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Originally Posted by Carlsan View Post

 

If my FA-4's, currently on the slow boat from Germany, ever arrive, I'll give a comparison as well with my ASG-2's.

 

Thanks music for your thoughts and views.

 

Thanks for the kind words, but your post is making me feel a bit guilty so...

 

I know you ordered a pair of FA4s some 10-14 days ago, and seeing that you'd also be comparing them to the ASG-2s I was literally forced to have a word with our always extremely efficient German friends and insisted they should find a way to delay your delivery by a couple of weeks at least while I happily hyped away the FA4s. In other words, our extremely cheerful and ever so helpful, friendly and smiling sparrow has become a Fischer Amps / FA-4 shill, ie I get a very generous commission for every single pair of FA4s ever sold. So, fingers crossed they take at least 3 months to reach you!

 

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

Thanks, M.

I have to say, I'm pleasantly surprised that you found differences. I was fully expecting you not to smily_headphones1.gif

 

Thanks again for taking the time to listen and write up impressions.

 

I do have a heart... occasionally, you know, so this time I didn't want to make you look like you were wrong 100% of the time — 96% perhaps, but not 100%!

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Music,

So your the reason ...

Thomann sent me a picture of their delivery, as proof that they are on their way 

 

 

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  :)

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Likely to get another pair, but gnarlsagan also felt about the same, his is also faulty? This iem is still in its FOTM stage so i take all the impressions With a grain of salt. this is not a please Eke thread I can post Lols as much as I like lol....

Apparently Aurisonics needs to work on their quality control if the variation can be that bad, though it can be a very rare isolated case, which I doubt, who knows.
Learning how to be humble, respectful, mature and polite, have nothing to do with pleasing Eke but more with basic education. Look it up. Oh sorry. Lol
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

1. These were not personal attacks. I remember you did the same thing in the Heir Audio threads, the Earsonics threads, etc. Every post would sound like this: "LOL the (4Ai/SM64/many others) is a terrible iem. Look at the graphs. Nevermind that I didn't listen to them." I'd go through your past posts in a music_4321 manner, but I think that would start to toe a line I don't want to be on.

 

I critiqued the tuning erros on both, which resulted in frequency suckouts, which are objectively blatant crossover errors on both. If you think that's acceptable very well, it's something I felt the need to mention, regardless of whether I had heard them or not. In the end, neither IEM became a success anyway, both have been starting to fade away. 

 

Now unless there's also a 10db drop off in the 334, I'd love to see those two reconciled...regardless of whatever differing graphing techniques that may have been used. Maybe it's my own ASG-2 that is faulty?

 

You're assuming subjective impressions are perfect. Actually Robert's impression that the ASG2's bass hits harder makes sense as well as the decay coincide, I don't see the problem there. Now the two having similar bass extension doesn't add up, but it also depends on the methodology used to test this and criteria. Brian could have inserted the ASG2 near the reference plane which will give it more treble sparkle than ER4S, but it still doesn't fix the lack of treble extension according to Rin's data and Brian certainly does not think it matches up in extension as far as I know. Low bass could refer to the ASG2s 100hz bump, again subjective impressions aren't perfect, specially when broad terms are used such as "low bass". Not saying they're wrong, but rather that things aren't as clear cut with subjective evaluation as are with data. Remember the impressions of the Heir 4AI dubbing it as a warmer ER4 and perfectly neutral by many, well, in the end it simply wasn't neither...If indeed the ASG2 is as competent in both subbass bass and treble extension, I don't see why the need to "hope" it doesn't get graphed again..Dale actually welcomes the critiques according to a friend.

 

 

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Learning how to be humble, respectful, mature and polite, have nothing to do with pleasing Eke but more with basic education. Look it up. Oh sorry. Lol
So Eke was humble, respectful and polite? Simply because I shared my experience and because I defended my freedom to post "lol"? If you have a personal vendetta against me there is no need to post about it whenever given a chance, PM me, because this is the ASG2 discussion thread, the rest is just spam.

Edited by Inks - 8/28/13 at 10:43am
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Pmed
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BUT, more importantly, Inks, is "Brian" the Brian May of Queen fame, and "Robert" the Robert Redford we all luuuv, the famous film star?

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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

BUT, more importantly, Inks, is "Brian" the Brian May of Queen fame, and "Robert" the Robert Redford we all luuuv, the famous film star?

 

You're right...lol. Both are good friends here, so sorry for overlooking the fact that people won't know who I'm talking about. Brian=gnarlsagan Robert=shotgunshane
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

 

You're right...lol. Both are good friends here, so sorry for overlooking the fact that people won't know who I'm talking about.Brian=gnarlsaganRobert=shotgunshane

 

Oh, that Brian, hmm, hmmmm... and… er, that Van Halen dude.... what a disappointment!

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post


May I remind us that there is a difference between being better delineated and having more of something. The ER4's single BA bass will be one of the cleanest in the world. Of course it's going to be better delineated than the ASG-2's up to a certain point. My HF5's bass is great until it just disappears. Sub-bass, as defined by the chart, is what is below 60Hz. Can you say, gnarl, that you heard more information from the ER4S below that point?

If the ASG-2's treble is so muted, how on earth is the cymbal more pronounced than that of the venerable ER4S? Also, "...and a low bass note is more pronounced on the ER4"

It's true there's a difference between" better delineated" and "more", and I mostly mean better delineated when comparing bass here. Bass around 60Hz is easier to track and listen to with the ER4S, and I wrote that a bit after my initial impressions, when I still had the ASG-2. So did my impressions change? Maybe a little. I'm realizing when I said "low bass note" that I was more referring to bass in general, and likely bass higher than 60Hz, as upon further listening and A/Bing with the ER4S I found its bass to be clearer at the frequency. I'm not declaring any absolutes here, but I do think more information (another graph) is needed so people can understand what the bass of the ASG-2 is really like.

Those initial impressions were done perhaps a bit too quickly, as my impressions of the ASG-2 worsened over time, which is why I sold them. I'll admit too that I usually do this with iems. Initially I overlook a few flaws, but eventually discover them and then they bug me a lot. You know my impressions are usually flaw oriented lol. I did the same thing with the GR07, the CK10, the FXD80, FXT90 and the A1. Even with the ER4S I eventually succumbed to eqing the bass below 60Hz, which I never considered doing for the longest time.

I wrote a bit later when I had the ASG-2 that all I heard was MID-BASS and TREBLE SPIKE. I used all caps too. So the treble was never smoother than the ER4S to me, and I said so when I had the ASG-2. It's peak was tamed by the auvio tips, but didn't put it under the ER4S, and that was specifically stated. These seem to be just my impressions though, which could be explained by a poor fit creating resonances in the treble.

So I'm just reiterating what I already wrote when I was still A/Bing with the ASG-2. I hope that makes things more clear. Hopefully we get another graph so people can be more sure of what's going on with this iem.
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I do like me a good Robert Redford. Mmmhmm.


@Inks
I think I posted this here before at some point: the subbass roll off with the G-2 is a perceptive issue I feel most of the time, depending on the tracks are used to evaluate and/or where you choose to compare it to on the graph. Compared to 1k, as is the standard, assuming the good driver was a 10db drop by 20hz, it's pretty rolled off. Comparing it using the more average levels of the FR, not as much. It's a little bit of an oddball looking tuning graphed lol, but makes more sense audibly, IMO.
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post
 

 

 

SGS said nothing about the bass hitting harder. He said the extension is the same, and the ASG-2 is harder edged, which I take as a more solid impact. And I think gnarl knows what low bass is. There is no way gnarl got to the reference plane, as he was still using the stock tips at the time, and those don't go that deep. It definitely wasn't as deep as the proper ER4 fit, and I don't even think that's possible with the G2 without triple flanges. 

 

You said I'm "assuming that subjective impressions are perfect". Yet here you are, basing your sweeping conclusions on a faulty ASG-2. Is Rin's data really that infallible in your eyes? Who is more mistaken in this instance?

 

I have no opposition to it being graphed. IMO, it still hasn't been. I'd just rather you have nothing to do with it. It's uncanny. Every thread you get involved with gets heated, and some get locked. If I were in that position, I'd take a step back once in a while and evaluate what the issue is.


Edited by eke2k6 - 8/28/13 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

 

SGS said nothing about the bass hitting harder. He said the extension is the same, and the ASG-2 is harder edged, which I take as a more solid impact. And I think gnarl knows what low bass is. There is no way gnarl got to the reference plane, as he was still using the stock tips at the time, and those don't go that deep. It definitely wasn't as deep as the proper ER4 fit, and I don't even think that's possible with the G2 without triple flanges. 

 

You said I'm "assuming that subjective impressions are perfect". Yet here you are, basing your sweeping conclusions on a faulty ASG-2. Is Rin's data really that infallible in your eyes? Who is more mistaken in this instance?

 

I have no opposition to it being graphed. IMO, it still hasn't been. I'd just rather you have nothing to do with it. It's uncanny. Every thread you get involved with gets heated, and some get locked. If I were in that position, I'd take a step back once in a while and evaluate what the issue is.

More Impact yes, that's no surprise. He does know what low bass is, but wasn't specific in that stance and when he was the ASG2 didn't have a good amount compared to ER4. You can't know about his fit for certaintly, he states himself he likely has a resonant effect with them as he hears an apparent spike. 

 

The data doesn't lie, but whether the pair used is very off due to a defect in the unit like you assume is yet to be proven/disproven.


Edited by Inks - 8/28/13 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

More Impact yes, that's no surprise. He does know what low bass is, but wasn't specific in that stance and when he was the ASG2 didn't have a good amount compared to ER4. You can't know about his fit for certaintly, he states himself he likely has a resonant effect with them as he hears an apparent spike. 

 

The data doesn't lie, but whether the pair used is very off due to a defect in the unit like you assume is yet to be proven/disproven.

 

Are you going to ignore the part about SGS's impressions?

 

 

Ok, Inks. Nevermind.

 

I'll organize a way to send my own pair to Tyll or Purrin, depending on who has the less busy schedule.

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I'll organize a way to send my own pair to Tyll or Purrin, depending on who has the less busy schedule.

(y) I'll chime in with a few $ for shipping if you dedicate your ASG-2's time for that.
Edited by MoonYeol - 8/28/13 at 11:33am
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