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post #3676 of 6766
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

James graph is misleading as the same study shows another graph that shows little variance when faced with more data. 

Even a layman can know what sounds good, no need for credentials.

Interesting, more data as in more subjects tested or more testing done on the same subjects?

Yea, but personal preference will dictate the extent to which "good" can be seen as a constant. The IE800 should be a personal example of that for you, no? That's why the ideas that are coming out in terms of testing this seemingly flittering concept of "good" are so interesting. It's also why what's currently seen as good might be uprooted to some degree later on.
Edited by vwinter - 9/30/13 at 9:34am
post #3677 of 6766
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

Interesting, more data as in more subjects tested or more testing done on the same subjects?

Yea, but personal preference will dictate the extent to which "good" can be seen as a constant. The IE800 should be a personal example of that for you, no? That's why the ideas that are coming out in terms of testing this seemingly flittering concept of "good" are so interesting. It's also why what's currently seen as good might be uprooted to some degree later on.

If people were given a flat speaker as a baseline for "good", and then asked to match that sound to an iem, then we would have a lot less variance in terms of what people deem to be "good". Sure there'd still be variance, but not as much as we see here.

Inks, could you be more specific? What you're saying sounds interesting but I don't know what you're referring to lol.
post #3678 of 6766
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

James graph is misleading as the same study shows another graph that shows little variance when faced with more data. 

Even a layman can know what sounds good, no need for credentials.

"More data" becomes irrelevant when you are the one with the 10db hearing spike at 2k.

It's like having a drug that causes spontaneous castration in .001% of patients. It's still significant.
post #3679 of 6766
ASG-2 with EQ makes me want to sell my other stuff and buy something else...
post #3680 of 6766
2-4k regions are the most perceptable, but in terms of acoustics theres no spike there but a dip, degree based on the individual but not huge variances
post #3681 of 6766
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

2-4k regions are the most perceptable, but in terms of acoustics theres no spike there but a dip, degree based on the individual but not huge variances

What would you say is not huge? We trouble ourselves with nanodetails here lol. Also eke brings up a good point, even one in ten people with an outlying result would make a difference in a forum like this, especially depending on the loudness of said individual lol.
post #3682 of 6766
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

If people were given a flat speaker as a baseline for "good", and then asked to match that sound to an iem, then we would have a lot less variance in terms of what people deem to be "good". Sure there'd still be variance, but not as much as we see here.

Inks, could you be more specific? What you're saying sounds interesting but I don't know what you're referring to lol.

That's kind of my point though. You'd be giving them "good" rather than testing the variance of what could be considered good.

He's referring to the law of large numbers, kind of invariably, but exactly in reference to which part of the experiment and the data was my question too.
post #3683 of 6766

You guys need to get the Cardas EM 813 in this discussion. A well burned-in Cardas is amazing! I haven't heard the other earphones you are comparing except for the Aurisonics, but the Cardas easily competes with the ASG-2 (and I'm a huge fan of the ASG-2).

post #3684 of 6766
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

You guys need to get the Cardas EM 813 in this discussion. A well burned-in Cardas is amazing! I haven't heard the other earphones you are comparing except for the Aurisonics, but the Cardas easily competes with the ASG-2 (and I'm a huge fan of the ASG-2).

Eke has one on the way biggrin.gif

But it's not like we really talk about IEMs in this thread anyway. tongue.gif
post #3685 of 6766
There's variance here cause of bias, reading impressions and posting them already skews things a lot, simple as that. The part where users rated the flatter headphones higher was always consistent.

The variation from what I remember seeing was no more than 6db.
Edited by Inks - 9/30/13 at 10:38am
post #3686 of 6766
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

That's kind of my point though. You'd be giving them "good" rather than testing the variance of what could be considered good.

He's referring to the law of large numbers, kind of invariably, but exactly in reference to which part of the experiment and the data was my question too.

Yeah I don't disagree with you. With speakers, what is considered good seems to have less variance than iems imo. It's easier for people to say "this is a flat set-up and this sounds nice." So matching iems to a speaker base line makes sense.

I'm not sure how one could test for a variance in iem preferences without a base line like that. It'd be interesting have more data though, that's for sure.
post #3687 of 6766
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Yeah I don't disagree with you. With speakers, what is considered good seems to have less variance than iems imo. It's easier for people to say "this is a flat set-up and this sounds nice." So matching iems to a speaker base line makes sense.

I'm not sure how one could test for a variance in iem preferences without a base line like that. It'd be interesting have more data though, that's for sure.

No given baseline? With a lot of effort lol.

Do it like an eye exam. Don't tell them anything, then a ton of "Better or Worse?"
I dunno, I didn't go into science. I feel like Dr. Olive is making an attempt at something in reference to this.
post #3688 of 6766

Got the ASG-2's in the mail today and I am happy to say that I am impressed. They are a far cry from the auditory abomination known as the ASG-1 (version 1). They also are able to sit in my concha like a real custom which didn't quite work out with the ASG-1 so I think that there was ergonomic tweaking done with the universal body. Hats off to Dale at Aurisonics for creating such a beast of an iem. So far I listened to Daft Punk and The Eagles. The ASG-2's easily got me involved in the music. I put on the single flange TF10 tips and I got a great fit with great sound right off the bat. I can unequivocally say that these are the best sounding telephone receivers I have ever heard!

post #3689 of 6766
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Originally Posted by Rip N' Burn View Post
 

Got the ASG-2's in the mail today and I am happy to say that I am impressed. They are a far cry from the auditory abomination known as the ASG-1 (version 1). They also are able to sit in my concha like a real custom which didn't quite work out with the ASG-1 so I think that there was ergonomic tweaking done with the universal body. Hats off to Dale at Aurisonics for creating such a beast of an iem. So far I listened to Daft Punk and The Eagles. The ASG-2's easily got me involved in the music. I put on the single flange TF10 tips and I got a great fit with great sound right off the bat. I can unequivocally say that these are the best sounding telephone receivers I have ever heard!

 

LOL. Nice. I would have to agree with that statement.

post #3690 of 6766
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Originally Posted by Rip N' Burn View Post

Got the ASG-2's in the mail today and I am happy to say that I am impressed. They are a far cry from the auditory abomination known as the ASG-1 (version 1). They also are able to sit in my concha like a real custom which didn't quite work out with the ASG-1 so I think that there was ergonomic tweaking done with the universal body. Hats off to Dale at Aurisonics for creating such a beast of an iem. So far I listened to Daft Punk and The Eagles. The ASG-2's easily got me involved in the music. I put on the single flange TF10 tips and I got a great fit with great sound right off the bat. I can unequivocally say that these are the best sounding telephone receivers I have ever heard!
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