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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

kkcc, thanks for posting your experience, was very interesting and fairly neutral and well written. i still wait to audition ASG2 somewhere in August, if James is kind enough :-D

otherwise very interesting review and findings.

 

but when you say ASG2 is a replacement for H200 are you serious? A 650$ replacement for 250$ IEM, you must be kidding mate. Perhaps you meant UPGRADE, not replacement.

 

Based on what I read about your preference in sound and genre, I think you'd quite like the ASG2.  Yes you are right it's an upgrade.  Replacement as in replacing the spot of the Fun IEM in my current collection.  And I paid much more than $650 for mine.... even it would sound the same as the $550 standard one.... 

 

Been listening to some Linken Park and REM just now on the ASG-2 and I wasn't bother by most of those shortcomings I listed and it performed admirably.  Only the treble is still a bit too hot. Anyone know how many hrs is need for it to be subdued? 

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Anyone tried the new Fiio WT1 silver-plated copper cable (26AWG) on the ASG-W/AS-2 yet? Or will I be the first tonight? If you have I'm interested in your thoughts before I try it. 

post #2043 of 6767
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

Anyone tried the new Fiio WT1 silver-plated copper cable (26AWG) on the ASG-W/AS-2 yet? Or will I be the first tonight? If you have I'm interested in your thoughts before I try it. 

 

I haven't, but I have used the Moon Audio Silver Dragon which is the same copper core and silver plated. There wasn't much sonic difference at all. It did lower the impedance some though. But in the end it didn't make that big of a difference, and I'm not sure the FiiO cable would either. I could be wrong though. 

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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

 

Based on what I read about your preference in sound and genre, I think you'd quite like the ASG2.  Yes you are right it's an upgrade.  Replacement as in replacing the spot of the Fun IEM in my current collection.  And I paid much more than $650 for mine.... even it would sound the same as the $550 standard one.... 

 

Been listening to some Linken Park and REM just now on the ASG-2 and I wasn't bother by most of those shortcomings I listed and it performed admirably.  Only the treble is still a bit too hot. Anyone know how many hrs is need for it to be subdued? 

 

man, i am not sure about my preferences, you can visit H200 and a few other forums and scroll through videos of music i posted. you will see that my preference is no preference, i listen to every music, from classic to African tunes and Arabic chillout. for this reason i went for 1+2 and never looked back. H200 is fun IEM but is not truly universal, still it covers many very well.

 

i am intrigued by ASG2 and hopefully in August i will have my answer regarding their sound... i also wish i could listen to SD3 which is another much talked IEM that competes with ASG2 on the forums.

 

mind this i suspect TG!334 would be my alternative choic. recently one very good mate with golden ears also suggested i should listen to Shure SE846. so i wait when Shure will start shipping them to European shops.

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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

 

Yep, actual in-ear measurement with a compact probe mike. And of course you can extrapolate a personal compensation curve from it.

 

Btw, that particular phone was still rated as having excellent consistency across subjects, since it showed only little variation below 1 kHz and above 6 kHz. Such is the power of statistics, but anyone who's ever used EQ knows what a >10db difference in the midrange really means. smile_phones.gif

 

Bottom line, whenever we're talking about "correctness" with target curves in mind, let's not forget about their statistically derived nature. No one I know would question why their 90 year old neighbor's still alive, based on the fact that (average) male life expectancy is only 80. Yet quite comparable absurdities seem to be much loved among audiophiles and get discussed with great enthusiasm every day. wink.gif

 

(@Eke, sorry for OT)

 

Not very nice, Mr james444! You're effectively crushing my Olive-Welti dreams (I have them almost every night). Every single time I see Olive-Welti (or OW) written / mentioned, my heart starts beating fast, very, very fast — reminds me of the first time I was madly in love for the first time (many moons ago). Your post above is cruel to the max, it's as if you were telling me that that girl I loved so much was worth absolutely nothing. No, not a grumpy sparrow, just very sad.

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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

Not very nice, Mr james444! You're effectively crushing my Olive-Welti dreams (I have them almost every night). Every single time I see Olive-Welti (or OW) written / mentioned, my heart starts beating fast, very, very fast — reminds me of the first time I was madly in love for the first time (many moons ago). Your post above is cruel to the max, it's as if you were telling me that that girl I loved so much was worth absolutely nothing. No, not a grumpy sparrow, just very sad.

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post #2047 of 6767
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

Not very nice, Mr james444! You're effectively crushing my Olive-Welti dreams (I have them almost every night). Every single time I see Olive-Welti (or OW) written / mentioned, my heart starts beating fast, very, very fast — reminds me of the first time I was madly in love for the first time (many moons ago). Your post above is cruel to the max, it's as if you were telling me that that girl I loved so much was worth absolutely nothing. No, not a grumpy sparrow, just very sad.

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Please rest assured, it wasn't my intention to discredit your beloved OW curve. wink.gif

 

Joking aside, I'm pretty sure, if we picked ten head-fiers and measured them with probe mikes, the derived averaged curve would look quite similar to OW. I'm just saying that statistics, while being a great tool to predict outcome for a group, provides most often only shaky ground when talking about individuals. Or, to put it the other way round: you could come up with any target curve, OW, DF or whatnot... those two individuals, whose measurements differed by  >10 db in the midrange, will always hear things differently and have a hard time agreeing on any given phone.

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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

What's your favorite iem right now?

Also, vwinter great review. I agree with your description of the sibilance issue on the ASG-2. But it can vary a good amount based on fit, which is another reason I'm looking forward to measurements. I disagree with your assessment of the ASG-2's vocal timbre. It's warmer than all the reference targets I'm aware of, and the sibilance detracts from vocal accuracy and timbre as well.

Also really appreciate the W4 and IE800 comparisons. Can't wait to try the IE800 for myself now.

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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

Thanks!

Also, I think you're right about the vocal timbre at least in part. I only used my experience in hearing people in life to assess that the vocals didn't sound off to my mind and for the most part they didn't, which is more than I can say for most IEMs I've heard. I did most of my assessive listening for that through the D100 DAC which is different sounding than my other gear. Also fwiw, I kept the sibilance issue seperate because of its limited effective scope. I actually want to do some more listening specifically for this now that you mention it lol. I do stand by my statement that for all the warmth, they have a coldness about them, by which I don't mean brightness, and it helps.

I think you'll probably like the IE800 vocals more.

Ok so I had done more listening and as promised am updating. I stand by my impressions but it's mainly due to semantics. You almost had me, almost lol.

You seem to be intertwining vocal timbre and accuracy into one wholistic definition, whereas I separate them. I maintain that vocal timbre is great because voices sound like voices. They don't sound "off" as in odd or strange or unrealistic. They have good texture, body, and weight, and don't sound hollow, stuffy, or nasal, and so on. I never mentioned vocal accuracy in my write-up and didn't imply that they had it as far as I can see. But then you can get into accuracy to what, life or recordings or masterings? And since they vary across any album, it can get dicey, no? The sibilance does hurt timbre when it shows up but it hasn't been very common in my library.

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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

Hey even tho I'm just an amateur and never did justice to the instrument, I do have 20+ years of experience with the violin and to me it is the king of all instrument!!! Was listening to one of my favorite Tchaikovsky violin concerto in D performances by Heifetz with the ASG-2, and the violin sounded all wrong. None of the smooth and organic reasonanace of the fine gut strings are there anymore.


I think there are still much room for my asg2 to open up and the treble should become more refined with running them in. Will definitely continue to spend time with it and update the thread.

Well then I will defer to your assessment lol. smile.gif

I actually think I might know where you're coming from here and in my mind has something to do with when I wrote that they sounded warm but not really inviting.
Edited by vwinter - 7/26/13 at 1:45pm
post #2049 of 6767
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

I'm just saying that statistics, while being a great tool to predict outcome for a group, provides most often only shaky ground when talking about individuals. Or, to put it the other way round: you could come up with any target curve, OW, DF or whatnot... those two individuals, whose measurements differed by  >10 db in the midrange, will always hear things differently and have a hard time agreeing on any given phone.

 

Going back to my usual grumpiness—actually far too upset right now, tbh—, you're now officially on my ignore list.

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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

I thought I'd share my 'Equalizer' settings on the iPhone for the ASG-2. I think it adds clarity to the upper mids in spades and improves transparency. Vocals sound great.

This right?


Could you screenshot the iPhone music app at your preferred listening volume mate? Even if you play your music on a third party app, go to the apple one and move the dial to where you like please.

I have found third party apps are usually lower in volume at the same settings of the apple music app. Do you know why this is?

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Originally Posted by Theogenes View Post

@Unity: reasonable points, man. Have you talked with Andy about possible exchanging them for another pair, or having them fixed/corrected? 

And regarding the GR07 vs G-2 price/performance ratio, I've found that everybody has a different impression on where the best spot is on the rising slope of diminishing returns. The G-2 is a little higher up the line, but I still find it to offer better value for the money than a JH13FP, etc. I don't doubt the GR07 is a good value though... I considered picking up a pair myself for a while wink.gif

Anyway man, hope everything works out for you!! 

Andy has emailed me the address to ship them back to him. I talked to Andy about the finish first and then the bass. My last message mention the possibility of tuning the driver closer to my taste as I think soundbear was helped with tuning. His last reply follows:


^Sounds reasonable to me.


I would have not posted at all if the bass was tight and the finish well done. I read post by all these people and they really seem to know what their talking about. I'm honestly just shooting in the dark in comparison mate. I however really am dissatisfied with what I pointed out and feel I should post it. Their is a reason I don't go into mids and highs more tho, don't know how to explain what I hear...

You guys seem happy Rins got his hands on them so hurray! #notcompletefailure
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

Going back to my usual grumpiness—actually far too upset right now, tbh—, you're now officially on my ignore list.

wow... :-(

or

wow :-)

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Originally Posted by UnityIsPower View Post

This right?


Could you screenshot the iPhone music app at your preferred listening volume mate? Even if you play your music on a third party app, go to the apple one and move the dial to where you like please.

I have found third party apps are usually lower in volume at the same settings of the apple music app. Do you know why this is?
Andy has emailed me the address to ship them back to him. I talked to Andy about the finish first and then the bass. My last message mention the possibility of tuning the driver closer to my taste as I think soundbear was helped with tuning. His last reply follows:


^Sounds reasonable to me.


I would have not posted at all if the bass was tight and the finish well done. I read post by all these people and they really seem to know what their talking about. I'm honestly just shooting in the dark in comparison mate. I however really am dissatisfied with what I pointed out and feel I should post it. Their is a reason I don't go into mids and highs more tho, don't know how to explain what I hear...

You guys seem happy Rins got his hands on them so hurray! #notcompletefailure

That's the app.

For anyone else interested , shotgunshane's EQ settings are quite nice. It sounds like someone opened a window and let fresh air inside. A lot of the hidden detail comes through and vocals have more energy. I like them for orchestral and soundtracks especially.

Also, that's a pretty nice email.
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Originally Posted by UnityIsPower View Post

This right?


Could you screenshot the iPhone music app at your preferred listening volume mate? Even if you play your music on a third party app, go to the apple one and move the dial to where you like please.

I have found third party apps are usually lower in volume at the same settings of the apple music app. Do you know why this is?

That's it. Most eq apps are quieter because they are lowering the gain, since they know most people will eq up instead of down. If you eq up too high, without adjusting gain, you'll get distortion. Equalizer will let you override that setting and play as loud as the stock ap. So you can manually adjust gain or just use auto-normalizer.

You might want to download a free tone generator amp too. That way you can help pinpoint where the treble peak is for your ears, should you want to eq that down. Otherwise vwinter found his pretty close to my settings.
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Bah, it's too bad that EQ app isn't compatible with the Amazon player. I've got some stuff tied up in the cloud frown.gif
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Originally Posted by Idsynchrono_24 View Post

Bah, it's too bad that EQ app isn't compatible with the Amazon player. I've got some stuff tied up in the cloud frown.gif

Yeaaa, I don't think that'll happen unless Apple buys them out and integrates it into iOS. And they should or something similar.
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