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post #3226 of 6767
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Likely to get another pair, but gnarlsagan also felt about the same, his is also faulty? This iem is still in its FOTM stage so i take all the impressions With a grain of salt. this is not a please Eke thread I can post Lols as much as I like lol....

Apparently Aurisonics needs to work on their quality control

I hope the package gets lost on its way to you.

Of course. Fotm from 20 different people, at least 5 of whom have been here longer than you.

I've reported you, and asked that you be locked out of the thread. You obviously have no social skills, and you're unbelievably obnoxious.

@ gnarl, I still find it hard to believe that your ER4 has more sub-bass than the ASG-2, and I've given you reasons why you may think so.

I've sent my ASG-2 around the world to avoid useless banter from people like Inks about it being FOTM. calling it so belittles the time I spent writing up the first two posts in this thread and compiling impressions from those who have posted. I know what I hear, and I use my scientific background to find means to verify it by checking off as many variables as I can before shooting off at the mouth. Perhaps others should learn to do the same.

Btw gnarl, didn't your pair have distinct driver rattling?
post #3227 of 6767
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

Btw gnarl, didn't your pair have distinct driver rattling?

I never actually experienced driver rattle with my pair, although someone else did. I'm sure they were functional when I had them, just that sub-bass seemed to be masked by mid-bass and/or mids. It was easier for me to perceive ~60Hz with music on the ER4S. Lower than that I'm not too sure about. The ASG-2 was just very mid-bass focused to me. I didn't get that clean low bass that I get on the ER4S. I think it's unlikely my unit was out of spec while I had it, because Dale assured me that he personally reviewed it before it was allowed to leave Aurisonics, as I had a special aesthetic request that only he could approve.

Like I said I do look forward to further investigation. Fit had a lot to do with the sound imo.
post #3228 of 6767
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I hope the package gets lost on its way to you.

Of course. Fotm from 20 different people, at least 5 of whom have been here longer than you.

I've reported you, and asked that you be locked out of the thread. You obviously have no social skills, and you're unbelievably obnoxious.

@ gnarl, I still find it hard to believe that your ER4 has more sub-bass than the ASG-2, and I've given you reasons why you may think so.

I've sent my ASG-2 around the world to avoid useless banter from people like Inks about it being FOTM. calling it so belittles the time I spent writing up the first two posts in this thread and compiling impressions from those who have posted. I know what I hear, and I use my scientific background to find means to verify it by checking off as many variables as I can before shooting off at the mouth. Perhaps others should learn to do the same.

Btw gnarl, didn't your pair have distinct driver rattling?

Let's break this down. I simply typed a LOL in surprise that someone found the GR07's subbass higher than ASG2 which in my experience had one of the worst subbass to midbass ratios I've heard anyway. Eke assumes I'm trying to offend and responds with personal attacks. He assumes my pair must be defective and that my impressions have to be wrong because a group of headfiers disagree. Can it not be that even though my pair was faulty, it represents the sound signature for the most part in the subbass? I think it's very likely that only the mismatched channel was faulty the other being fine, as it's VERY rare for both channels to be completely off, this isn't a 7$ IEM here. Matter of fact, gnarlsagan's post (#3225) sounds pretty spot-on about the whole situation. It doesn't matter if certain users have been longer than others, opinions are to be shared and not to be attacked and exiled. This is a FOTM IEM at the moment, whether it's warranted, time will tell, still too early to be definitive.


Edited by Inks - 8/27/13 at 11:43pm
post #3229 of 6767
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

I never actually experienced driver rattle with my pair, although someone else did. I'm sure they were functional when I had them, just that sub-bass seemed to be masked by mid-bass and/or mids. It was easier for me to perceive ~60Hz with music on the ER4S. Lower than that I'm not too sure about. The ASG-2 was just very mid-bass focused to me. I didn't get that clean low bass that I get on the ER4S. I think it's unlikely my unit was out of spec while I had it, because Dale assured me that he personally reviewed it before it was allowed to leave Aurisonics, as I had a special aesthetic request that only he could approve.

Like I said I do look forward to further investigation. Fit had a lot to do with the sound imo.


Ah ok.

And I remember mentioning that I agree that my HF's bass is more delineated in the midbass. However I hear nothing (!) under 40hz, even at the reference plane. The ASG-2 continues into the teens. There is no way whatsoever that any etymotic will have more sub-bass than the g2, and this from me hearing two out of the Ety holy trinity.

I suppose it's the classical case of definitions.

I'll be off for the rest of the night, gnarl. 8am classes.
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

Ah ok.

And I remember mentioning that I agree that my HF's bass is more delineated in the midbass. However I hear nothing (!) under 40hz, even at the reference plane. The ASG-2 continues into the teens. There is no way whatsoever that any etymotic will have more sub-bass than the g2, and this from me hearing two out of the Ety holy trinity.

I suppose it's the classical case of definitions.

I'll be off for the rest of the night, gnarl. 8am classes.

Yeah at 40Hz you're probably right. I just didn't do major listening for 40Hz since I've found a lot of my music doesn't have a ton of info down there.

Edit: I should add that I definitely hear below 40Hz on the ER4S. Down to about 30Hz actually. Around 28Hz I just get the sensation of slight movement in my ear, not really sound. These frequencies are quieter than the rest of the FR though, so I generally boost them by about 6dB. Also I generally define sub-bass as 60Hz and below thanks to that FR chart of instruments that pops up first on a Google image search. So technically I guess 60Hz could go either way, bass or sub-bass.
Edited by gnarlsagan - 8/28/13 at 12:02am
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This thread is starting to scare the **** out of me.
post #3232 of 6767
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I hope the package gets lost on its way to you.

Come on bro... don't help the world out.

I don't want inks to be locked out of this thread. I want to read what he has to say. I would really get bothered if he doesn't get the opportunity to try non-defective ASG's out, post his impression here, and have them linked in the first page.

How's this G'man?


http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm
Edited by UnityIsPower - 8/28/13 at 12:11am
post #3233 of 6767
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How's this G'man?


http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm

 

That's the one! Awesome chart. beerchug.gif

post #3234 of 6767
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Originally Posted by UnityIsPower View Post


Come on bro... don't help the world out.

I don't want inks to be locked out of this thread. I want to read what he has to say. I would really get bothered if he doesn't get the opportunity to try non-defective ASG's out, post his impression here, and have them linked in the first page.

How's this G'man?


http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm

 

Unity, what's this?

post #3235 of 6767

I've used that chart as well, great tool

post #3236 of 6767

links, how you used this? i am bit confused guys here. this is great chart explaining but how you use this in IEM listening?

post #3237 of 6767

I translates perception to frequencies, if for example I find a IEM "honky", it's likely due to too much emphasis in the 600-1k region and it's been fairly accurate once I had gotten to the see the FR of the IEM afterwards

post #3238 of 6767

is this you use for describing your impressions? besides others must also be able to understand this graph to be able to read your impressions.

post #3239 of 6767

It defines the frequency definitions to the terms, better than someone describing an IEM as "refined", "detailed", etc. broad terms that can mean so many things. I don't use it nowadays as I know all characteristics by heart, I also name frequencies when using terms such as "crunch", "subbass", etc.

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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

links, how you used this? i am bit confused guys here. this is great chart explaining but how you use this in IEM listening?

 

If you hover over an instrument, it will tell you where the frequencies for those instruments are in the little box on the right. For example, if you hover over the violin, you can see in the little box it says the violins fundamentals are from 200Hz to 1.3kHz. The sound of "fullness" for a violin is at about 240Hz. "Scratchiness" from a violin happens from around 7kHz to 10kHz. This is useful information for evaluating an iem, especially when we have a graph of how the iem performs at those frequencies. For example, if an iem has a spike at 7kHz, you can see here how it might affect different instruments, accentuating properties of those sounds associated with 7kHz. If an iem has bass roll off, you can see in the chart how roll-off would affect instruments that have fundamentals in those low bass frequencies.

 

Once you look at enough iem measurements, thinking of sound in these terms becomes much easier, and helpful in evaluating which iems are worth their price imo. 

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