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post #3961 of 6782
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Originally Posted by MoonYeol View Post

Yeah, so far the bass valve doesn't really increase the sub bass. It just makes it bloated.

My ASG-2 are out and about for now, but I can already imagine how Ben Howard's album sounds on them. On my R-50 (which are the only ones I have at home) the songs were clear, detailed, quite spacious and airy. But really, acoustic guitars are one of the G-2's strong instruments. Making them sound more like when you're playing yourself, getting all the low end fed back to you through the body of the guitar, hearing that full and brilliant sound. I miss my ASG-2...

Guitars carry a good thickness or weight on the ASG from my time with the instrument. I hope people don't get the wrong impression, I feel the ASG's sound nice but because of the price, as a package I don't find them worth it personally. I was quite happy with the H200's but still sold them cuz of driver flex and comfort. The price and sound matched better on the h200's for me then I think it does on the ASG...

I think eke did a good job with what poor wording he was given when I looked to him for advice. It's just I don't truly know how much the jump he talks about is until I try it. As someone said a WHILE back, I can read and read but in the end, "I'm looking at you through the glass".
post #3962 of 6782
Unityls, i guess ASG2 is just not your cup of tea, sorry this happens to all of us from time to time. I can imagine your prefer crystal clear morning breeze to dark cigar smelling club lounge ... ASG2 was not meant to be the last detail monster but a lovely hooligan bringing out emotions and reminding us what music is all about, plus voices which lean towards life real reproduction. So hearing you now i understand where your complaints coming from and from what i hear ASG2 will not cut it for you. Happy you to have brand new ASG2 which you can resell with minimum loss and spend pennies on something more fit for you.

Believe me mate, if you do not like something there is no point in trying to convince yourself.
post #3963 of 6782
Gin....
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I can imagine your prefer crystal clear morning breeze to dark cigar smelling club lounge

Winning!
post #3964 of 6782

What is it about these IEMs that seem to bring out the poet in reviewers? The past several comparisons have been very poetic... Not that it is bad... just interesting.

post #3965 of 6782
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by UnityIsPower View Post

Sure mate. I don't have either at the moment but take this vid I talked about a wile back.

http://youtu.be/Q3KlH3g1KI0
0:06-0:54

I think the ASG 2 does a better job then the GR07 with the sense of air in the voice but the GR07 gets closer to the detail I remember on my HFI 580 at 0:28 and 0:41 for example.

 

Ok, I played the clip a few times on the G2, then a few times on the GR07.

 

I can't say I agree with the 07 having more detail in any sense at all. On top of that, the soundstage of the G2 trounces the limited depth and height of the 07. After the second gunshot, you can hear the thunderous echo roll off into the distance with the G2, while the 07's interpretation sounds a good deal more "faked".

 

Adding to that is the treble spike of the 07. When the spent shell hits the floor after the second shot, it is very accentuated on the 07. It also doesn't have the low level detail of the G2.

 

I listened all the way down to the part where he said "bitches be crazy", right after the plenty of gunshots. Not only did they G2 render the shots with more detail and reverb, but the soundstage was again much better than that of the G2.

 

 

IDK man, maybe we have our terminologies mixed up.

post #3966 of 6782
Thread Starter 

To add to my above post, I feel everything that has been discussed about the G2 was mentioned in my original review, especially the bass. I mentioned that the true focus of the sound lies in the midrange, which remains among the best I've heard. I also mentioned that it's not exactly a very low volume listening phone, though it retains its signature extremely well all the way down. 

 

Furthermore, the G2 is extremely transparent to the mastering of a track. I have several dynamically limited tracks that don't sound nearly as good as my better mastered tracks. By mastering, I don't mean bitrate, rather the quality. I have 192kbps MP3s that sound better than some FLAC files I have. For instance, the Ben Howard album sounds much better than The Lumineers album, even though The Lumineers is my favorite album of the year.

 

Lastly is the issue of the bass port. That was also mentioned. 

 

I just felt like I should write this post so it doesn't seem like I was out to mislead people. Whatever I write is exactly what I hear. I think I've been around long enough to be discerning with phones, and I'm eloquent enough to put those thoughts to words. One can also look at the impressions that I've cataloged in the OP.

 

Imo, the Unity-Inks-Rin saga has gone on long enough. What is now confirmed as a faulty pair of iems has sparked far too many pages of discussion/arguments. Also, Unity and I obviously value different things in sound if he finds the GR07 or H-200 to be better than the G2. I've seen impressions from H20Fidelity, who says how the G2 soundly beats the H-200 even though the H-200 is his preferred signature.

 

Just sayin'

:popcorn: 


Edited by eke2k6 - 10/29/13 at 4:40pm
post #3967 of 6782
Yeah iirc I found the ASG-2 to be more detailed than the GR07. I'll be able to offer direct comparisons very soon though.
post #3968 of 6782
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Originally Posted by crushnburn46 View Post
 

Guys, is there anyone out here than can compare asg2 with shure 846 in terms of day-to-day usage? i have asg2 already but somehow i cant convince myself to be contented with these pair. bass texture is somewhat too much despite of all tweaks.... too much reverb as well compare to my w4r which is tight and well controlled. pls need help!

Hahaha tried it already. With bass filter on...it sounded muffled compared to the asg-2. the se846 was suppose to be my upgrade iem after the asg-2 but after a session with it...the asg-2 ranked higher. With the bass filter on it was muffled the treble was ok the mids where unastounding and the bass...more like an electronic fart machine...was extremely disappointed with it. When i switched to the treble filter things lightened up it sound clearer but still quite muffled compared to the asg-2. Then they let me try out this prototype cable for the se846 which did the spectrum a world of good. bass reverd and decay was improved the mids was unchanged but the treble performed adding close to the same amount of detail that the ASG-2 gave me. 

It only seemed to do rock song better than the asg-2 " they sounded nicer with the 846 cuz of the tuning but there was more intimacy and great vocals from the asg-2 its just the sig of the 846 more fit rock" 

other than that i would have pegged the 846 as a $400 IEM in the same area as the ER4s , um3x , tf10 , westone 3 etc... very poorly priced at $1000 goes to show that shure was trying to ride the "more drivers = bettersound"  wave they were trying to aim for iems in that price range but really failed at it. 

Some even say that thier reshelled 535 with 1 driver extra sounded better than the 846...though id take that with a pinch of salt. 

My review for the 846 

PRICE: POOR

BUILD: EXCELLENT 

SOUND "In regards to the [price] POOR. but in a blind test it would be 9/10 if it was in the $500 range 

Highs: sibilant but does give a very good crystal sound to it. 

Mids: better for rock song reccessed 

Bass/lows: Sub bass is decay is way to fast and bass presence is there but seems to lack "co-ordination ?" sounds like when you place your hand on a speaker diaphragm. but better than most $400 range IEMs...

 

DO TAKE WHAT I SAY WITH QUITE ABIT OF SALT. As I usually play with upper tier gear so what is "good" for some people is not so good to me. 

post #3969 of 6782
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


ER4S. All frequencies are represented more evenly than any other iem I've heard.

IM just waiting for the ER5S then hahahaha with improvement across the board ! =P =) 

post #3970 of 6782
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Originally Posted by Nukeshock View Post
 

DO TAKE WHAT I SAY WITH QUITE ABIT OF SALT. As I usually play with upper tier gear so what is "good" for some people is not so good to me. 

 

Thanks! I think that's exactly what we need. Someone who has heard more iems at the price point and preferably also below. Because $1000 is quite an investment. If they turn out to perform poorly considering that price and that perhaps a IE800 or the somewhat more expensive k3003, F334 or 1p2  would be a better buy, Many would be quite disappointed if they already own one or more. 

 

Now, The Shures are probably a bit more about the whole package and performing in noisy environments. I think someone said that they're now focusing more on the professional crowd rather than audio enthusiasts.

post #3971 of 6782
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

To add to my above post, I feel everything that has been discussed about the G2 was mentioned in my original review, especially the bass. I mentioned that the true focus of the sound lies in the midrange, which remains among the best I've heard. I also mentioned that it's not exactly a very low volume listening phone, though it retains its signature extremely well all the way down.

 

Furthermore, the G2 is extremely transparent to the mastering of a track. I have several dynamically limited tracks that don't sound nearly as good as my better mastered tracks. By mastering, I don't mean bitrate, rather the quality. I have 192kbps MP3s that sound better than some FLAC files I have. For instance, the Ben Howard album sounds much better than The Lumineers album, even though The Lumineers is my favorite album of the year.

 

Lastly is the issue of the bass port. That was also mentioned.

 

I just felt like I should write this post so it doesn't seem like I was out to mislead people. Whatever I write is exactly what I hear. I think I've been around long enough to be discerning with phones, and I'm eloquent enough to put those thoughts to words. One can also look at the impressions that I've cataloged in the OP.

 

Imo, the Unity-Inks-Rin saga has gone on long enough. What is now confirmed as a faulty pair of iems has sparked far too many pages of discussion/arguments. Also, Unity and I obviously value different things in sound if he finds the GR07 or H-200 to be better than the G2. I've seen impressions from H20Fidelity, who says how the G2 soundly beats the H-200 even though the H-200 is his preferred signature.

 

Just sayin'

:popcorn:

 

+1 on ASG2 vs. H200, i found it the same way.

 

what i can see however ASG2 are pretty special IEM and no universal do it everything IEM. still ASG2 delivers smooth and well extended tones, perhaps except for the upper mids where some sort of drop of i note similar to James444. H200 is a champion for the price but it will not be able to unseat ASG2 in tonal refinement. overall ASG2 has more seamless presentation with blacker smoother space which gives notes better decay and reverb. where H200 has a slight edge is neutrality and trebles.... not all that much but just slightly better.

 

and conceptually they are two different IEMs, ASG2 is more forward in your face sounding and puts you right in the middle of the stage while H200 is more laid back and puts you in the front rows instead. H200 stage is more 2D with good detail and nice depth while ASG increases depth and height to images putting stronger 3D presentation. what some may not like is ASG2 too forward sounding which some might confuse for lesser detail while detail is there.

post #3972 of 6782
A lot of it has to do with sound signature preference and frequencies. I found the IE8 to be crap because of its tonality. The GR07, to me, has a better tonal balance than ASG-2. But is just left in the dust, sounding boring and very 2D with grainy mids. The same effect can be had when going from the GR07 to VC02. Bot sound perfectly fine but trading down you will hear some grain before your brain readjusts.
post #3973 of 6782
Just to clarify, I find this replacement set to sound nice. However, the degree to which I can agree with some of the things eke hears is really in small(small) refinements.

When I listened to that Ben Howard song back to back, the G2 sounded as if the vocals and instruments had a bit of air around them. Switching to the GR07's right after removed this small(small) layer of air but I found the instruments just as detailed and only vocals to sound a bit(a bit) less clear in comparison. I said the H200's sounded cleaner in the lows(in the lows) and that I liked the presentation(presentation) better on the other phones(for the lows(the lows). This isn't saying the other phones are technically better in all regards compared to the G2, infact I'll consider the second one preference more then technical ability. Then again I could be mixing preference for technical ability and what have you... "You got a signature that wasn't for you".

Why "with some of the things"?
It might just be a terminology problem, or we might just hear the phones differently(literally), but I am using the HFI 580's as a reference. That part of the vid where the shell hits the ground sounded absolutely crystal clear(and so magnificent) to me on the 580's. When I was abb'ing the ASG, I didn't hear the sound of the casting with the same pin droping clarity or detail. Maybe the 580 are actually artificial sounding and I think this lean toward "fake",as eke describes in the GR07, gives me the impression of more detail? Maybe I'm deceiving myself on what I remember of the 580's and I need to get yet another pair to bring me down to earth?

Again however, I can roll with vocals being more detailed on the G2's, the degree to which I think they are would however remain small in comparison. How small? Small enough were I would rather just sell the G2's and keep my 07's(cough*).

Pls remember however that I'm rating as a package here. This phone was going to replace my GR07 BE which I was already quite(quite) happy with. When I message eke, I read his post a number of times. Again, and he is pointing this out, I find he did a good job detailing the ASG 2's as the only thing I really find contention with is currently treble detail. The degree to which everything else is correct, or the size of the improvement, is too small for what I paid. Everyone values things differently however and I can picture people really liking this sound. The first pair however was slapped to shame by the performance of the lows.

When u say "Unity-Inks-Rin saga", this does bother me a bit as I'm trying to simply express what I've heard. One of the reasons I've shiped these phones out, and shiped the H200 to you for review, is that I respect what all of you have to say more than myself. I don't feel like I have a clear picture of what I'm trying to express or the articulation to express it(whatever it is) well. I've backed out of a tour for reasons of stress because on the above and am trying to keep calm for another one in which I was placed.

To recap, the new set sounds nice to me. Given what I've experience in the GR07's now $130 package... It's just not worth it for me personally. In other word, this item presents a low value to performance ration in my eyes(ears). When eke started comparing them to much more expensive phones, I got excited wondering what this tier has to offer...

In retrospect however, I should have grabed the offer Andy gave me for a demo pair first... you know, before I put down $650 of my life.

Live and learn it is then...

I could imaging all the other tour members really liking these phones tho' lach/tyll, them Momentum sounded quite clouded to me, and so, bad...
Edited by UnityIsPower - 10/30/13 at 2:35am
post #3974 of 6782

Unityls, nothing wrong about your post or opinion. things happen, and this hobby is so highly subjective that is difficult to tell what will be sounding best. as a matter of fact we listen to different music, prefer different sig and put emphasis on different things. so opinions will vary and there is nothing wrong about them. all i could tell is i find H200 a little bit grainer greyish if you wish and less instrument separation despite large stage. still if you ask me i will tell you for me H200 is magic for the price which i will keep no matter i have now better IEMs. H200 is perfect companion for casual listening and while riding. unlike you i never cared about driver flex because this is so minimal and happens only when you press shells so hard, also check out many find H200 are shallow insertion IEMs and do not require pressing too much, rather careful tips selection is needed. and as i said ASG2 is funnily a special product, i do not know if Aurisonics had something like this in their minds, but they did something really funny and special and in some way unique... i remember people loving Shure for vocals and warm mids, but not anymore if you listen to ASG2 which blows your mind away with vocals, bass implementation is also unique in some way, so you either love it or hate it.

 

as regards price to value ratio, i am afraid the steeper is the price the smaller appreciation of the differences... for me differences i can hear between ASG2 and H200 are worth, while others might say they are not enough. remember talk about cables when i found silver gold tralucent cable doing some real good job for me while a few other listeners here said they did not find much difference if any at all.

 

so coming back on the issue, i suggest just sell ASG2 and buy something to please your ears. i understand this is biggest pity when you get stuck with gear you do not like and hesitating is against your own self.

post #3975 of 6782
I understand 100%. Like many have said. The best in the $100-150 bracket really make you listen again and scratch your head wondering what you're doing with those thousands of dollars in audio gear. It's all down to preference. Right now I'm rocking a pair of Fanny Wang 1000's, walking down the street. They sound fine to me and have a pleasant, relaxed sound signature with pretty tight bass. But when it comes to just listening, these, GR07 or R-50 just don't do it for me anymore. Because I know those last % that I'm missing and my little OCD-brain can't settle for less.

But is it a difference of $400? Maybe not. We all value different things. I'd rather have 1 drink of $150 scotch than 5 of $30 scotch. But then again, my life would be just as good as without the liquor. I find that if I use 1/3 of the money it costs to dine out, I can cook food that gives me the same satisfaction, because I like cooking. Some rather spend the extra money and eat out because it's about the whole package, the concept.

I really hope that you learn to relax and not compare yourself to others, I really feel bad for you if you skipped tours because of all the hassle. I read your posts in the middle of everything and I felt your pain. I feel the same that my words don't weigh as much as someone who has more experience. But please share what you hear, you didn't hear wrong, your pair was indeed faulty. It's not your fault. And as to not expressing yourself as every other reviewer; screw it. Be yourself. If you want to compare the grainy mids to a photo taken on ISO 6400 without filters, do it. If the smooth mids sound like making love to whipped cream, go for it! We all express ourselves differently and that's what will make more people understand, because we all have different backgrounds and vocabularies. I don't understand a bit of local American slang. But I understand other things.

My phone is currently thinking:"dude, wtf I'm a phone, not a friggin keyboard, leave me alone." I'm going to do that. Anyway, hope you feel better about yourself soon. Continue to listen, love and explore the glorious world of audio.

Simon

P.S. I miss my ASG-2 and I'm currently a slightly depressed internet shopaholic with 480€ on my PayPal account.. still hesitant though..
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