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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post


That's because the bore of the TS200 is entirely too small for the 1P2. You may as well have used a Westone tip on it. The 400 or 500 series would be far more ideal.

 

Doesn't look that way to me. I have both the T400 tips on me and the bore is the same size. The only real difference between these tips is that the large TS200s are a little wider which allows for me to get a seal on my IEMs. While the T400s I'll actually rely on the IEM housing to achieve a seal (Sennheiser IE8).


Edited by lee730 - 7/15/13 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

Doesn't look that way to me. I have both the T400 tips on me and the bore is the same size. The only real difference between these tips is that the large TS200s are a little wider which allows for me to get a seal on my IEMs. While the T400s I'll actually rely on the IEM housing to achieve a seal (Sennheiser IE8).



From right to left:

Ts500, shure olive (t-200 equivalent), t-100.

Furthermore, note the overhanging foam on the olive and t-100. That's the cause of most of the clarity issues. It's the equivalent of almost stuffing foam down the nozzle.
Edited by eke2k6 - 7/15/13 at 6:39pm
post #1578 of 6720

A couple pictures of my T400 and TS200 next to each other. Same bore size same height. Slightly different shape in width (the TS200 is more round shaped like traditional ear tips). But the size of these bores seem to reflect that large coply tips you have on the left. The middle one would not fit the Kaede or 1Plus2 from the looks of it.


Edit: My bad the tips that come with the Kaede are T-200 from what I'm reading. Now I'm more confused than ever because I've ordered T400 tips in the past for the IE8s and the bore size was the same size as the tips I have in front of me. Still not big enough personally as you have to fight to get the tips on and off. I ended up breaking my IE8 because of this.

 


Edited by lee730 - 7/15/13 at 6:55pm
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The 200 series is made to fit Sony sized nozzles which are 4mm.

The 400 series is made to fit nozzles around 5mm.

The 500 series was made to fit the TF10 and IE8, which are 5.5 mm.

 

Just a mm or two distance from the reference plane can affect treble response, extension and resonances, so it's quite reasonable that just a mm or two difference in core/opening diameter will have just as significant effects.


Edited by shotgunshane - 7/15/13 at 7:21pm
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Well I just ordered 5 pairs of T-500 (large) and hope you are right. If the center area is bigger that would be more ideal for removing and putting on the tips.
 

post #1581 of 6720
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

Well I just ordered 5 pairs of T-500 (large) and hope you are right. If the center area is bigger that would be more ideal for removing and putting on the tips.

TS or T series? You might have overhang issues with the plain T. Tupac cuts those down to eliminate the overhang.
post #1582 of 6720
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post


TS or T series? You might have overhang issues with the plain T. Tupac cuts those down to eliminate the overhang.


So TS is better than the T for this? I'm currently using the T-200 tips now and I'm actually liking it quite a bit on the 1Plus2. I had to fiddle with the fit. Basically I cannot compress them and expect a good fit. I just plop them in my ears as is and I get a good seal :).


Edited by lee730 - 7/15/13 at 7:59pm
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IMO yes. The TS is rounder, more like a standard silicone tip shape and doesn't have foam overhang that can get squished over the tip opening.

The T series is longer, so you can get a deeper fit but sometimes foam can fold over the opening causing the issues others (and yourself) described. Tupac and others like to use these but cut a couple of mm's off the top.
Edited by shotgunshane - 7/15/13 at 8:07pm
post #1584 of 6720
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

IMO yes. The TS is rounder, more like a standard silicone tip shape and doesn't have foam overhang than can get squished over the tip opening.

The T series is longer, so you can get a deeper fit but sometimes foam can fold over the opening causing the issues others (and yourself) described. Tupac and others like to use these but cut a couple of mm's off the top.


The thing is Shane the TS200 tips I have here next to my T200 tips are the exact same Height? So I don't know where you are coming from on overhang... I'd assume the TS500 would be the same in height as well as the T500? Basically what I'm getting at is I'm liking the sound more on the T200 than the TS200....

post #1585 of 6720
The overhang is the amount of foam that extends past the inner core of the tip.

I have the T500 too and like them but they are pickier to use, especially for canals with sharper bends; luckily mine are fairly straight and rarely have issues.

If you end up hating them, try cutting some of the excess foam and see if it improves for you.
post #1586 of 6720
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

The overhang is the amount of foam that extends past the inner core of the tip.

I have the T500 too and like them but they are pickier to use, especially for canals with sharper bends; luckily mine are fairly straight and rarely have issues.

If you end up hating them, try cutting some of the excess foam and see if it improves for you.

 

I think a problem I had with the TS200 is while it does give a really good fit I don't think it conformed to my ears in the best way. My ears are actually quite the contrary to what you just said yet I like the T200 better :P. I have large ear canals with a sharp crook into the second bend (like an "L". The T200 tips just slide right in. If I compress them then I'll have issues with getting a fit.

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I've switched back to the Ortofon tips, which have worked best for me thus far. (Definitely like them better than the Complys, which I used last). If anyone is interested, I've found that with metal music in particular, I tend to prefer the sound w/ EQ on JRMC 18 backed down 1.5dB at 170Hz and 310Hz. Guitars seem noticeably more clear and easy to distinguish that way.

These have some sort of black magic ability to be eminently listenable and enjoyable at greater volumes than I normally tend to listen, so I find myself having to watch the volume quite a bit more closely. But the treble is still fully present and wonderfully detailed... Don't know how they do it, but loving it thus far!!
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Nice impressions. Thanks for posting them. I can't comment agreeing with much since I don't have or have heard the EX-1000 but I do have a few general comments.

  • You seem to like the bass port closed. In my very short time playing around with it. I got the feeling that the dynamic driver needed to breathe a little to sound it's best in the low end. Opening it up even a tiny bit seemed to tighten up the bass but it also caused very large increases in bass quantity so it's a tradeoff if you don't want a ton of bass.
  • The soundstage thing is odd since I actually hear it on the more conservative side, especially next to the best I've heard. I feel like its due to shortish decay but that would be a guess. This makes it sound like every "room" the music is playing in is well dampened.
  • You have the CK100pro which is no doubt a fast BA from what I've read. The ASG-2s dynamic driver is incredibly fast across the bass and midrange to my ears, easily keeping up with any BA based I've heard and has no problem whatsoever with any of the vocal trance tracks I have on hand. Could you perhaps throw out a song name or even PM me a name so that I could see what you mean. What it doesn't really try to do in my limited listening is try to separate instruments as much as possible. Could this be what you mean?

 

My judgement is heavily influenced by the 690 price tag that most people have bought it. At that price point it is only natural for me to be a lot picky on things which could be considered minor if the price of the gear was around 300-400 dollar mark. It is that at $690 USD there are many great competition out there. 

 

I have the bass port opened to midway between close and the first notch. To me on quiet listening session beyond that point adds way too much mid-bass. 

 

To my ears ASG-2 sound is not linear, at quiet volumes the sound is quiet balanced but as the volume increases bass and mid-range will dominate. 

 

As far as album goes Half blood album of Peter Gabriel track one, the rhythm of heat from 3:52 till the ending the bass dominates and basically masks all the other instrument, specially at the end the IEM seems to just struggle to keep up to the fast rhythm, that problem is non-existent on CK100PRO.

 

This is not the CD version that I have but it does have the same bass problem I hear in the cd track. 

 

post #1589 of 6720
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Originally Posted by Theogenes View Post

I've switched back to the Ortofon tips, which have worked best for me thus far. (Definitely like them better than the Complys, which I used last). If anyone is interested, I've found that with metal music in particular, I tend to prefer the sound w/ EQ on JRMC 18 backed down 1.5dB at 170Hz and 310Hz. Guitars seem noticeably more clear and easy to distinguish that way.

These have some sort of black magic ability to be eminently listenable and enjoyable at greater volumes than I normally tend to listen, so I find myself having to watch the volume quite a bit more closely. But the treble is still fully present and wonderfully detailed... Don't know how they do it, but loving it thus far!!

Hmm so even with the ports closed, you are still EQing the bass down when listening to metal? Deary me. The bass sounds so frightening :O
But besides this "problem" (I know it's not really a problem but my English is too broken right now to find the proper word) they do very well with this genre, right? Black Metal shouldn't be a problem, but what about stoner or sludge?
post #1590 of 6720
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Originally Posted by Tom Yum Goong View Post

Hmm so even with the ports closed, you are still EQing the bass down when listening to metal? Deary me. The bass sounds so frightening :O
But besides this "problem" (I know it's not really a problem but my English is too broken right now to find the proper word) they do very well with this genre, right? Black Metal shouldn't be a problem, but what about stoner or sludge?
Stoner might sound a bit high / rocky while sludge will sound muddy. Ok I will quit trolling...
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