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post #2221 of 6743
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

It's true. My impressions of the bass match what has been graphed by Rin. I heard the ER4S to have more sub-bass compared to mid-bass.

That makes sense!
But to get to the level of subbass in db's comfortably on the ER4S, the midrange would likely make you deaf. If you agree with this exaggeration, then it's really apples to oranges.
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Can't wait to hear these...

post #2223 of 6743
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post


If anything it would be an electrical issue, not overlapping frequencies. Unless there is some law of physics I am not logically understanding. (very possible biggrin.gif)

 

It's just a guess lol. I know I've read some stuff regarding not using crossovers resulting in issues with sound. Now whether that is true or not. I'm not sure?

post #2224 of 6743
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

It's just a guess lol. I know I've read some stuff regarding not using crossovers resulting in issues with sound. Now whether that is true or not. I'm not sure?

Sounds possible to me. But you can get into trouble misusing crossovers just as well lol.
post #2225 of 6743
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Can't wait to hear these...

You're gonna love them. wink.gif
I smell a victory for the Heaven V. biggrin.gif


Edit:
Sorry guys, I'm in a posting mood. tongue.gif
And a smiley mood apparently =/
Edited by vwinter - 7/31/13 at 11:36pm
post #2226 of 6743
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

That makes sense!
But to get to the level of subbass in db's comfortably on the ER4S, the midrange would likely make you deaf. If you agree with this exaggeration, then it's really apples to oranges.

I disagree actually. The ASG-2 has mids, just not all of them. By sub-bass I mean ~60Hz, although sub-bass usually means lower than that. ~60Hz sounds more emphasized to me on the ER4S than the ASG-2 with actual music.
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Andy sent this as a response to an email the other day. I thought he made a good point.

 

As for re-tuning the device - this is the sound of the ASG-2. The IEM was designed and tuned for on-stage musicians. Their "listening environment" is drastically different to the one that you are trying to put the ASG-2 into. For some users - it is exactly what they want to hear. But it isn't for everyone.

 

We are following the threads fairly closely over here. And we are taking customer opinion under advisement. But it remains that we have had no complaints or concerns from the pro musician community regarding the sound signature of any of the ASG-1, AS-1, ASG-2 or the AS-2. We are incredibly privileged to have our products compared to others intended for music recreation, and even audiophile experiences - but there is a limit - you can't use a NASCAR vehicle for your weekly shopping runs.

post #2228 of 6743
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post


Sounds possible to me. But you can get into trouble misusing crossovers just as well lol.


Well wish me luck with the SE5 as that is the king of crossovers :P.

post #2229 of 6743
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post



I disagree actually. The ASG-2 has mids, just not all of them. By sub-bass I mean ~60Hz, although sub-bass usually means lower than that. ~60Hz sounds more emphasized to me on the ER4S than the ASG-2 with actual music.

But not more subbass compared to the upper mids. If you try to level match 60hz on the ER4S to the ASG-2, then the bump at 3k will be significantly higher on the ER4. And if you listen at any volume that isn't low, it'll become a problem. That's what I mean. If we're on the same page and you disagree then I will respect your thoughts, especially since I haven't heard the ER4S not your ASG-2, and I would be talking purely off of measurements.

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


Well wish me luck with the SE5 as that is the king of crossovers :P.

Godspeed!
Edited by vwinter - 7/31/13 at 11:48pm
post #2230 of 6743
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post


That makes sense!
But to get to the level of subbass in db's comfortably on the ER4S, the midrange would likely make you deaf. If you agree with this exaggeration, then it's really apples to oranges.

 

I can't agree with that.  Even with my HF5, I get good sub-bass reproduction, albeit it's neutral, but there.  We're talking about a complete drop off, I'm not going to even call it a roll off anymore.  That's what baffles me...  I've never seen an IEM in my lifetime that was working in proper condition and measured properly that measured like an earbud, as if there was no seal whatsoever.

 

If you don't get sub-bass with an Etymotic, it's because you don't have a proper seal.  There really is no other explanation. I lied, there actually is, you're accustomed to a different, bass-heavy, signature :p


Edited by tinyman392 - 7/31/13 at 11:52pm
post #2231 of 6743
Flat4 Sui's sound quite good with comply tips. IE800's have some crazy bass but the rest of the sound is impressive. Not that the bass is bad but I expected different. 1P2 still amazes me in every way. Thanks to all for this opportunity to have all these in my possession for the time being.

Sorry to derail the AS2 discussion. wink.gif
post #2232 of 6743
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Originally Posted by DannyBai View Post

Flat4 Sui's sound quite good with comply tips. IE800's have some crazy bass but the rest of the sound is impressive. Not that the bass is bad but I expected different. 1P2 still amazes me in every way. Thanks to all for this opportunity to have all these in my possession for the time being.

Sorry to derail the AS2 discussion. wink.gif

 

I actually much prefer the large UE silicone tips on the Suis. I find the complys take away from the treble and make them more laid back and the sound staging isn't as accurate.

 

Glad you're liking them :).

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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

 

Ha, didn't you say they sounded a 1000 times better than your TF10s, which in turn are considered fun sounding IEMs? 

 

You and Eke would make best friends when it comes to rankings. wink.gif

 

You need to upgrade your source. very_evil_smiley.gif

 

Your chances of ever getting an ASG-2 audition have just plummeted to an all-time low. ksc75smile.gif

 

yes, i did, and yes, UE RM sounded 1000 times better than TF10 no doubt. like i told you UE RM is one of the most neutral accurate sounding IEMs i head to date and i mean it. eek.gif

but engaging musicality does not have to do exclusively with neutral or flat response. somebody told this correct, living by graphs will not let you listen to the best sound.

 

Eke, friends? why not? i am a friendly person, all Eke has to do is to swear by 1+2 biggrin.gif

 

Upgrade my source? to iPod or Galaxy? was your coffee this morning too strong? tongue.gif

ok, next time i bring famous BH+C3 combo alongside RWAK setup.

 

My chances? wow............ mate, you cannot be serious, i know you are very kind person and would never subject me to such torture. blink.gif

i promise to rip and listen the whole Van Halen collection if this will help to restore your confidence in me. ksc75smile.gifk701smile.gif


Edited by Gintaras - 7/31/13 at 11:56pm
post #2234 of 6743
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

I can't agree with that.  Even with my HF5, I get good sub-bass reproduction, albeit it's neutral, but there.  We're talking about a complete drop off, I'm not going to even call it a roll off anymore.  That's what baffles me...  I've never seen an IEM in my lifetime that was working in proper condition and measured properly that measured like an earbud, as if there was no seal whatsoever.

If you don't get sub-bass with an Etymotic, it's because you don't have a proper seal.  There really is no other explanation. 

My initial post was badly worded. Please see my last post before this one. I'm not saying the Etys have bad or no subbass, at all. I'm saying given the levels shown, it's only a rolloff or drop off or whatever in relation to the midbass over 100hz. Otherwise it falls in line with half the midrange which is also much lower than the 100-1k bump.

Edit:
I'm beginning to feel there is no real relevant point to this discussion if you don't even think what we're discussing is accurate lol. Then again, I made it pretty general so there's that. But, it's maybe too late for me to be thinking critically so maybe I'm waaaay off base lol.
Edited by vwinter - 8/1/13 at 12:07am
post #2235 of 6743
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

It's sealed well, Rin double checked. How will you explain gnarlsagan's impression that matched? Well, unless Rin analyses ASG1, it's a subject that goes nowhere for now. I will get to hear this and confirm or disprove the graph.

 

This is pretty easily explainable as confirmation bias on your part, given there other impressions that don't match up to Rin's graphs. Not trying to be confrontational, just pointing it out. Also, I've found my impressions to line up with garnlsagan's a few times before, so I want to be clear in saying I respect his opinion and am not contesting his views. 

 

Honestly, there seems to me to be a bit of spirit of gleeful malevolence in the critiques of Rin and yourself, rather than the affably detached perspective of someone who simply has more input to offer for the betterment of everyone. If I'm misinterpreting that, then my apologies-- but it seems like you two are a little too glad to be raining on the parade of others to be the product of a truly scientific, empirical mindset. 

 

To be clear, my G-2s sound just as great now as they did before the latest flurry of activity around Rin's graphs (as long as I don't plug them into the D100). My only other thought is that I'd like to try out one of the higher-end Etys at some point to see what a really flat, reference IEM sounds like, as I do tend to like that sound in my other gear. 

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