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post #2236 of 6737
Gnarls impressions were shared even before the graphs from what I know. He also discussed it with Unity who felt the same.

Well that's just simply what's there, people are going to start defending the product with certain claims after such criticism, it's a pattern I'm used to by now.

Etys aren't the most neutral thing out there, they also have their issues
post #2237 of 6737
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Originally Posted by Aurisonics View Post

Andy sent this as a response to an email the other day. I thought he made a good point.

 

As for re-tuning the device - this is the sound of the ASG-2. The IEM was designed and tuned for on-stage musicians. Their "listening environment" is drastically different to the one that you are trying to put the ASG-2 into. For some users - it is exactly what they want to hear. But it isn't for everyone.

 

We are following the threads fairly closely over here. And we are taking customer opinion under advisement. But it remains that we have had no complaints or concerns from the pro musician community regarding the sound signature of any of the ASG-1, AS-1, ASG-2 or the AS-2. We are incredibly privileged to have our products compared to others intended for music recreation, and even audiophile experiences - but there is a limit - you can't use a NASCAR vehicle for your weekly shopping runs.

 

as much as i am looking forward to hearing ASG2 on tour i would disagree about pro musician argument for a very simple reason.

pro musicians hear things differently from casual listener, and put emphasis on things i would not be thinking about. i marvel at my friend who is music professor and orchestral conductor and who happens to hear music so differently that makes me feel stupid. however for the matter of fact our listening tastes also differ except for classics. and when i asked him once what music he would like to listen to after conducting performance he glanced at me angirly telling he would not listen to anything because he had enough at work.

 

yes, musicians are different from casual listeners and what they demand might be not what an audiophile hopes for. take example of studio monitors used for recording sessions, many crave about having neutral studio like sound but when people hear it in studio they rarely like it biggrin.gif

post #2238 of 6737
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Gnarls impressions were shared even before the graphs from what I know. He also discussed it with Unity who felt the same.

Well that's just simply what's there, people are going to start defending the product with certain claims after such criticism, it's a pattern I'm used to by now.

Etys aren't the most neutral thing out there, they also have their issues

I always find that it's in the presentation rather than the criticism itself. Naturally people will want to defend what they bought and enjoy, but if someone makes fair and reasonable points it seems to be more welcomes than overtly critical or harsh.

Everyone is welcome to their own opinion, but how one presents their opinions plays a large role in how their opinion will be received.
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

I actually much prefer the large UE silicone tips on the Suis. I find the complys take away from the treble and make them more laid back and the sound staging isn't as accurate.

Glad you're liking them smily_headphones1.gif.

Thankfully I have some around. I appreciate the tip lee.
post #2240 of 6737
[redacted] for TMI.



Glad you're liking them DannyBai. Looking forward to hearing more.
Edited by vwinter - 8/1/13 at 12:24am
post #2241 of 6737
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Originally Posted by kyuuketsuki View Post


I always find that it's in the presentation rather than the criticism itself. Naturally people will want to defend what they bought and enjoy, but if someone makes fair and reasonable points it seems to be more welcomes than overtly critical or harsh.

Everyone is welcome to their own opinion, but how one presents their opinions plays a large role in how their opinion will be received.

+1

post #2242 of 6737
What I said before this was the FOTM, a product make for noisy on stage performers that the head-fi community due to the subjective review that might have over exaggerate things a little. I am just glad my subjective ear came close to rins review.
Edited by audionewbi - 8/1/13 at 4:01am
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Headphones are like food. Instruments in the labs can tell me whether they are nutritious or not. But as for the taste, I can never know unless I try.

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Headphones are like food. Instruments in the labs can tell me whether they are nutritious or not. But as for the taste, I can never know unless I try.

 

True. The problem is not everyone can afford expensive food and not have reliable reviews on said places to eat :D. But it's just the way the cookie crumbles here. It takes experience in both the good and bad to gauge this place in terms of making purchases reliably. This is regarding the hobby as a whole.

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True. The problem is not everyone can afford expensive food and not have reliable reviews on said places to eat :D. But it's just the way the cookie crumbles here. It takes experience in both the good and bad to gauge this place in terms of making purchases reliably. This is regarding the hobby as a whole.

At least you can put phones you don't like on fs forum, but no one can throw up the food and sell to others.

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At least you can put phones you don't like on fs forum, but no one can throw up the food and sell to others.


Now if someone could come up with an invention to make that possible someone would be very rich. evil_smiley.gif

 

Depending on the gear you buy though in this hobby it is indeed possible to no be able to resell it. So in such instances it is very important to be aware of what you are getting yourself into. In more than one occasion I've found users getting stuck holding the bag because they found out after the fact that the IEM they bought, could not be re-shelled. Stuff like this is very important to know before purchasing.


Edited by lee730 - 8/1/13 at 3:25am
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The problem of subjective opinion is a lot of people lack the ability to accurately describe the sound they hear and this can be very misleading for others. This ability takes both talent and experience, how many phones one own or how long a person is in the hobby does not always indicate their appreciation skill level.

post #2248 of 6737

Yep I agree. That's why the longer you are here the better you'll get at discerning impressions from various members. Once you find your click stick with them and you'll save money in the long run opposed to constantly selling gear at a loss on the boards. Although it's still no guarantee you will like various gear that they may enjoy. It's always the risk we take when making purchases based on subjective opinions. But on the plus side the fact that you can still resell the items and sometimes at a relatively minor loss. It's still a viable option to use when considering gear. Just there's always that gamble.
 


Edited by lee730 - 8/1/13 at 3:54am
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Subjective vs Objective

sub·jec·tive (sb-jktv)
adj.
1.
a. Proceeding from or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world: a subjective decision.
b. Particular to a given person; personal: subjective experience.
2. Moodily introspective.
3. Existing only in the mind; illusory.
4. Psychology Existing only within the experiencer's mind.
5. Medicine Of, relating to, or designating a symptom or condition perceived by the patient and not by the examiner.
6. Expressing or bringing into prominence the individuality of the artist or author.
7. Grammar Relating to or being the nominative case.
8. Relating to the real nature of something; essential.
sub·jective·ly adv.
sub·jective·ness, subjec·tivi·ty (sbjk-tv-t) n.

ob·jec·tive (b-jktv)
adj.
1. Of or having to do with a material object.
2. Having actual existence or reality.
3.
a. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic. See Synonyms at fair1.
b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.
4. Medicine Indicating a symptom or condition perceived as a sign of disease by someone other than the person affected.
5. Grammar
a. Of, relating to, or being the case of a noun or pronoun that serves as the object of a verb.
b. Of or relating to a noun or pronoun used in this case.
n.
1. Something that actually exists.
2. Something worked toward or striven for; a goal. See Synonyms at intention.
3. Grammar
a. The objective case.
b. A noun or pronoun in the objective case.
4. The lens or lens system in a microscope or other optical instrument that first receives light rays from the object and forms the image. Also called object glass, objective lens, object lens.
ob·jective·ly adv.
ob·jective·ness n.
Edited by Eugguy - 8/1/13 at 4:14am
post #2250 of 6737
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

 

Yes to the first

No to the second

:-D

 

i just share my impressions and not asking anyone to love anything.

 

i find it weird when people pick comparisons like this and make others believe in what might be untrue.

let me explain, i saw many people doubting 1+2 and putting them against some cheaper IEMs claiming the premia was not worth. it led me to purchase some IEMs which otherwise i would not. later when i got audition of 1+2 i realized how stupid i was believing all those opinions.

 

see my point better now?

 

NB: there is no invitation to like what i have but there is no sense putting bold statements that might happen to be just incorrect. Reference Monitors from UE (quickly auditioned by me thanks to James444) sounded dead clean, neutral BUT soooooooo boring and lifeless that i would not take them. HOWEVER some other people would marvel at them and most likely these people would never look at ASG2 or SD3.

Hi Gintaras,

sorry for my accusation but..

I don't think that my 1+2 is not worthed, i love it too and i know it's worthed

if i not love it of course i will sell it, but the technicality of 1+2 is the best even better than my togo334

I love it like you do but you can't forgot that sometimes we need fun sounding iem too like ASG-2 which is not do anything as 'right' as 1+2

Just my own opinion :D

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