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Music, thanks for critical opinion, agree for the most. As concerns Flac and Wav i am with, not much difference i can hear but flac vs. mp3 is pretty audible, i did not think myself since i had to collect many favorites i had in mp3 then in flac :-(

Yes, graphs can be useful but only to limited extent and will not replace proper audition tests.

More so, Music, you perhaps do not know how much audio pro people laugh and ridicule us, audiophiles. In particular many pros laugh us loud for our refusal to use EQ for tweaking sound to neutral, they say we are overpaying for gear and matching equipment only to achieve what can be achieved with EQ without spending fortune. Problem is in older days i had Fisher Studio Standard system with 14 level per channel EQ plus one parametric EQ, today such things exist mostly for pro systems only or in computer audio.

Still i am corny and prefer to live without EQ :-)
Edited by Gintaras - 8/18/13 at 1:38pm
post #2912 of 6762
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post


H20 and Ginny, I think it's a bit closed minded to write of graphs. It's similar to one's drunk uncle at a Christmas dinner loudly talking about how cell phones waves are used by the government as a form of population mind control. They have very useful purposes, and combined with other data, can give a somewhat decent (but not definite) idea of whether or not you'll like an iem. I'm sure you don't want to come off like this guy:


I understand the apprehension at those who perpetrate the graphs with a snotty attitude. They think all headphones should match some sort of ideal curve, not terribly dissimilar to the type of idealism of 1940s Germany. Still, sticking our heads in the sand is counterproductive. 

All I'll say on the matter of measurements as reply is I really don't care for them, and there's a few reasons for that.

1) I have seen the sh** they cause in several threads over my time here on Head-fi.

2) It seems if you don't want to believe in graphs, 'believers' will try and push them on you like a bible.

3) They do not tell the absolute story to our listening experience. yet people claim the end to all.

4) They cause what's going on right now, conflicting opinions.


So, while I'm all for believers wanting them around, (let them have their honey smack) I am not blind to the good points of graphs to grasp an idea of a frequency curve but when people go on parades and threads become a total mess, to me they're evil and when some punk trys to push them on me I instantly switch off due to the above. I don't dislike anyone who wants to use them as a worshipping throne but don't make me when I don't want too.

I will not reply to anyone quoting me on this subject, I have just woken up and very close to grumpy, please no-one ruin my very awesome morning with ASG-2 isolating myself from the contractors downstairs using a masonry drill since 7:30am right below my bedroom.


Have a pretty photo instead.



Edited by H20Fidelity - 8/18/13 at 4:36pm
post #2913 of 6762
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

Things are a lot simpler.


The problem is not the graphs / measurements themselves, but the pronouncements some people make and the attitude they display in several forum threads. We often get two camps: the graph believers / enthusiasts / followers / worshippers, with their respective Gods (aka those responsible for producing such data), and the graph haters, who will always claim graphs are useless, that they don't listen with their eyes but their ears. Several graphs haters have become so because of the downright fundamentalist attitude by some graphs F.A.N.A.T.I.C.S.


So, we have that, according to graphs, two of the very best IEMs are the Etymotic ER4S & FitEar F111 (the latter inspired by the former). We are led to believe by some people that the closer an IEM measures to the ER4S & F111, the better it sounds. So, I've asked this question a couple of times in different threads: If we—or many of us—already know that supposedly the ER4S is it, why is it that most people do not prefer that type of sound? The excuse that people don't get the right fit with the Etys isn't good enough in my book (as evidenced recently, thank God!, by the much more ergonomic F111). The other excuse explanation that people prefer bass-heavy sounds / music is, to this extremely humble sparrow … er, how shall I put it?…. a blatant cop-out? Yes, a cop-out sounds about right.


I do value graphs myself because I have a little understanding of them (though I still need to learn more, but not yet desperate to do more learning just yet). Reliable measurements can give me a hint of how an earphone sounds, and that's something I value, and I appreciate the work of those who have produced such data. My experience has shown me that sometimes certain graphs seem to be a bit off, or quite off. When a phone is very popular, we can get several graphs and contrast / compare each. Even then, there's more to graphs than meets the eye (and ear!)


Graphs are even more valuable for those who are unable to audition phones in a shop or attend a meet. And even a shop meet environment isn't always ideal to get a real taste of what a phone sounds like, unless we've tried it in a quiet environment where we're also reasonably relaxed, AND for a reasonable amount of time.


I sometimes have a quiet laugh when I read someone mentions a bump or dip of 1 or 2 dB making a noticeable difference. I'd love to see some of them do a proper blind test and see if they can tell the difference between 1 or 2 dB…


I also have a not so quiet laugh when I see people discussing frequencies above 12, 14 or or even 16khz and the mandatory bump / dip of 1, 2 or 3 dB.


But hey, we even get people who claim they can hear a difference between FLAC and WAV, so I guess ageing, though not necessarily grumpy, sparrows are just way too old... and their hearing practically gone.


And so on, and so forth...

In a blind test people would likely prefer the ER4S or F111 when asked to compare it to a reference speaker. At least those sound signatures seem to be preferred by subjects under those conditions. Other iems would likely not match reference speakers.

If one isn't trying to match an iem to a known reference standard then "technical" performance pretty much stops having anything to do with preference. It's just people deciding what sounds " good" based on any loose criteria, like art. "I like treble peaks" and "who cares about recessed mids" become perfectly valid arguments in this world. Which is fine, but this scenario makes it difficult to separate the good from the bad and the good deal from the rip-off. One would have to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on iems because they're all potentially "game changers". Who would do such a thing? Hmm...

Anyway we haven't had many graph fanatics in here at all. It's mostly anti-graphers beating back against an invisible threat.
post #2914 of 6762
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

a) ASG2 is different from 1+2 in many aspects, so different that you might want to own both

b) 1+2 is more universal all rounder and first class IEM which will make you forget about small plastic pieces inserted into your ear, it is like going out on a fresh windy morning from your ocean house

c) ASG2 is more like an expensive club in which you date a girl, cozy, rich cigar smelling and expensive whiskey, singer dancing in front but your girl keeping a jealous eye on you, very intimate and romantic but once in a while you want out for a breath of fresh air.

 

Haha what a great comparison. I love that. My ASG2 will be delivered at the end of this month, can't wait to see it.

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Eke, there is no need to defend gaphers and no one argues about legitimacy and use of graphs. what i and perhaps H20 mean is that basing yourself purely on graphs and tuning your brain accordingly is not best way to choose IEM.

 

for what is worth ASG2 is a bumblebee among IEMs wink_face.gif

post #2916 of 6762
Ok enough about graphs. I want to know what to listen to when I get my G-2's!
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Originally Posted by MoonYeol View Post

Ok enough about graphs. I want to know what to listen to when I get my G-2's!


:P

 

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MoonYeol, scroll back for the songs i used in test. i find Madonna albums especially stunning on ASG2, the best impact by far i received from this IEM ... then some oldies rock classics like Doors, Fleetwood Mac, Pavlov's Dog, Scott McKenzei, etc... i loved how they sounded with some classical rock, i loved acoustic and vocals the best, perhaps you listen to Barbara Streisand at Village Vanguard concert, one rare masterpiece and so intimate and melting you down. anyway, try whatever you wish to see IF there is anything particular you want listen on them.... but for once i would not play symphonic classics on them, this was not their strong point.

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Lee, pump up ... WHAT? tongue.gif

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Has anybody tried pairing the ASG-2 with an OCC Copper cable? How does it sound? Appreciate all guidance! Thanks! smily_headphones1.gif
post #2921 of 6762
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Originally Posted by xaddictionx View Post

Has anybody tried pairing the ASG-2 with an OCC Copper cable? How does it sound? Appreciate all guidance! Thanks! smily_headphones1.gif

 

I tried the BTG Audio copper cable on it, but I didn't hear any difference.

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coming from FitEar Parterre, I am a bit underwhelmed by the performance of ASG-2 so far... have been tirelessly using it daily now (approx. 2 hours per day)... they just dont bring the same "energy" like the Parterre...

 

I am  thinking if I should go crazy on cable upgrade (already using silver stranded cable with RSA to intruder) or just forget about it...
 

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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post

coming from FitEar Parterre, I am a bit underwhelmed by the performance of ASG-2 so far... have been tirelessly using it daily now (approx. 2 hours per day)... they just dont bring the same "energy" like the Parterre...

 

I am  thinking if I should go crazy on cable upgrade (already using silver stranded cable with RSA to intruder) or just forget about it...
 

 

mate, what exactly bothers you about ASG2 sound presentation? besides i feel a bit intrigued, you coming from Parterre which costs 900$ and supposedly is another league?

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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

 

mate, what exactly bothers you about ASG2 sound presentation? besides i feel a bit intrigued, you coming from Parterre which costs 900$ and supposedly is another league?


 I am not sure what league ASG2 is but i saw you guys comparing it with 1plus2 and all so I thought I would chime in... just seeking some advice on possible cable upgrade is all...

post #2925 of 6762
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

I tried the BTG Audio copper cable on it, but I didn't hear any difference.
Thanks eke! I was looking at the PlusSound Exo series copper cable. From my past experience with westone IEMs and stock cable I do agree that a copper cable change does subtle differences to the sound. Would you recommend a silver cable to match with the ASG2?
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