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post #3421 of 6782
guys, i feel really humbled and afraid at the same time, pls do not overestimate me and my small stupid ears :-)
post #3422 of 6782
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

guys, i feel really humbled and afraid at the same time, pls do not overestimate me and my small stupid ears :-)

 

We won't

 

:p

post #3423 of 6782

We might ;-)

post #3424 of 6782

Hey EKE ! you a dr who fan ? i wanna add some lights to the ASG-2 and use the metallic paint to make them look like earpods from the cybermen ! hahahaha

post #3425 of 6782
About 150-170h burn in. Sibilance is still there with small auvios. More so than GR07 mk II, UE900 with small auvios, more than R-50 with comply tips, more than Re0 with comply. BUT. It's no longer unlistenable and ear piercing. Getting closer to where I expect them to finally settle. Now they tend to mostly show sibilance instead of being sibilant themselves. Roll away your stone is still a mess and I suspect that I will never listen to that song/record on these.

Now on to the good stuff. Given a smooth song they really shine. The vocal presentation is just addictive. Nothing that struck me immediately but kinda sneaked up on me and was apparent first when I just felt that all of my other iems sounded emotionless and with distant vocals. As Eke said, the mids are the star of the presentation and nothing takes the focus from them.
post #3426 of 6782
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Originally Posted by MoonYeol View Post

About 150-170h burn in. Sibilance is still there with small auvios. More so than GR07 mk II, UE900 with small auvios, more than R-50 with comply tips, more than Re0 with comply. BUT. It's no longer unlistenable and ear piercing. Getting closer to where I expect them to finally settle. Now they tend to mostly show sibilance instead of being sibilant themselves. Roll away your stone is still a mess and I suspect that I will never listen to that song/record on these.

Now on to the good stuff. Given a smooth song they really shine. The vocal presentation is just addictive. Nothing that struck me immediately but kinda sneaked up on me and was apparent first when I just felt that all of my other iems sounded emotionless and with distant vocals. As Eke said, the mids are the star of the presentation and nothing takes the focus from them.

 

What source are you using? Have you noticed any variations in sibilance with a different source?

post #3427 of 6782

Is this song considered well-recorded?  Whether or not it is I agree with you.  I would never listen to that song on the ASG-2 via ODAC > CC BH2 or straight out of iP4s.  Sibilance is quite piercing even with Shotgunshane EQ settings (maybe they don't address sibilance peaks?).  However, I listen to plenty of vocals with no issues which is why I questioned how well that particular song is recorded.  The song may be less sibilant on other IEMs but there are lots of possible reasons for that.  

 

 

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Originally Posted by MoonYeol 

About 150-170h burn in. Sibilance is still there with small auvios. More so than GR07 mk II, UE900 with small auvios, more than R-50 with comply tips, more than Re0 with comply. BUT. It's no longer unlistenable and ear piercing. Getting closer to where I expect them to finally settle. Now they tend to mostly show sibilance instead of being sibilant themselves. Roll away your stone is still a mess and I suspect that I will never listen to that song/record on these.
post #3428 of 6782
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Originally Posted by MoonYeol View Post

About 150-170h burn in. Sibilance is still there with small auvios. More so than GR07 mk II, UE900 with small auvios, more than R-50 with comply tips, more than Re0 with comply. BUT. It's no longer unlistenable and ear piercing. Getting closer to where I expect them to finally settle. Now they tend to mostly show sibilance instead of being sibilant themselves. Roll away your stone is still a mess and I suspect that I will never listen to that song/record on these.

Now on to the good stuff. Given a smooth song they really shine. The vocal presentation is just addictive. Nothing that struck me immediately but kinda sneaked up on me and was apparent first when I just felt that all of my other iems sounded emotionless and with distant vocals. As Eke said, the mids are the star of the presentation and nothing takes the focus from them.

 

 

weird, i did not spot much issue with sibilance, actually ASG2 managed pretty well in this department. of course if i do critical listen then i am afraid there will be no IEM on which i will not find sibilance. the main question is HOW much is this present.

 

from my experience E.L.O. albums were listenable from start to end without causing me fatigue and hearing detail loss, a bit of shiiiiiiiiih and shaaaaahh were present but not nearly as bad as some other IEMs.

 

so i am wondering if we talk the same language.


Edited by Gintaras - 9/11/13 at 4:48am
post #3429 of 6782
No. It is not well recorded and there is a terrible sibilance present anyway. I'm on a Galaxy S4->hifimediy sabre dac->pure silver IC->C&C BH. No big difference in sibilance between S4, BH or iPhone4s. I'm listening to 320kbit ogg vorbis (spotify extreme quality). If I had to name one difference it would be that the sibilance a bit higher up (10kHz?) Is worse out of the BH. I don't find that too bad and I'd rather have that then the very strong mid treble sibilance. I don't know how else to describe it. The sibilance in Roll away your stone is what I would call mid treble sibilant. Sorry for my bad English and descriptions.

The thing that bothers me isn't really that there IS sibilance. It's that there's MORE sibilance than any of my other iems. There is a ringing in sine sweeps as well. Of course there is the ear resonance but of all iems I've tried, these are the worst. That's what bothers me. I still think that it will settle down a bit more with maybe 150 hours more. But that's what I hear and it's comparatively speaking rather than in absolute terms. (Is that even a correct sentence?)

So at this point in time, with my gear, with my songs, compared to my other iems which are by no means basshead-rolled-off-treble, the ASG-2 have the worst sibilance in comparison to overall treble response (extension and quantity). The others manage to be better extended and less sibilant. THIS IS WHAT I'M HEARING RIGHT NOW. Just want to further point out that. It's not my final sentence. Without that sibilance, the ASG-2 may well be close to my ultimate fun-sounding iem. Also, I'm using small auvios which are prone to increasing sibilance but I get a more open sound and about equally as much sibilance as the biflanges except they come with some wierd mid resonance which sounds a bit like the echo in a plastic tube and a more closed in kind of sound. Again. That's what I hear.

I will update in a couple of days. Maybe when I reach 250 or 300h.
post #3430 of 6782
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weird, i did not spot much issue with sibilance, actually ASG2 managed pretty well in this department. of course if i do critical listen then i am afraid there will be no IEM on which i will not find sibilance. the main question is HOW much is this present.

from my experience E.L.O. albums were listenable from start to end without causing me fatigue and hearing detail loss, a bit of shiiiiiiiiih and shaaaaahh were present but not nearly as bad as some other IEMs.

so i am wondering if we talk the same language.

We don't speak the same language wink.gif I speak Swedish normally. Anyway. "Your" pair has been thoroughly burned in and played by Eke and others. Mine were brand new. I still count on most of the sibilance to go away.
post #3431 of 6782

Moon, one solution could be to try different cables. i am not of great opinion about ASG stock cables, hopefully Aurisonics will put upgrade cables on the market in future.

i doubt that burn-in beyond 150-200 hours will change much here. from my experience first 50 hours are most critical, then after 50 hours improvements are often subtle. even for many great loudspeakers max burn-in time at 400 hours with main changes in the first 100 hours.

 

another observation, try removing BH from this chain, sometimes BH can really introduce a bit of messy shrill here and there, and also replace silver interconnect with copper.


Edited by Gintaras - 9/11/13 at 4:58am
post #3432 of 6782
I don't have any other cables right. Ordered an spc from a headfier but the left connector was probably bad. Waiting to get it back. But I can get a copper IC instead. I have the stock BH and a few Fiio stocks. It's just that I am only experiencing this kind of sibilance with the G-2. But I will experiment and report back within a week.
post #3433 of 6782
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post
 

Moon, one solution could be to try different cables. i am not of great opinion about ASG stock cables, hopefully Aurisonics will put upgrade cables on the market in future.

i doubt that burn-in beyond 150-200 hours will change much here. from my experience first 50 hours are most critical, then after 50 hours improvements are often subtle. even for many great loudspeakers max burn-in time at 400 hours with main changes in the first 100 hours.

 

another observation, try removing BH from this chain, sometimes BH can really introduce a bit of messy shrill here and there, and also replace silver interconnect with copper.


Exactly what my suggestion was going to be. Although the BH amp is a little gem of a find it can introduce more sibilance.  Also the LF switch will enhance it.
 

post #3434 of 6782
I'm afraid the only thing that's going to kill the sibilance for you is eq or deeper fit.

I'd recommend using a tone generator to find your personal treble peak on your set and try eq'ing it down. Should be somewhere between 8 and 10k, depending on your depth of fit. A deeper fit will push the peak higher up the scale and might resolve the issue without eq. Meelec triple flanges might be useful for that test.
Edited by shotgunshane - 9/11/13 at 6:08am
post #3435 of 6782
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Originally Posted by WNBC View Post

Is this song considered well-recorded?  Whether or not it is I agree with you.  I would never listen to that song on the ASG-2 via ODAC > CC BH2 or straight out of iP4s.  Sibilance is quite piercing even with Shotgunshane EQ settings (maybe they don't address sibilance peaks?).  However, I listen to plenty of vocals with no issues which is why I questioned how well that particular song is recorded.  The song may be less sibilant on other IEMs but there are lots of possible reasons for that.

Like shotgunshane said, your insertion depth may have moved the peak up a bit. Best way is to use a tone generator to find the highest point and then replace his 8Khz cut with the one you find. For me, it was 10.5Khz, so that was my cut. But it happens in so few of my tracks that I don't even bother usually.
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