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post #2146 of 6743
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Well the drivers aren't matching, and the better driver with less roll off isn't so bad. Would you say that if both drivers measured like the good one then it'd look closer to what you're hearing?

I'd give it closer to a 4 - 5db drop than a 9db drop from 1k if anything, but it's definitely closer. There's still a strong subbass presence graphed compared to say 3k there, which is a presence you can hear. Instead of calling it a roll-off from 100k, I would have called it a roll-up to 100k lol. That unique concave slope into ~150hz could be what gives the bass it's unique tonality and force assuming there isn't a problem here.

The 10db driver mismatch is what worries me more there.
Edited by vwinter - 7/31/13 at 11:01am
post #2147 of 6743
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


It'd be pretty terrible if this pair was somehow defective just like Tyll's. I have to say though that I heard the bass to sound pretty much like the graph. I don't think if would sound as rolled off as it looks, since the mids and highs are comparatively less emphasized. The bass at 60Hz looks to be about as emphasized as the mids peak.

 

This one doesn't look defective.  It actually has more treble than the UE 900 which is something that Tyll spoke positively about, so the highs and mids aren't defective, they actually match what I heard.  I've seen a pattern similar to Rin's regarding the bass on my 1.2.  It didn't show a roll off, but did show a mismatch.  It turned out that the porting that's done to the driver was clogged in one driver, but not the other.  What it can't explain is the sudden roll off at 100-150 Hz (depending on left or right driver).  My 1.3 are matched a little better than your pair as well. 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

Exactly. A 20db drop off below 100hz? 

 

Please.

 

A roll off starting at 100-150 Hz?  That seems well off about the measurements.  From what I heard, the ASG-2's bass sounds similar to that of the ASG-1 (rev 3) which I assure you doesn't roll off. 

 

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Originally Posted by kyuuketsuki View Post

 

The problem with the treble is the roll off, which it isn't. It is more extended than that. Most of it is OK, but dropping off before 20k is definitely not the case. 

 

And yeah, the bass is definitely head scratching. 

 

Well, the roll off does start around 8 kHz, but stays extended through the 10 kHz before it drops around 12 (?) kHz.  The treble is exactly how I heard it when I demoed it, the issue is, like many have stated, the bass.

post #2148 of 6743
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

 

This one doesn't look defective.  It actually has more treble than the UE 900 which is something that Tyll spoke positively about, so the highs and mids aren't defective, they actually match what I heard.  I've seen a pattern similar to Rin's regarding the bass on my 1.2.  It didn't show a roll off, but did show a mismatch.  It turned out that the porting that's done to the driver was clogged in one driver, but not the other.  What it can't explain is the sudden roll off at 100-150 Hz (depending on left or right driver).  My 1.3 are matched a little better than your pair as well. 

 

 

 

 

A roll off starting at 100-150 Hz?  That seems well off about the measurements.  From what I heard, the ASG-2's bass sounds similar to that of the ASG-1 (rev 3) which I assure you doesn't roll off. 

 

 

Well, the roll off does start around 8 kHz, but stays extended through the 10 kHz before it drops around 12 (?) kHz.  The treble is exactly how I heard it when I demoed it, the issue is, like many have stated, the bass.

 

I meant to near nonexistence. The treble extension is there and exists well to 20k. It might not be prominent or forward, it is still noticeable. It struck me as odd, though definitely not as odd as the bass roll off which seems completely off. 

post #2149 of 6743
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Originally Posted by kyuuketsuki View Post

 

I meant to near nonexistence. The treble extension is there and exists well to 20k. It might not be prominent or forward, it is still noticeable. It struck me as odd, though definitely not as odd as the bass roll off which seems completely off. 

 

Yes, it does extend to 20kHz, the raw measurements show that. 

post #2150 of 6743
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

The dips in the upper frequency reflect how I had my eq set for eke's pair: 2 and 4.5k. The treble peak is also where I eq'd down around 8k.

As for the sub bass, eke's pair didn't sound close to that. It had a lot of air movement at 20hz, although the peak was centered around 150hz. I wonder if the adjustable bass valve has been compromised on the measured pair. From my understanding, that's what could happen from one that's been over torqued and it wouldn't take much pressure to turn it beyond the stopping points.

Just took another look and realized you were right on with your eq. Impressive!

Also wondering about the bass. Do you think the better measuring driver could match with what you heard? 20Hz should still be audible or felt on that driver imo.
Edited by gnarlsagan - 7/31/13 at 11:31am
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What about ASG-2? I think it has impact and rumble

I honestly don't even know what I like anymore, whether it's impact, rumble or both.

post #2152 of 6743
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Just took another look and realized you were right on with your eq. Impressive!

Also wondering about the bass. Do you think the better measuring driver could match with what you heard? 20Hz should still be audible or felt on that driver imo.

I didn't try to determine how many db's it was but 4db's at 30hz seemed to do the trick but the better measuring driver is still down about 10 db's in the measurements.

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Originally Posted by Mini0510 View Post

What about ASG-2? I think it has impact and rumble
I honestly don't even know what I like anymore, whether it's impact, rumble or both.

The set I heard has both but leans more towards impact. It hit pretty darn hard.
post #2153 of 6743
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post


I didn't try to determine how many db's it was but 4db's at 30hz seemed to do the trick but the better measuring driver is still down about 10 db's in the measurements.
The set I heard has both but leans more towards impact. It hit pretty darn hard.

 

This, definitely this. It has some rumble, but with the bass port set right it hits harder than is probably needed for some songs. 

post #2154 of 6743
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Originally Posted by kyuuketsuki View Post

 

This, definitely this. It has some rumble, but with the bass port set right it hits harder than is probably needed for some songs. 

 

I agree that the ASG-2 does have more impact (lower-bass) as opposed to rumble/texturing (sub-bass).  It does a good job at both, some may call the ASG-2 a little boomy. 

post #2155 of 6743
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

 

I agree that the ASG-2 does have more impact (lower-bass) as opposed to rumble/texturing (sub-bass).  It does a good job at both, some may call the ASG-2 a little boomy. 

It's not boomy at all if you close the bass port

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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

I don't think you can get more treble than the Ultrasone iQ, unless you replace your eardrums with metal domed tweeters.

 

... Yeah, the treble on IQ was pretty laid back.

 

?!?!?!?!


Edited by music_4321 - 7/31/13 at 1:32pm
post #2157 of 6743
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?!?!?!?!

I laughed a good one when that response was posted by Mini.
post #2158 of 6743

Well i'm more than happy with my ASG-2 , i also own the 1 plus 2 and ToGo 334 , all that i can say is ASG-2 definetely much more fun sounding iem and i like it better than the other two

post #2159 of 6743

I don't even know what shotgunshane was comparing? get more treble than the IQ? Which other IEM are you comparing?

so I just posted the treble on IQ was pretty laid back. Is it not? It's definitely not forward.


Edited by Mini0510 - 7/31/13 at 2:12pm
post #2160 of 6743

^   Never mind SGS, most people who have heard the IQs have reported the treble is pretty much like that found on the SM3 & EPH-100.

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