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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

I've been trying to make heads or tails of those max and min tolerances for a while. So does this imply that in that critical area, depending on the people, there could be differences of upto 4db between how people hear a portion of that range?

 

I'm sure Rin doesn't mind me citing him from our PM exchange:

 

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Everyone's hears slightly differently, and that is why the "scientifically-proven" diffuse field reference has a tolerance set. You can't simply satisfy everyone with just one single setting.
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Plenty of knowledge circulating here. It's beautiful.


 

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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

as concerns spicy food your claim made me curious, how you manage to eat that without letting food touch your back throat? really, if you could explain because i try imagine this and .... ROFL

 

Ha. Well, you just try to avoid the food getting to the back of your throat while chewing. It contains the burning sensation to just your tongue, and prevents the more extreme burn. Also try to swallow in one quick motion. 

 

Go try it!

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Aha! Thanks James! beerchug.gif

Great thread. I even learned something today. biggrin.gif
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Everyone's hears slightly differently, and that is why the "scientifically-proven" diffuse field reference has a tolerance set. You can't simply satisfy everyone with just one single setting.

 

That there is the key word. Yes, it is impossible for every human to hear everything perfectly and exactly the same. However the question was would that impact how people would hear headphones, and frankly while the magnitude might be enough to be audible or at the very least measurable, it isn't enough to create an entirely different perception of any given gear. The overall deviation is pretty small.


Edited by kyuuketsuki - 6/24/13 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by kyuuketsuki View Post

 

That there is the key word. Yes, it is impossible for every human to hear everything perfectly and exactly the same. However the question was would that impact how people would hear headphones, and frankly while the magnitude might be enough to be audible or at the very least measurable, it isn't enough to create an entirely different perception of any given gear. The overall deviation is pretty small.

 

Well, everyone can easily judge for themselves how small or large they consider a 4db difference in the midrange, just fire up your equalizer and try it. For example, I posted an A/B comparison between the 1plus2 and K3003 last week, in which I found their mids to be close within 2-3db, but their difference in vocal presence was still clearly audible, K3003 being the more intimate of the two. After EQing the 1plus2 up by 2-3db, vocal timbre became almost indistinguishable from the K3003's.

 

Actually, the 4db corridor even suggests there might be more deviation for a few individuals, as it most likely represents a confidence interval. It's hard to estimate without knowing the statistical parameters involved, but suffice to say that usually only a certain fraction / percentage of the population is contained within the confidence interval. Which means, if your particular HRTF happens to be at the edge of the bell (or whatever) curve, your deviation may well be even larger than 4db.


Edited by james444 - 6/24/13 at 3:31pm
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EXCELLENT last few posts, james444!

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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

vwinter, i see where you coming from, but sometimes i feel too much terminology kills emotion and impression.

lets take Eke example about food, i go eating in a good peasant restaurant and order duck, it tastes great very fresh and comes with red cabbage marinated in home red wine honey with potato damplings again home made. Then next week i visit Michelin star restaurant and they have roasted duck too and since i love eating duck i order one, this time however this duck is prepared in very different way in two serves, one is rose fried steamed breast and the second serve is duck leg meat in mint-lime-mustard sauce.

since i equally enjoyed both what termins i have to give as to describe accurately my experience?

I recently had some amazing duck, also with a mustard based sauce and poached rhubarb. Many places don't make duck very well unfortunately, but I find myself ordering it more these days if it's on the menu. biggrin.gif

Aaanyway,
I'm not saying you should change anything. I was more enjoying having a discussion. smile.gif I certainly don't suggest you do anything that would hurt your enjoyment of this wonderful hobby.

I was sort of talking about what I've noticed about our increasingly argumentative community here, and offered up one possible reason for the disconnect between the expectations formed in people's minds and the post and impressions that create them.

To go with your example and use it to further expound on what I was trying to say:

It wouldn't matter that you enjoyed both meals equally as a level of satisfaction. My proposition is that enjoyment could be an inference or a subset of the perception of sound and it's description.

So, you could talk about what each dish was like, the balance of sauces, if they were savory or tangy or sweet, what texture they had, the interplay between them and the meat, or the starch or greens on the plate. You could talk about how the duck was cut or cooked, the size of the portions, the balance of the different elements on the plate. Was there too much potato gratin in relation to the duck? Was it thinly sliced or thickly slice potato? Did the top brown? where was it placed? Was the duck on top of it or to the side. Was the sauce more minty or limey? Did you have to dip the duck in it or was it served already covered? Was it a thin sauce or a thick sauce?

All the while you could say why you prefer or disliked each descriptive element. And you could even have a section on how the harmony of it all just sang to you. How you were so satisfied that you burst in the the kitchen and hugged the chef, promising to be back soon, how that one meal changed your life.

... Now I'm hungry.

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EXCELLENT last few posts, james444!

Edited by vwinter - 6/24/13 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

 

Well, everyone can easily judge for themselves how small or large they consider a 4db difference in the midrange, just fire up your equalizer and try it. For example, I posted an A/B comparison between the 1plus2 and K3003 last week, in which I found their mids to be close within 2-3db, but their difference in vocal presence was still clearly audible, K3003 being the more intimate of the two. After EQing the 1plus2 up by 2-3db, vocal timbre became almost indistinguishable from the K3003's.

 

Actually, the 4db corridor even suggests there might be more deviation for a few individuals, as it most likely represents a confidence interval. It's hard to estimate without knowing the statistical parameters involved, but suffice to say that usually only a certain fraction / percentage of the population is contained within the confidence interval. Which means, if your particular HRTF happens to be at the edge of the bell (or whatever) curve, your deviation may well be even larger than 4db.

 

 

I'm sorry, I don't think I was clear. The HRTF curve deviation between people is generally not large. It can be large, but honestly, there is no way to tell if it is individual hearing or personal preferences. However I'm going to read up on HRTF because my knowledge is limited of it. I know basics, but nothing specific.

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Vwinter, my apologies sir. I wish that was the case tho, lol. I'm still stuck waiting for a paypal refund to clear. Don't want to pull money from my bank account and only have $530 in paypal balance! My total is around $555! Cruel cruel world!

I asked him if he could get the process started if I send him(Andy) $530 now, the rest when refund clears(now 2-3 days or sooner). It's fine if he can't do that tho, just want to get the process started ASAP! Around two weeks.... 😭😢 I might just pull from my bank... 😁

The recent post are fascinating BTW!
One of you guys adopt me as your brother! I'll clean your house and cook. Please 😍
Edited by UnityIsPower - 6/24/13 at 4:21pm
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I just picked up my ASG-2 from the post office after having it out on a mini loan tour for the last couple of weeks.

 

Damn, I forgot how good they sound.

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Actually, the 4db corridor even suggests there might be more deviation for a few individuals, as it most likely represents a confidence interval.

I call them 'the 4 decibelers'.
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Oh, and I can't imagine a world where the 334 has more treble than the ASG-2.

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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

lets take Eke example about food, i go eating in a good peasant restaurant and order duck, it tastes great very fresh and comes with red cabbage marinated in home red wine honey with potato damplings again home made. Then next week i visit Michelin star restaurant and they have roasted duck too and since i love eating duck i order one, this time however this duck is prepared in very different way in two serves, one is rose fried steamed breast and the second serve is duck leg meat in mint-lime-mustard sauce.
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Do you ever loan your stuff G? Do you charge? Time limit?
Edited by UnityIsPower - 6/24/13 at 6:36pm
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I found out that when the bass port is closed it is still not fully close, I am experimenting now how the closing of that breathing hole impacts the bass, others perhaps can check this too. 

EDIT: How embarrassing, I just realized I had my bass port opened all the way instead of all the way close. I need to mark where the fully closed port is.


Edited by audionewbi - 6/24/13 at 7:24pm
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Maybe it's on purpose to prevent driver flex. Andy talked about DF a little in our emails.
Edited by UnityIsPower - 6/24/13 at 6:59pm
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