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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post


The quality of aforementioned sarcasm is not worth getting English lessons so do not worry smily_headphones1.gif

Lol. Sarcasm is interesting in that even though it's strictly defined there are many different styles.

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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

Back on topic… Can someone please recommend a good wine to fully appreciate the ASG-2s, and perhaps another wine to fully appreciate the SD3s? And, while I'm at it, does anyone know if there is some "Uber" wine that could possibly help me solve / deal with the serious incoherence issues and grainy treble of the K3003s, at least for a couple of hours?

Oddly enough, after reading this my brain, thinking of the ASG-2, instantly remembered this fantastic very earthy, strong but clean South American Sauvignon Blanc. I feel like it was Argentinean...

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I disagree with this. I've experienced both good and bad with different cables. The first cable I tried as a matter of fact I experienced both good and bad. I purchased a 5 OCC pure silver cable from eBay seller zeroshoe. It literally turned my IE8s into sibilant garbage. This was worse than the EX1000s for me. I was pissed to say the least. I contacted him and ripped him a new one lol. He asked me to run the cable in for a few days and then get back to him. At the the time I thought he was BSing me of course....

Well anyways after letting the IE8s run in for a few days it sounded much better. The spikes were gone. Very smooth yet there was more treble emphasis than before. Mid bass slightly decreased. The mids came slightly more forward while the sound stage got bigger. As a result the IE8s were clearer sounding. I later emailed him an apology and thanked him for such a good cable. I was a believer now.

Note that's not the only time I've had bad experiences with cables. Even with interconnects depending on the source I'll find my silver cable LOD to make things too fatiguing & it leans out the mids and bass while increasing lower treble upper mids presence. This is the case on my AK120 paired with the T1 amp. I much prefer copper cable on this combination. It brings the vocals slightly more upfront yet not in a fatiguing way. The sound staging as a whole is more intimate. The sound is warmer overall with slightly more bass quantity. More natural I'd say. The copper is also significantly cheaper than my silver cable LOD BTW. wink.gif

Lol your story doesn't help your cause since it ended up better but I know what you meant. Thanks for putting up your experiences. The LOD thing is interesting because I would have assumed that would have less of an effect than cables between amp and speaker.

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

You know, I'm at a point where all I hear are differences, not improvements. I really like the silver/gold cable, but I don't think it's "better" than the stock westone style cable. What it does is snip certain parts of the ASG-2's signature to make them line up more evenly. It's not that it improves resolution, or increases dynamic range or anything like that. It just slightly alters the sound in a way that I find appealing...on some days. On other days I prefer how the stock cable sounds. Does that make the stock cable "better" than the silver/gold?
 
What I think I'm hearing is how the different materials interact with the signature. For instance, I tried the BTG audio copper cable on the ASG-2 and heard zero difference whatsoever. Same goes for a few other cables I've tried. I could buy a $100 amp that may affect the sound in the same way that the silver/gold cable can. It's just up to the consumer to decide what is best for him/her.

This is more my line of thought. I don't see a cable being able to change the inherent driver abilities so much as use them in different ways, with different emphases. I have less cable experience than you so it's good to see I'm on the right track.

Funny you should mention the amp. After some experimenting and reading all these cable impressions, the D100 amp section sound like a silver cable on steroids, it's very similar changes but not subtle lol.
Edited by vwinter - 7/19/13 at 6:38am
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I think it does. It proves that initially I did not like the sound at all. It was not something subtle either. It was ridiculous. That contrast between the first time hooking the IEM to the cable and then listening to it 2 days later was nothing small. Generally the differences on a LOD will be more subtle than from a cable itself on an IEM. But it's there for me and still noticeable. Enough so to even make or break synergy in my case.
 

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Bluebear, Tralucent cables are very capable of this, i would suggest get one if you can.

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

I think it does. It proves that initially I did not like the sound at all. It was not something subtle either. It was ridiculous. That contrast between the first time hooking the IEM to the cable and then listening to it 2 days later was nothing small. Generally the differences on a LOD will be more subtle than from a cable itself on an IEM. But it's there for me and still noticeable. Enough so to even make or break synergy in my case.

 

Yea, but who knows what to attribute that too. The end result is still the same. The LOD thing is a better example but less of a fun story lol. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Bluebear View Post

So in the case of ASG-2's sound signature, do you recommend a pure copper-based custom cable, a copper with silver plated cable or a silver+gold custom cable? Since ASG-2 leans more on the mid-centric/bassy side, it would go better with silver or silver+gold cable for improved clarity/brightness than copper cable? This question goes out to anyone who has a recommendation.

EDIT: Also I read that many comparison between ASG-2 versus 1plus2 are made based on using ASG-2's cheap stock cable whereas 1plus2 is using Tralucent's silver/silver+gold (not uber) cable with 1plus2 having better clarity, imaging and 3D soundstage. What if we pit ASG-2 using similar high-end silver+gold cable against 1plus2? Would it not close the gap in that area of sound signature and still maintain ASG-2's advantage of richer midrange for vocals?


If what you're looking for is clarity, the newer 1p2 revisons have that, plus improved mids and subbass. Their thinner note presentation may offer you the clarity you want. The silver/gold cable on the ASG-2 does close the gap in signatures, but the price of the ASG-2+tralucent cable is enough to get you a 1p2 if that's what you really want.
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

If what you're looking for is clarity, the newer 1p2 revisons have that, plus improved mids and subbass. Their thinner note presentation may offer you the clarity you want. The silver/gold cable on the ASG-2 does close the gap in signatures, but the price of the ASG-2+tralucent cable is enough to get you a 1p2 if that's what you really want.

I'm confused on this "newer" 1+2 talk. I only know of the original 1+2, which sounded V shaped with bigger bass and the revised 1+2 which is slightly U shaped, with excellent sub bass and top end sparkle. Are you saying there are 2 versions of the revised edition?
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post


If what you're looking for is clarity, the newer 1p2 revisons have that, plus improved mids and subbass. Their thinner note presentation may offer you the clarity you want. The silver/gold cable on the ASG-2 does close the gap in signatures, but the price of the ASG-2+tralucent cable is enough to get you a 1p2 if that's what you really want.

 

But the majority of my music collection are vocal ones which emphasize more on the forward richer midrange that ASG-2 offers, not so much instrumental or classical. I personally also prefer a warmer tone signature. From what I read about the 1plus2 on this thread as well as various other forums, it is more of a thinner note presentation and sounded more distant and airy with its overall soundstage. I don't think I would like a distant/airy/hollow sounding signature. So I would prefer to keep the richer/warmer tone and try to improve on its clarity with cable+amp, etc. I don't usually sit down in a quiet private place and listen to my music, so big amp/dac doesn't suit my usage pattern. Cable is the only option I can try to get a better clarity.

 

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I'm confused on this "newer" 1+2 talk. I only know of the original 1+2, which sounded V shaped with bigger bass and the revised 1+2 which is slightly U shaped, with excellent sub bass and top end sparkle. Are you saying there are 2 versions of the revised edition?

 

How would you tell which version of 1+2 you get if you buy it now especially assuming if you have never heard either version before? Is there some physical difference from its look that we can tell them apart?


Edited by Bluebear - 7/19/13 at 7:28am
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

I'm confused on this "newer" 1+2 talk. I only know of the original 1+2, which sounded V shaped with bigger bass and the revised 1+2 which is slightly U shaped, with excellent sub bass and top end sparkle. Are you saying there are 2 versions of the revised edition?

No not at all. I was referring to the revised "u" one
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Originally Posted by Bluebear View Post

But the majority of my music collection are vocal ones which emphasize more on the forward richer midrange that ASG-2 offers, not so much instrumental or classical. I personally also prefer a warmer tone signature. From what I read about the 1plus2 on this thread as well as various other forums, it is more of a thinner note presentation and sounded more distant and airy with its overall soundstage. I don't think I would like a distant/airy/hollow sounding signature. So I would prefer to keep the richer/warmer tone and try to improve on its clarity with cable+amp, etc. I don't usually sit down in a quiet private place and listen to my music, so big amp/dac doesn't suit my usage pattern. Cable is the only option I can try to get a better clarity.

I understand, but wait until you have the asg-2 to decide if you want more clarity. I find it quite clear and tonally accurate.
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Originally Posted by Bluebear View Post

But the majority of my music collection are vocal ones which emphasize more on the forward richer midrange that ASG-2 offers, not so much instrumental or classical. I personally also prefer a warmer tone signature. From what I read about the 1plus2 on this thread as well as various other forums, it is more of a thinner note presentation and sounded more distant and airy with its overall soundstage. I don't think I would like a distant/airy/hollow sounding signature. So I would prefer to keep the richer/warmer tone and try to improve on its clarity with cable+amp, etc. I don't usually sit down in a quiet private place and listen to my music, so big amp/dac doesn't suit my usage pattern. Cable is the only option I can try to get a better clarity.

Two things:
1. To describe the sonic image for you, the ASG-2 reminds me of the deep blackeness of space, but not cold (except where sound can actually travel tongue.gif), where the images are incredibly concentrated, but not small, and powerful, like bright stars.

2. When you say clarity, what do you mean?
Edited by vwinter - 7/19/13 at 7:43am
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The original 1+2 is no longer made, so no chance of getting that one.
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lol at the hollow comment. The tralucent is anything but hollow ;).
 

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

lol at the hollow comment. The tralucent is anything but hollow wink.gif.
 

This is easily going to be a problem of differing definitions, similarly to why I asked for a definition of clarity.
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

The original 1+2 is no longer made, so no chance of getting that one.

 

Unless you use the wonderful Head-fi.org classifieds

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With clarity I define that as how clear the IEM is. To some extend it does go hand in hand with being bright. But not all the time (and some get the two mixed up). There are exceptions to the rule.
 

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Unless you use the wonderful Head-fi.org classifieds


Not sure if you'll even find them there. :P

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