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post #46 of 87
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

But why add three drivers? I figure one extra driver for some extra extension in the treble would be all you need in the 535? Also, what kind of drivers were added, are the extra three all going to be bass/mids/treble? And yeah, I suppose they know what they are doing.


To be honest I don't know why I went for 3 added drivers, I guess it's because the JH13pro has 6 so having the 3 extra drivers to my 535's will take them to 6.
The order is only processing at the moment, so I may try and cancel it and order UM's miracle.
The only problem with doing that is it'll add £175 to what the reshelling of my 535's cost.
I'll have a word with UM UK and see what can be done.
post #47 of 87
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

I have JH13s now as well as a loaner pair of 1plus2s, so when I'm next in Tokyo I should be able to try the Shures and compare. Might be a while though!

Jh13 vs 1plus2, likes/dislikes/preferences?

 

The 1plus2s are a bit more "musical" -- a touch v-shaped in FR making it sound more spacious than the JH-13s which are more flat. I remember the 846s have more bass, as do the JH16s.

post #48 of 87
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Originally Posted by danpong View Post

Imho, the option you choose is rather a gimmick from UM as it will all come down to the frequency response for each house, which are totally different.  UM didn't show us how will they do with the added drivers and how will they configure those roll off for each driver and each frequency range.  It is not how many drivers you have but how you use each driver correctly.  You need to spend another $470 more to do this.  I think it might be better of for you to sell the 535 and add a little more money to go for the real one like JH13 or even UM miracle.  Also, if you like SE535 because of the mid then you might like Fitear TG334 as the mid is very luscious comparing to SE535. 


I've decided to take your advice danpong, and have cancelled the order for having my 535's customised, and have ordered the UM miracle instead. However because after so long I find my 535's start to feel uncomfortable, I might eventually have them customised like I was going to do, but I won't have any drivers added.
I was considering the Fitear ToGo334's, but decided not to bother because I've had enough of universals.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on what you felt would be the best thing to do.
post #49 of 87
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post


I've decided to take your advice danpong, and have cancelled the order for having my 535's customised, and have ordered the UM miracle instead. However because after so long I find my 535's start to feel uncomfortable, I might eventually have them customised like I was going to do, but I won't have any drivers added.
I was considering the Fitear ToGo334's, but decided not to bother because I've had enough of universals.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on what you felt would be the best thing to do.

glad I can help.  I went down the road from ER4P + SE530 then JH3A without a fit.  Then Coming back to TG334.  I think your issue with SE535 might be because of the tip.  Have you ever tried comply foam tip before? If you choose the right size they are really comfortable.  I was on the trip with SE530 on the comply foam tip and didn't have a problem. 

post #50 of 87
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Originally Posted by danpong View Post

glad I can help.  I went down the road from ER4P + SE530 then JH3A without a fit.  Then Coming back to TG334.  I think your issue with SE535 might be because of the tip.  Have you ever tried comply foam tip before? If you choose the right size they are really comfortable.  I was on the trip with SE530 on the comply foam tip and didn't have a problem. 

I did have some custom sleeves for my 535's which made them extremely comfortable, but unfortunately for me I lost them while moving home. I could have the same custom sleeves made again, but I like the idea that UM have several different finishes for their customs, to which as is know, the 535's can be turned into.
post #51 of 87

Just saw this thread. Maybe I'll do a comparison of the two in the thread title later- but I'm having trouble keeping the SE846 out of my ear.

post #52 of 87

what tip did you use?  have you tried comply foam tip?  maybe you need a small size.

post #53 of 87
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Originally Posted by jelt2359 View Post

Just saw this thread. Maybe I'll do a comparison of the two in the thread title later- but I'm having trouble keeping the SE846 out of my ear.

You also own a JH13/JH16? Is it freqphase? I'm curious to hear your take on this, because if I don't enjoy my SE846's, I'll finally plunge into customs with a JH13... redface.gif

post #54 of 87

Non-freqphase.

 

I put some impressions here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/675219/shure-se846-appreciation-thread/15#post_9720028

 

Frankly, as good as the JH13s sound, I don't feel I lose much with the Shure SE846. In fact I gain some muscality and oh those wonderful vocals.. But the comfort and convenience factor really triumph all for me, so the JH13s don't get much listening. If you're the kind who prefers your HE6 to all your universals, for example, then you may be better off with customs. For me, HE6 also has its own problems (so heavy! need to be amped at home! etc)..

post #55 of 87
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Originally Posted by jelt2359 View Post

Non-freqphase.

 

I put some impressions here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/675219/shure-se846-appreciation-thread/15#post_9720028

 

Frankly, as good as the JH13s sound, I don't feel I lose much with the Shure SE846. In fact I gain some muscality and oh those wonderful vocals.. But the comfort and convenience factor really triumph all for me, so the JH13s don't get much listening. If you're the kind who prefers your HE6 to all your universals, for example, then you may be better off with customs. For me, HE6 also has its own problems (so heavy! need to be amped at home! etc)..

Interesting, thanks for your input. Right now my two favourite headphones are the HD800 and HE6. My current IEM is the K3003i, and I'm hoping I prefer the Shures to it. This saturday I'll be at a local meet with a few head-fiers and will get someone I know who owns the JH13 freqphase to try the 846's, and tell me how he thinks they compare.

 

I guess I like a reference-type sound but would want a bit more bass for an on the go/ commute earphone.

 

I haven't got customs yet because I'm not looking forward to getting impressions and possibly re-fits. However, the JH13's may be in the not so distant future for me redface.gif

post #56 of 87

If that's the kind of sound you like, I've had great success driving the SE846 out of the balanced out of my HM901. They really shine with great amps.

 

I love my HE6, but they're also the least comfortable (just so heavy on the head!).

 

My JH13s are second, but the seal is not perfect (it breaks when I move my head certain angles), although to get a 'perfect' seal they'll probably have to hurt because they'll seal too much in regular use (I sent them back once after getting a 'perfect seal' because it hurt after prolonged wearing), so I use them very little these days.


Edited by jelt2359 - 8/19/13 at 1:27am
post #57 of 87
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Originally Posted by jelt2359 View Post

If that's the kind of sound you like, I've had great success driving the SE846 out of the balanced out of my HM901. They really shine with great amps.

 

I love my HE6, but they're also the least comfortable (just so heavy on the head!).

 

My JH13s are second, but the seal is not perfect (it breaks when I move my head certain angles), although to get a 'perfect' seal they'll probably have to hurt because they'll seal too much in regular use (I sent them back once after getting a 'perfect seal' because it hurt after prolonged wearing), so I use them very little these days.

That's a shame. Sometimes the whole cIEM business almost seems like a scam, there's not really any way to see if your piece sounds as good as it should, and you won't get a refund. 

So why don't you send them back a second time?

post #58 of 87
I have now moved back to Asia and don't relish sending them back for both cost and time reasons.

Plus like I said they went from slightly too tight to too slightly too loose, so I'm not sure how to fix it. But I prefer too loose to too tight.

Ciems really seem to me to be for musicians who would never need to take them out on stage. Or who need iems in their ears for their work. Not for practical usage.
post #59 of 87
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Originally Posted by David1961 View Post

To be honest I don't know why I went for 3 added drivers, I guess it's because the JH13pro has 6 so having the 3 extra drivers to my 535's will take them to 6.
The order is only processing at the moment, so I may try and cancel it and order UM's miracle.
The only problem with doing that is it'll add £175 to what the reshelling of my 535's cost.
I'll have a word with UM UK and see what can be done.
I know that it's been a while but I would like to opine. I had a pair of SE535. I think that they can't improve the performance of the SE535 just adding drivers, there's frequency overlapping, but about the process of customization with your ear impressions I'll say go for it. Just that I believe that adding drivers, in this case, is just like putting the double of speakers inside a car. There's so much to consider about acustic to really get a clean flat response.
post #60 of 87
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Originally Posted by fermelom View Post

I know that it's been a while but I would like to opine. I had a pair of SE535. I think that they can't improve the performance of the SE535 just adding drivers, there's frequency overlapping, but about the process of customization with your ear impressions I'll say go for it. Just that I believe that adding drivers, in this case, is just like putting the double of speakers inside a car. There's so much to consider about acustic to really get a clean flat response.

Thank you for your opinion fermelom, but I've ended up ordering the UM Miracle instead of having my 535's customised. Some other Head-fiers also said they didn't think there would be any improvements in SQ by adding more drivers to the 535's, so I thought rather than have my 535's altered I might as well get the Miracle.
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