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Originally Posted by UnityIsPower View Post



These post feel so right.

Kkcc... music_4321, could you be as honest as possible about my impressions/post. I don't care if you lay it down harshly, I would like the truth in order to improve myself.

Music... I have to say I feel quite intimidated by you. After the last PM we shared, I honestly want to hide in a corner hoping you don't see me. I was going to ask you more questions but I really didn't want to waist your time.

It sux being THAT guy in the corner but I think I'm used to it by now... I think.

 

Unity I did share my initial very underwhelming impression on the ASG-2 with you via PM, which I also posted on the thread earlier.  I value and even agree with your impressions, especially now seeing the drivers seems to be badly mismatch I can imagine yours must even sound worse when you try them.  So yes I can totally agree you are stating your fair and honest opinion of it's performance as your hear it, as well as your equal fair and honest assessment on its value.  Also, I am always cool with first hand account of other's experience regardless of my personal take. In this way I'm also cool with Rin's opinion or interpretation of his own data.  But to me they aren't necessarily more valid than impression coming from members whom I personally don't see as fanboyish or immature.  I have to also add I admire you for being very open and honest regardless of resell opportunity/value that I personally identify with (that's why I'm still having the xba4 in my inventory....)

 

My impression of the ASG-2 did improve with more burn-in, as well as with tip rolling to the point I find the sound I'm looking for.  Also I came from an entirely different angle than you - you expected an overall performer with this upgrade that should be better in every aspect to what you had, while I'm specifically looking for something "fun" to complement my other IEMs, and I'm never the best value buyer coming to head-fi gears.  

 

What I don't appreciate are the speculations or interpretations of sound/performance of a product IN GENERAL based on someone else's so called objective measurement based on extreme small (ONE) sample size.  Especially when those who speculate refer to these personal interpretation of data as universal truth or superior to dismiss actual user's opinions.

 

On your refund comment, well, I can only say it is not my way of handling things.   But I also don't have an issue on how you decide to take it.  In my view whether or not it put Dale/Aurisonics in a difficult situation is besides the point.  It comes with the territory of a vendor deciding to participating in an public open forum and from my experience with Aurisonics, I would be surprised if they have any problem with that.   Not all vendors can take such heat and for this reason you don't find many vendors in the CES industry participate in public forum.  I won't have handled it this way simply because I don't personally think it is effective for the purpose of me getting assistance or a refund.


Edited by kkcc - 8/2/13 at 11:18pm
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If it helps at all Unity your impressions are very helpful in explaining both sides of the coin. The good and the bad. Not everyone will agree and nor should they. Just give your honest opinion on the matter. When I give my opinion I'm doing it from the heart. It's just what I hear. As long as you are true to yourself that's all that really matters. It's your opinion and you have the right to it.
 

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

If it helps at all Unity your impressions are very helpful in explaining both sides of the coin. The good and the bad. Not everyone will agree and nor should they. Just give your honest opinion on the matter. When I give my opinion I'm doing it from the heart. It's just what I hear. As long as you are true to yourself that's all that really matters. It's your opinion and you have the right to it.
 

+1

 

Lee summed it up very well.

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Kkcc, if i may add a small correction.

 

honest opinion is still subjective since we hear things differently and we have different tastes for this and that.

so when placing my honest opinion i am well aware that some people will not agree with me and i am well aware that what is not good for me can be good for another dude. this is why i talk always out of myself and about my own perception. i am not asking anyone to love me or my gear, neither i am asking anyone to hate particular gear i did not like. and having enough experience with high end i can tell there are so many issues coming into play that it is impossible to pin point a particular gear unless you know it very well what type of music and sound a person is looking for. i heard many examples when people would choose gear that does not sound for me but i could see their point and why they love it.

 

coming back to ASG2 i think we have enough happy users and to tell them that ASG is garbage is similar to telling them that they are either pretending or have ear problem or worse... that's why some people might shoot up in response and i am perfectly aware of this.

 

actually i have a few IEMs which would and could be possible to talk in comparison but i also know this would not make much sense having cockroach races here.

 

this was why i at the beginning hit at Eke for his overly comparison of ASG with plenty of bias despite that his review was very well and i trust his findings about ASG sonics.

 

now this backfires at this thread since it started from putting one vs. another and it leads to more heated talk without much merit.

 

excuse me guys but ONLY if gear is really flawed i would be taking sides, otherwise this is rather about decision and what matters is what exactly you listen and what you want to hear from IEM. so i would talk more about DAP and amps i am using because i find this really can be game changer, then i would talking with people about music because it helps to understand what are musical listening criteria of owners and then i can more easily decide IF this IEM is for me or not.

 

this is called rather doing your homework than not.

 

i surely pity that UnityS did not like ASG because he came from H200 which i like a lot and which he did not like as well but... i never asked him to love H200 and i am well Ok he decide to sell it because this is his choice. what pains me here is that Unity did not notice from early beginning that many people loving ASG also think H200 is good IEM and that had to be a warning signal for him because from what i hear he seems not to like particular coloration and music presentation type on these IEMs. this means that neither of them will be good for him.

 

as regards linearity and neutral sound, excuse me but most gear is made with certain type of coloration because this is not pro gear but is music lover gear. as such it would be utmost boring if IEMs sounded like studio monitors. i know a few people who did not like Musical Fidelity EB50 which i find one of most neutral and closest to studio monitors sounding.... but like i said many graph lovers craving for neutral perfect measurement would be bored to death if subjected to music listening in pro recording studio.

 

have great weekend everyone.


Edited by Gintaras - 8/3/13 at 1:20am
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

Kkcc, if i may add a small correction.

honest opinion is still subjective since we hear things differently and we have different tastes for this and that.
so when placing my honest opinion i am well aware that some people will not agree with me and i am well aware that what is not good for me can be good for another dude. this is why i talk always out of myself and about my own perception. i am not asking anyone to love me or my gear, neither i am asking anyone to hate particular gear i did not like. and having enough experience with high end i can tell there are so many issues coming into play that it is impossible to pin point a particular gear unless you know it very well what type of music and sound a person is looking for. i heard many examples when people would choose gear that does not sound for me but i could see their point and why they love it.

coming back to ASG2 i think we have enough happy users and to tell them that ASG is garbage is similar to telling them that they are either pretending or have ear problem or worse... that's why some people might shoot up in response and i am perfectly aware of this.

actually i have a few IEMs which would and could be possible to talk in comparison but i also know this would not make much sense having cockroach races here.

this was why i at the beginning hit at Eke for his overly comparison of ASG with plenty of bias despite that his review was very well and i trust his findings about ASG sonics.

now this backfires at this thread since it started from putting one vs. another and it leads to more heated talk without much merit.

excuse me guys but ONLY if gear is really flawed i would be taking sides, otherwise this is rather about decision and what matters is what exactly you listen and what you want to hear from IEM. so i would talk more about DAP and amps i am using because i find this really can be game changer, then i would talking with people about music because it helps to understand what are musical listening criteria of owners and then i can more easily decide IF this IEM is for me or not.

this is called rather doing your homework than not.

i surely pity that UnityS did not like ASG because he came from H200 which i like a lot and which he did not like as well but... i never asked him to love H200 and i am well Ok he decide to sell it because this is his choice. what pains me here is that Unity did not notice from early beginning that many people loving ASG also think H200 is good IEM and that had to be a warning signal for him because from what i hear he seems not to like particular coloration and music presentation type on these IEMs. this means that neither of them will be good for him.

as regards linearity and neutral sound, excuse me but most gear is made with certain type of coloration because this is not pro gear but is music lover gear. as such it would be utmost boring if IEMs sounded like studio monitors. i know a few people who did not like Musical Fidelity EB50 which i find one of most neutral and closest to studio monitors sounding.... but like i said many graph lovers craving for neutral perfect measurement would be bored to death if subjected to music listening in pro recording studio.

have great weekend everyone.

Also well stated but not totally sure where is the "correction"...

I can see how you think Unity might not made the most informed purchase decision but that doesn't made him less credible about how he subjectively feel about the product.

Personally I feel he is not having vicious intention by giving his opinion on performance vs value. I don't necessary agree with his assessment but he has all the rights to state them and I personally never felt it is excessively snarky nor rude. Afterall he isn't purporting to be a professional reviewer nor runs an analysis blog etc I honestly can't expect another member to toned his opinions in a more neutral or any particular manner. I personally try to write "more thoughfully" than giving rash comments (positive or negative ones) as I think that is a more effective communication style (and many members here do that better most of the times, yourself included) but I won't expect everyone having the same approach and I would make my own judgement how to interpret everyone's comment as I read them.
Edited by kkcc - 8/3/13 at 2:40am
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i am not disputing Unity and his right to his opinion. i know Unity is very open and honest chap and it pains me seeing him going through this. i know he does this out of his sincere belief and i find nothing wrong with that.

 

one issue i try mention here is that it's not only Unity but others around and me including, we all make mistakes from time to time and cost of mistake pains. that said i must admit many products are good products but not all are for my taste. take excellent Mytek DSD DAC, many people with mega buck systems love it while i did not and so gave it back to the seller. does it stop Mytek from being a good DAC? no way. does it mean this was not for me? yes you can bet it was not.

 

so if the product is not cutting it for me i would put my reasons and mention my personal bias.

 

anyway, lets move on and i wish Unity would find a good way with Aurisonics to overcome this sad issue. from what i heard Aurisonics are serious professionals and i am sure they can help here. perhaps there was some mistake on the user part in process of contact. sometimes we become too demanding and do not understand that there are also humans sitting on the other end working for the company making this gear. so some humbleness and patience can be rewarding.


Edited by Gintaras - 8/3/13 at 3:02am
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Umm. Treat others like you want them to treat you?

It's been an interesting read. I also wonder what eke got banned for. The two ideas about sending Rin another pair of ASG-2 and asking Unity to send his pair to Aurisonics sounds like a good idea to me. I always try to be a bit pragmatic and solve things the easiest way possible. We also need to take a step back and start respecting what other people are saying and also make it clear that what we are saying are personal opinions and not facts (if that is true for said statement).

I'm also wondering about the sub bass and higher treble. Doesn't innerfidelity specifically point out that <100Hz and >10kHz are frequencies where the measurements may not be correct? Just thinking out loud. Don't quote me on that.
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Eke banned? oh NO... this is sad, i enjoyed reading him despite all fuzz and bias. IMHO (in my humble opinion) sometimes moderators tend to overreact.

 

yes, you must treat people the way you want them to treat you. we too often forget simple truths.

 

regarding ASG vs SD3 dispute i suggest something here is entirely wrong. let me give simple example. highly reputable shops like Musicacoustica and Thomann sell one of these model for a good reason. Musicacoustica is well regarded high-end portable seller and Thomann is pro-music and instrument shop. i doubt it very much either of them would risk their reputation on a flawed product.

so i assume both IEMs are good products but appeal perhaps to different sound signature, hence a disagreement between users.

 

there is no point in discussing what is better, lamb or beef, but there is a good point in discussing how best to cook them tongue.gif


Edited by Gintaras - 8/3/13 at 4:07am
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Originally Posted by LFC_SL View Post

I do not like it when Rin appears in an IEM thread. I respect everyone is entitled to an opinion, the issue is that you get 20 pages of distracting non-consensus. Would much rather all such posts were spun off to sound science and leave the rest of us happy to soak up subjective personal opinions to it in the equipment forums!

Anyway then, are there any more comparisons against the IEM in my sig? Not a lot in this thread beyond cursory mentions...
Thanks

This sounds awful to me. And seems like such a bad idea for readers of the site I can’t even tell if you’re being sarcastic.

People who are curious to read about a headphone to figure out if they should spend money to buy one should be able to read all types of information in a general equipment thread and not have it censored into some type of non-representative love-in.

Rin’s graphs do not affect your appreciation for the headphone. But they are useful for people who do know what types of sound signatures they like to get an idea of whether they would appreciate the headphone in question.
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Guys let us not have the same discussion over and over again. Everyone agrees that measuring headphones is a useful tool (well apart from me, I care nothing about measurement as long as an iem makes me happy). What people do not like is the following, SYSTEMATIC behaviour: "this iem that you seem to love measures horribly according to one set of measurements so it must sound like crap and you are a deluded fool for liking it. Oh and you cannot answer anything because the measurements I refer to are undisputable scientific facts so I have Descartes on my side." I do have to admit, quite begrudgingly, that Inks much improved his communication skills in that respect and did say that he would listen to the ASG2 to confirm the measurements. So in my opinion, much of the heated debate also stems from past experience and the apprehension of seeing a peaceful thread ruined like many in the past.
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Well, estrogen and bickering aside. I have just (2 hours ago) received my Null Audio Lune MK3 cable. There was a mix-up during shipment. It was close to being sent back to Singapore, but luckily it remained in the states. The cable was originally for the Westone series. The connectors actually didn't fit. I had to modify the connectors to fit. The sound is cleaner and also has more depth from what I can tell. I ordered this with the iPhone Right Angle Connector. It is pretty solidly built from the looks of it so far. I love the quality of the materials so far. The fit is great, even though I wish the memory cable coating was a bit longer. No microphonics at all. I didn't mind the original cable, it was a bit too long, and the 1/8th inch connector was an awkward fit. The material and shielding was also a bit flimsy. It has actually started unraveling. I am happy with the purchase due to all of the factors that have been improved.

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I should get Eke's loaner ASG-2 somewhere next week. Can't wait to hear what the fuss is all about.

 

Too bad the OP's been banned, but a little bird (no, not this one) told me that he'll likely be back in time to appreciate / correct / reject my impressions. wink.gif

 

Meanwhile, let's hope that they end up sounding very digital, so I don't have to give them to Gintanaloguaras. ksc75smile.gif

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Originally Posted by LFC_SL View Post

I do not like it when Rin appears in an IEM thread. I respect everyone is entitled to an opinion, the issue is that you get 20 pages of distracting non-consensus. Would much rather all such posts were spun off to sound science and leave the rest of us happy to soak up subjective personal opinions to it in the equipment forums!

 

Anyway then, are there any more comparisons against the IEM in my sig? Not a lot in this thread beyond cursory mentions...

Thanks

 

I absolutely despise this idea. Why should there be a disconnect between objective and subjective criticisms of an earphone? I completely agree that graphs are hardly the be all end all and earphones can sound great to some on a purely subjective level even if they graph "poorly" but on that same token, we can't just disregard objective criticisms and relegate them to another forum.

 

I feel like I'm walking on eggshells saying this but I think people should be more open to objective (or as objective as we can get) criticisms of products, even if they don't confirm what we may think or align with our subjective perceptions of a particular product.

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I think you guys have illustrated my point. As the other member said, it is rather an inability to read other posts as responders are entrenched in their position and seek only to reinforce their view, combining to result in endless pages of non-progressive circular posts.

Assuming my observation has stuck a few home truths I'll stay in the background pending EU distribution going live
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Meanwhile, let's hope that they end up sounding very digital, so I don't have to give them to Gintanaloguaras. ksc75smile.gif

 

Urgh… analogue is soooo 20th century.

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