people with mega buck systems love it while i did not and so gave it back to the seller. does it stop Mytek from being a good DAC? no way. does it mean this was not for me? yes you can bet it was not.

so if the product is not cutting it for me i would put my reasons and mention my personal bias.

anyway, lets move on and i wish Unity would find a good way with Aurisonics to overcome this sad issue. from what i heard Aurisonics are serious professionals and i am sure they can help here. perhaps there was some mistake on the user part in process of contact. sometimes we become too demanding and do not understand that there are also humans sitting on the other end working for the company making this gear. so some humbleness and patience can be rewarding.

1•They have been quite professional so far.

2•Perhaps, yes.

3•I wasn't demanding a refund. Like I also stated, "how he replies is very important". How they responded was also why I asked for a refund BTW.

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Originally Posted by MoonYeol View Post

Umm. Treat others like you want them to treat you?

It's been an interesting read. I also wonder what eke got banned for. The two ideas about sending Rin another pair of ASG-2 and asking Unity to send his pair to Aurisonics sounds like a good idea to me.
I always try to be a bit pragmatic and solve things the easiest way possible. We also need to take a step back and start respecting what other people are saying and also make it clear that what we are saying are personal opinions and not facts (if that is true for said statement).

•Yup

I'm also wondering about the sub bass and higher treble. Doesn't innerfidelity specifically point out that <100Hz and >10kHz are frequencies where the measurements may not be correct? Just thinking out loud. Don't quote me on that.

•This post is interesting:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/1995#post_9647399
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Originally Posted by LCfiner View Post

This sounds awful to me. And seems like such a bad idea for readers of the site I can’t even tell if you’re being sarcastic.

People who are curious to read about a headphone to figure out if they should spend money to buy one should be able to read all types of information in a general equipment thread and not have it censored into some type of non-representative love-in.


•Get um LCfiner! Lol

Rin’s graphs do not affect your appreciation for the headphone. But they are useful for people who do know what types of sound signatures they like to get an idea of whether they would appreciate the headphone in question.

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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

Guys let us not have the same discussion over and over again. Everyone agrees that measuring headphones is a useful tool (well apart from me, I care nothing about measurement as long as an iem makes me happy). What people do not like is the following, SYSTEMATIC behaviour: "this iem that you seem to love measures horribly according to one set of measurements so it must sound like crap and you are a deluded fool for liking it. Oh and you cannot answer anything because the measurements I refer to are undisputable scientific facts so I have Descartes on my side." I do have to admit, quite begrudgingly, that Inks much improved his communication skills in that respect and did say that he would listen to the ASG2 to confirm the measurements. So in my opinion, much of the heated debate also stems from past experience and the apprehension of seeing a peaceful thread ruined like many in the past.

•I don't read inks like that intentional(I think) exaggeration but maybe not read enough by him?

•I have enjoyed the post I've read from inks so far. Aldo I can see your point from some of his post, I think he calls it how he sees it. I also asked inks before my purchase for advice on what to buy, given I like the GR07's, something balanced to slightly U shaped, and just whatever he finds good below $600. I wasn't just looking for one specific sound sig.


•I also didn't just ask eke or two people about the ASG 2's(and tried to ask but failed with some of my messages apparently lol) but eke was the person that gave me the confidence to hit that "send payment" button.
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Originally Posted by TheGame21x View Post

I absolutely despise this idea. Why should there be a disconnect between objective and subjective criticisms of an earphone? I completely agree that graphs are hardly the be all end all and earphones can sound great to some on a purely subjective level even if they graph "poorly" but on that same token, we can't just disregard objective criticisms and relegate them to another forum.

I feel like I'm walking on eggshells saying this but I think people should be more open to objective (or as objective as we can get) criticisms of products, even if they don't confirm what we may think or align with our subjective perceptions of a particular product.

Sound good to me.
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Originally Posted by LFC_SL View Post

I think you guys have illustrated my point. As the other member said, it is rather an inability to read other posts as responders are entrenched in their position and seek only to reinforce their view, combining to result in endless pages of non-progressive circular posts.

Assuming my observation has stuck a few home truths I'll stay in the background pending EU distribution going live

(T_T) hmmm
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7/4/2013
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/2430#post_9676407
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

Who knows, the problem there as I see it is a lack of healthy skepticism in regard to experimental results, to not even making a note to question either the results or the test subject if the there was anecdotal "evidence" to the contrary.

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The numbers themselves are fact but they only reflect test setup, conditions, and subjects, and as such are only a mirror, or maybe even a vessel.

But I'm not %100 sure the numbers are fact. I have reasonable trust Rin knows what he is doing and so ask dale for a refund with the understanding that my experience with the sound was not all in my head. Why not just wait for andy to check them for issues first as some pointed out? Sounds reasonable to me as well... What gives?

I asked dale to comment on the measurements expecting he would immediately know if they looked off. When he commented the following(maybe that wasn't him?) I felt a little dodged. I then decided to ask him for a refund.


"Not really... As I have found in over 20 years of audio engineering and testing, slight nuances in the way something is tested will cause vast anomalies or differences to occur. People perceive sound differently from person to person and from ear to ear depending on the seal you get, fit, cables, sound source and at least a hundred other variables also. Everyone has an opinion and that is perfectly fine."

Again pushed for more info here:


If inks reports back that my ASG 2's are fine, and I simply did not like the sound, I think the refund should not be given. Andy gave me an option for a demo pair, I decided to purchase them strait up from my talks with eke. That is an option I had and decided not to use. The finish however should still be repaired.

Nothing wrong with my ASG-2's?... Dale answers my question?... I don't ask for refund.

I wait for Andy to correct my issues with the finish and give them another try. No dice? I put them up for sale at a loss. The ASG 2 continues its world domination.

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Found interesting:

James444
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/1995#post_9647399

http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/2490#post_9677889

SGS
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/2025#post_9649294

Music_4321
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-sd3-1plus2-tg334-senn-ie800-flat-4-sui-rdb-2v1/2520#post_9681686

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OMG iOS! If I would have deleted all that by accident, I would have taken all those years of bottled up anger and just..... just...

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ [•_• ] *My friend wall looks on in horror.

Followed by imploding into non-existence.

"(ಠ益ಠ)"... <•o•>... ----... -... [*_* ].

Edited by UnityIsPower - 7/3/14 at 12:50am
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