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post #46 of 58
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

Why can't these forums be allowed to comment on subjective experiences without the science mafia crashing every thread? These debates belong in the science forum.

 

I was responding to objective claims made by duncan1. If you want to keep things subjective in these forums, then the rules should prohibit objective claims from being made in these forums.

 

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These debates belong in the science forum.

 

Yes. I said the same thing. And in response, duncan1 called me a Nazi.

 

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post #47 of 58

I second that. Every time I mention subjectivism I get a ton of criticism even though every Hi-Fi forum in the World [and I know a few] speak subjectively  try speaking without being subjective in these forums??? It cant be done. Some people wont admit they are organic human beings who speak subjectively /listen subjectively  >There are plenty of forums on science only but that's okay But dare to speak "out of turn" and you get pulverized by the angry posts . I don't want to continually justify myself here apart from it being wearing I have many responsible things to do at home.

       Now because somebody doesn't believe I wrote letters to EW I have to dig out 25Years of them and read through them I have better things in my life to do .I have a poor opinion of science they keep changing their point of view.My old maths teacher at high school showed on the board that  2+2=5 using algebra after that maths didn't mean the same to me.I am a subjective because I am a human being not a robot. 

post #48 of 58

If you don't want to have to justify yourself, then don't make objective claims as you did previously. You can't have it both ways, making objective claims and then when those claims are questioned or challenged, go running and hiding behind the mommy's skirt of "subjectivity." Objective claims should always be open to question and/or challenge, so if you don't want to be questioned and/or challenged, then don't make them.

 

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Edited by Steve Eddy - 5/25/13 at 7:25am
post #49 of 58

Mommy's skirt of subjectivity???- If there is a prize  for being patronizing/condescending /arrogant well you win. I would never speak in that way to people I hate arrogance and refuse to be "brow beaten" down. Your comments are subjective don't you realize that? Proving that people cant communicate without  being subjective. This thread is all about fuses and I answered in a practical manner -type of fuse/ material of end caps of fuse conductivity between gold/silver. is it the comment about cheap fuse holders? they are as they say in the UK-"as cheap as chips"[french fries] If you pay big bucks for a product you are entitled to top quality.not low grade parts. fuses holders "biting in" to the fuse present a lower amount of electrical resistance to the connection rather than a push fit  into dead cheap PCB clips Which dont apply as good a connection as spring loaded 90 degree ones. Even British Telecom knows this. 

post #50 of 58
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Originally Posted by duncan1 View Post

<snip> Sounds like the Masons to me. </snip>

 

And one of the finest fraternal organizations in the world, with billions spent on hospitals for children that have burn or orthopaedic problems, totally free of charge to the parents or guardians.

Just have a look at http://www.shrinershospitalsforchildren.org/

 

If you know of a child who might benefit from care at a Shrine Burns or Crippled Children's facility, contact ANY Shriner or call one of the toll-free patient referral lines between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. Eastern Time.

 

In the United States: 1-800-237-5055

In Canada: 1-800-361-7256

 

With many other charities in the portfolio as well as community services, membership in any Masonic Organization today is far from an "elite" thing.

It's just what one does, I belong to the Shore Lodge #134 A.F & A.M.

 

So the Masonic slag is just not warranted in my humble opinion.

post #51 of 58

The problem I have with the Masons-and yes some of my relatives  are in it .Is that in the UK if you cant rise up in your occupation by the sweat of your brow or by your intelligence you join the   Masons and THEN bypass those better than you at the job. Totally unfair! Many UK police are in it.Members of the Royal family are in it. .One royal is the Grand Master of the UK. 

        The person I think very highly of was Mother Teresa- A REAL saint- she was slagged off because she helped the poor in countries the US didn't approve of and there was always the anti catholic  groups who criticized her and no I am not a catholic. She helped the "untouchables" in India and many of people suffering from leprosy  didn't bother her. I firmly believe she is with GOD now many in this life wont be.. You put the question -I answered so if you don't like what I wrote  tell me where  I lie?  

post #52 of 58
This is another reason why I believe users here should put in their loacation info. You being in the UK I can understand your disapproval on the fraternity. I have read "The Brotherhood" while it if full of inconsistencies and half truths, it does paint a very negative light on The British Masonic Organisation. We luckily do not suffer the same problems here in Canada. I have done a lot of good work in the lodge and have experienced first hand, the good that lodges do in communities.

Most of the unwashed masses out there believe the "Masons" are a direct tie to the Illuminati and other sorts of foolishness, and Dan Brown's books aid in that misconception to some degree. Sorry it just gets my ire up when today's lodges get compared to the Old Boys Club from many many years ago. Secret societies tend to bring out the negative in the uninformed, just by being secret and it is understandable.

And yes MT was a saint, I whole heartedly agree, this forum though is not the place to discuss the US and the Catholics, so I'll have no opinion on those, and leave my Masonic Flag Waving for another time and place.

I'll leave you fine gentlemen with your fuse discussion in peace, and will not interject my 2 cents about the parasitic oscillations of cryogenic unicorn hair... biggrin.gif

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post #53 of 58
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Originally Posted by duncan1 View Post

Mommy's skirt of subjectivity???- If there is a prize  for being patronizing/condescending /arrogant well you win. I would never speak in that way to people I hate arrogance and refuse to be "brow beaten" down. Your comments are subjective don't you realize that? Proving that people cant communicate without  being subjective. This thread is all about fuses and I answered in a practical manner -type of fuse/ material of end caps of fuse conductivity between gold/silver. is it the comment about cheap fuse holders? they are as they say in the UK-"as cheap as chips"[french fries] If you pay big bucks for a product you are entitled to top quality.not low grade parts. fuses holders "biting in" to the fuse present a lower amount of electrical resistance to the connection rather than a push fit  into dead cheap PCB clips Which dont apply as good a connection as spring loaded 90 degree ones. Even British Telecom knows this. 

 

So once again you completely ignore the objective claim you had made which I have so far twice reminded you of, and go on yammering about something completely irrelevant. Is this intentional or are you just daft?

 

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post #54 of 58

Guys,

Okay, okay, keep yer Alans on! It's all gone a bit Pete Tong, innit?

Is it really asking for bags of sand in me sky rocket to keep things on topic?

No need for yet another subjectivist vs. objectivist debate.

 

The blighty audio jazz mags and from me reading the septic ones too were full of the proverbial on it in the 80's and 90's.

For the record, the "objectivist" audio jazz mags have all gone belly up. The others are still around.

I guess that means the "subjectivists" have won and there is no need for guerrilla action.

Equally, if you are mason, or not, if you like them or you think they are the spawn of Henry Neville or whatever Barkleys yer think of Mother Theresa has no point in this debate. Kindly keep that pen & ink to yerself.

"Hi quality Fuses: do they improve sound?" is the topic. 

Please:

 


Cheers Rich

post #55 of 58
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Originally Posted by bedlam inside View Post


No need for yet another subjectivist vs. objectivist debate.

 

 

Except when someone who calls themself a "subjectivist" (but who really isn't but is instead what I refer to as a "pseudo-objectivist") goes and makes an objective claim.

 

Otherwise, there is no legitimate debate between true subjectivists and objectivists. Sadly there aren't many true subjectivists out there. Instead what you have are a bunch of the pseudo-objectivists that I refer to above. Those who call themselves subjectivists, but operate from the premise that their subjective perceptions are an effectively unerring reflection of objective reality and make what are unquestionably objective claims as was the case here. True subjectivists don't operate from such a premise and don't go on making objective claims.

 

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For the record, the "objectivist" audio jazz mags have all gone belly up. The others are still around.

 

Last I looked, Stereophile is still publishing. And while Stereophile can't be said to be wholly objectivist (nor can you really say that about the "objectivist" magazines you refer to), every full review, save for those of power devices, tweaks, cables, cartridges and turntables, is accompanied by a suite of objective measurements.

 

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I guess that means the "subjectivists" have won and there is no need for guerrilla action.

 

But as I said, there is no legitimate debate between true subjectivists and objectivists. It's only when the so-called "subjectivists" attempt to cross the line into objectivism that there is debate.

 

The solution is to ultimately put to rest the inappropriately described "subjectivist vs. objectivist" meme.

 

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post #56 of 58

I'm not sure if this has been stated here before, I've read in another forum of this safety warning about fuses.

 

"Sorry to rain on anybody's parade, but you need to be careful when changing out fuses and trying to design your own. I hope that you are aware of the dangers of fuse swapping beyond your credibility on the forum and sound quality.

I had to select fuses to include all the products that I produce, and it's not a trivial task. There are several things you need to know.

1) There are two major standards by which fuses are rated. An IEC rating means that the fuse can continuously operate at 100% of the rated current. A UL rating means that the fuse can continuously operate at 75% of the rated current. This is important because if your piece of equipment has a UL rated fuse, and you replace it with an IEC rated fuse, you could be operating at 33% over-current without the fuse blowing - which might mean expensive repairs if your power transistors are overloaded by a short circuit and the fuse doesn't blow. If your product uses an IEC fuse, and you replace it with a UL fuse, it could blow easily and you wonder why.

2) Every fuse has a "Breaking Capacity". This is the maximum current that a fuse can safely blow without a catastrophic failure such as fire or explosion. If the fuse has too low a breaking capacity (for example short circuiting a power amp), the surge could cause the fuse to explode and things could catch fire. The short circuit behavior of any product is a difficult thing to calculate - and the only way to do it might be to do some destructive testing. Blow up a couple of amplifiers, and see if the fuse explodes.

3) Slow blow fuses are used when there is in-rush and peak current at start-up. They are designed to start working from cold. For example, that is why sometimes when you have been playing your system for some time. Turn it off, and then turn it on again the fuse blows. What could be dangerous is that "slow blow" fuses come with different speeds and react to different patterns of the surge. Technically, this is the I2t value - current squared times time - the heat energy needed to blow the fuse. If you use a fuse with too high a heat energy value, you could be damaging your amp/component while waiting for the fuse to blow in a short circuit situation. Too low a heat energy value, and the initial surge blows the "slow blow" fuse.



4) Pulse factor derating of the fuse wire. As a fuse wire is subjected to pulses of high current (everytime you turn your system on for example), the fuse wire ages. Here's a picture: (I deleted it)

Obviously an aged fuse wire will break more easily, but we might also conclude that it won't sound as good.

5) Heat dissipation factor. All fuses heat up under operation. If the heat dissipation of the fuse is greater than the designed capacity of the fuseholder, the fuseholder could melt.

No risk, no gain. But please know your risks before you play the game."

post #57 of 58

wuwhere, it's always good to be reminded about safety factors, but the above seems like too much information for most folks, ones that aren't amp designers.

 

If I need to replace a fuse in my kettle or amp or heater, then the key things I need to know is the voltage/current/slow/fast blow rating of the fuse. 

The other factors above, like IEC Rating and Breaking Capacity, are simply not listed as choices I can make when I buy a replacement fuse, whether from audiophile or DIY store.

 

What is relevant though is if the boutique or standard fuses do actually conform to their stated spec and to the standards of the country they are sold in.

That is often hard to acertain, but in the first instance, buyers must at least get the voltage/current/slow/fast blow rating right.

post #58 of 58

Wuwhere has put a expanded  version of what I said and I agree with what he says. What annoys me is proto phycologists  saying you cant say A or B because it upsets their sense of what is reality in the World to them. Every person has a point of view but to arrogantly condemn somebody because of philosophical differences is not something I will ever accept.  

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