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post #301 of 753
Personally I have not worn beats for more than a few minutes so can't give any impressions. But my girlfriend has worn it told me she doesn't see what's so good about it sounds like any other headphone. When she tried my superlux 668b she told me it was better. So yeah unbiased opnion
post #302 of 753
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Originally Posted by kimvictor View Post

That's why I said semi audiophile. Anyways, you can still get one in Asia, if you are interested.

 

From what I remember about both sound signatures, I could see the D600 being a good headphone to compare the Pros to. If only their midrange was a little less dry.

post #303 of 753
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Originally Posted by meyner View Post

well if the denon's weren't discontinued you could prolly get D2000 and mod them with D7000 or D5000 cups for less than $400 and get better sound and a lot of bass

I have. From an iPod, you still need an amp for the D2000s to get near the same loudness of the Beats. Now with an amp, yea you can make your head rattle.

 

Still the problems:

1. The Denons are not meant for portability.

2. Of course, non audiophiles aren't going to strap amps to their iPods any time soon lol.

post #304 of 753
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Originally Posted by siles1991 View Post

Personally I have not worn beats for more than a few minutes so can't give any impressions. But my girlfriend has worn it told me she doesn't see what's so good about it sounds like any other headphone. When she tried my superlux 668b she told me it was better. So yeah unbiased opnion

My friends, who have been given beats headphones as Christmas gifts, all have the same exact opinion. I suggested an ATH-M50 for them and they're in love! :D

post #305 of 753
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Originally Posted by nothing4me View Post

My friends, who have been given beats headphones as Christmas gifts, all have the same exact opinion. I suggested an ATH-M50 for them and they're in love! :D

When I compare my ATH M50's with Beats with my friends I get comments like "not as loud" "not enough bass" and "stereo separation not as good"

post #306 of 753

^(@inther) i understand your claiming that the people you've talked to about the beats were not ignorant of the fact that there are other headphones out there that is highly touted here yet even after listening to such cans they believe the beats is still better. Fair enough and good for them. Everyone is entitled to their unique tastes as long as they are aware of wat is available. 

 

but in your opinion do you believe that such mindset will be the overwhelming majority if you were to educate all the beat users out there of all the options? Although you may have talked to some regarding this i strongly believe that in most case, many of the people out there have not heard of other phones like the people you talk about. Although my sample size is quite small a very large majority of my aquaintences or friends who use the beats were not aware the various options. Although some agreed and some disagreed whether or not other phones sounded better, to me it is a bit saddening none the less because there are people that firmly believe beats are the best not knowing other phones just like how there is people who bash beats without ever listening to them. Both case atrocities occur quite frequently in my opinion


Edited by meyner - 6/26/13 at 1:11am
post #307 of 753
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Originally Posted by meyner View Post

^(@inther) i understand your claiming that the people you've talked to about the beats were not ignorant of the fact that there are other headphones out there that is highly touted here yet even after listening to such cans they believe the beats is still better. Fair enough and good for them. Everyone is entitled to their unique tastes as long as they are aware of wat is available. 

 

but in your opinion do you believe that such mindset will be the overwhelming majority if you were to educate all the beat users out there of all the options? Although you may have talked to some regarding this i strongly believe that in most case, many of the people out there have not heard of other phones like the people you talk about. Although my sample size is quite small a very large majority of my aquaintences or friends who use the beats were not aware the various options. Although some agreed and some disagreed whether or not other phones sounded better, to me it is a bit saddening none the less because there are people that firmly believe beats are the best not knowing other phones just like how there is people who bash beats without ever listening to them. Both case atrocities occur quite frequently in my opinion

 Well, that's just it, it would be my opinion. I introduce new headphones to my friends all the time-it's been a personal quest of mine for the last 3 years to fine THE headphone that makes them go "BEATS SUCK, THESE ARE GREAT!" The closest I've come is Marshall Major FX 50's.........the've shot down all V-Modas from the LP's to the M100's. All Ultrasones and Sennheisers. AKGs. It doesn't matter. 

 

  They have a different preference and perception of sound quality and that's just it. Everyone is talking about exposing them to "better quality headphones". Well I have in MY opinion, not theirs. 

post #308 of 753
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Originally Posted by HesterDW View Post

I have. From an iPod, you still need an amp for the D2000s to get near the same loudness of the Beats. Now with an amp, yea you can make your head rattle.

 

Still the problems:

1. The Denons are not meant for portability.

2. Of course, non audiophiles aren't going to strap amps to their iPods any time soon lol.

 This is what I'm trying to get audiophiles to understand.

post #309 of 753

lol that was a lapse of judgement from my part. Since i almost always listen to music indoors at home (not much portable listening) portability issue left my mind for a moment there. I dont think i've ever really liked a portable pair of headphones even if its something well acclaimed like momentum, hd-25, dt 1350, etc. Too much compromises and makes me sad cause it always sounds worse than when i'm at home. Nothing can beat a trusty dedicated amp and dac to go with your favorite pair. But if you want to listen to music on the go i guess you have no choice.

 

I personally just bring my denons with me in my back pack using a slappa case with a Fiio7 and listen while in my TA office or programming on campus. Suxs for whoever sits next to me cause the music leaks like crazy lol

post #310 of 753

Even monster headphones are much better than beats. Noel Lee, who designed the beats and monster headphones admitted it himself. Yet, all of my friends(non audiophiles only) thinks that beats are better and Noel Lee is dumb, as they believe Dr.Dre is the one who technically designed the beats!

post #311 of 753
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Originally Posted by kimvictor View Post

Even monster headphones are much better than beats. Noel Lee, who designed the beats and monster headphones admitted it himself. Yet, all of my friends(non audiophiles only) thinks that beats are better and Noel Lee is dumb, as they believe Dr.Dre is the one who technically designed the beats!

 You're probably right, but Noel Lee wouldn't profit much if he said the headphones that just left out the door were better than his new models:)

 

 It presents an interesting dichotomy to say the least. The new Monster cans are better looking, are already in the stores and have Monsters famed marketing team behind them. Beats are also still in all the stores. Let's see who sells.


Edited by inthere - 6/26/13 at 5:18am
post #312 of 753
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Originally Posted by inthere View Post

 You're probably right, but Noel Lee wouldn't profit much if he said the headphones that just left out the door were better than his new models:)

 

 It presents an interesting dichotomy to say the least. The new Monster cans are better looking, are already in the stores and have Monsters famed marketing team behind them. Beats are also still in all the stores. Let's see who sells.

Well, beats do have a huge head start, and celebrity support... so unless monster can get some celebrities to wear them, it's unlikely that Monster headphones are going to sell as well as beats, regardless of the fact that they sound better.

post #313 of 753
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Originally Posted by ev13wt View Post


On the 25s the bass IS flat. But it can be boring many times. I'd rather listen to Beyer dt 770s because of that. But I love both headphones. *shrug*

My problem is with the quality of the bass of the hd25:  just listen to a whole techno album like the wire compilations , or drexciya . Impact always sound same,  little variations, poor detail levels,  it kills the genre.  I just find annoying to see the hd25 praised for their bass, I  find it misleading. The bass is just ok, for mainstream music.

For those that criticize people that think beats are great, while listening stuff like lady gaga , I'd say I  can't help thinking that the hd25 were tweaked for mainstream music.

 

By  the way , I  saw once an artist (cheb kader)  working with both the hd25 & the beats pro on some pic at facebook (in fact there was two guys on pic).   I  wish I  could  find again the pic, but I think it was deleted.  But I  concluded that beats pro must be enough good for some studio work wink.gif

post #314 of 753
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Originally Posted by siles1991 View Post

Personally I have not worn beats for more than a few minutes so can't give any impressions. But my girlfriend has worn it told me she doesn't see what's so good about it sounds like any other headphone. When she tried my superlux 668b she told me it was better. So yeah unbiased opnion


I like unbiased opinion, but it would be nice to state , what is the beat model she tried. Also I guess it depends of her music tastes (does she listen hip hop ?)

post #315 of 753
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

My problem is with the quality of the bass of the hd25:  just listen to a whole techno album like the wire compilations , or drexciya . Impact always sound same,  little variations, poor detail levels,  it kills the genre.  I just find annoying to see the hd25 praised for their bass, I  find it misleading. The bass is just ok, for mainstream music.
For those that criticize people that think beats are great, while listening stuff like lady gaga , I'd say I  can't help thinking that the hd25 were tweaked for mainstream music.

You are fully entitled to your opinion. I personally think the "bass" is decent on the 25s. It not of the quality and amount as the Beyers t5p or what not, but I think it actually does show the recording for what it is. Listening to the 25s right now, skipping through a bunch of electronic tracks. While there is a slight emphais on mid bass, its not over powering and all the sub info is quite accurate. But lets not forget, these are what - 200 dollar headphones? What do beats cost and how much more bloated is the bass? Not even talking about mids or highs here.

Edit: Compared directly to DT 770 600Ohm - you are correct - the bass is much clearer and more defined than the 25s, and there is more of it - But they are much bigger headphones too - hardly portable. I know, I've tried.
Edited by ev13wt - 6/26/13 at 9:02am
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