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Two in fact :O  If you can't do it... fake it :P

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How hot does it run?  Can't touch hot?  Hot but you can keep your hand on it?  Warm?  Cool?


A little bit hotter than Burson Conductor. You can touch it no problem.

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So nearly no class A bias given it's a sealed case with nearly no free space inside.  Sigh.

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So much negativity from individuals that have not even heard the amp in question. One would think it judicious to have at least seen, touched, tasted, smelled or listened to an object before having the temerity to comment on it, especially from some of the more respected members of HF.

 

It will be interesting to read what the doubters have to say after a few have actually HEARD the amp in question paired with the LCD-3.

 

Skylab, you are splitting hairs. Alex said what he said whether it was in the form of a "Press Release" or a radio transmission to the moon. He put his own credibility on the line. Is he trying to sell product? Gee, what a novel concept in a capitalistic system. Nevertheless, evidently he believes there is excellent synergy with his headphone and the Bakoon or else why form the partnership. As I have said before, no doubt in my mind Alex Cavalli would take the same deal and the pairing of the LF and Audezes has been favorably written about ad infinitum on this board.

 

Looking forward to your OBJECTIVE review.


Edited by Dr. Roberts - 7/1/13 at 6:47am
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Nevertheless, evidently he believes there is excellent synergy with his headphone and the Bakoon or else why form the partnership. As I have said before, no doubt in my mind Alex Cavalli would take the same deal and the pairing of the LF and Audezes has been favorably written about ad infinitum on this board.

 

Looking forward to your OBJECTIVE review.

 

He believes in getting paid.  Don't kid yourself, Bakoon and Klutz are paying to be in bed with Audeze not the other way around.  And the LF was a terrible amp in the context of $3K+.  At under $1K it is however competitive.  And yes I owned one :P

 

I'm not saying the the Bakoon sounds bad, just that its design decisions are odd and its price is a barrier I won't cross when my gut says no.  Skylab will likely put out a favourable review though since InnerFidelity 'policy' is to only review items they like and not waste time on those they don't.  6moons trashed the thing when it was pre production.  Kudos to Bakoon for fixing some of the things pointed out though.

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He believes in getting paid.  Don't kid yourself, Bakoon and Klutz are paying to be in bed with Audeze not the other way around.  And the LF was a terrible amp in the context of $3K+.  At under $1K it is however competitive.  And yes I owned one :P

 

I'm not saying the the Bakoon sounds bad, just that its design decisions are odd and its price is a barrier I won't cross when my gut says no.  Skylab will likely put out a favourable review though since InnerFidelity 'policy' is to only review items they like and not waste time on those they don't.  6moons trashed the thing when it was pre production.  Kudos to Bakoon for fixing some of the things pointed out though.

 

The most even-handed posting you have made to date regarding an amp you have not heard. I guess one could call that progress.

 

The SATRI circuit has been in development for 20 years. Perhaps the Japanese have different ideas on how to construct a superior sounding amplifier.

 

As far as the price, it is certainly not the fault of the Koreans that the U.S. dollar has little purchasing power abroad. Anyway, whoever said that great sound can be achieved on the cheap? Is 3k too much to spend to power 2k cans?

 

I do happen to believe that the HPA-21 was rushed to the marketplace but Soo In has been very responsive and expeditious in correcting the initial flaws.

 

My own personal experience is with the Bakoon Amp 11-R. An amp with few reviews but a plethora of superlative commentary within those reviews. Since you referenced Srajan, the 11-R and the LCD-2.2 ( if memory serves regarding the particular model) was his reference system for a period of time.

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You mean the Srajan that said the Bakoon was slightly better than the Burson?  Which I would add is awesome for its asking price.  That one? ;)

 

$3K isn't too much to spend if what you get is competitive with other options in the same range.  But if it's only competitive with $1K range amps... too much.  It's $2600 if you buy from Korea directly if nothing else you could say their NA distributor isn't gouging us.  Question still remains how it fairs against the GS-X mk2, EC 2A3SE and other amps in its own range.

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So nearly no class A bias given it's a sealed case with nearly no free space inside.  Sigh.

Bingo....0.75W of a Class AB amp into 50 ohms. Been there, done that with the LCD-3s and HE-6s...the results were FAR from spectacular. confused.gif

 

Throw in case-work that screams mid-fi. And all for $3K, I'm amazed how people are so eager to throw away their hard earned money?


Edited by MacedonianHero - 7/1/13 at 10:16am
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You mean the Srajan that said the Bakoon was slightly better than the Burson?  

 

Are you referring to the Srajan that wrote this regarding the Bakoon AMP 11-R...... Never mind that present global distribution seems asleep behind the wheel. Which is very strange given Bakoon's 20 years in business - unless their stuff got this brilliant only recently. Either way it's here now and available for what on performance is a perfectly fair price. Had I not just acquired my silver pair of SIT1s; and had I not a perfectly presentable headfi system to can that justification too (damn!) - I'd be very sorely tempted to contact Korea for a silver unit. After 10 years on the job, recognizing true greatness isn't brain surgery. Even so it's still quite the wakeup call. Consider yourself called then. But are you awake? Over and out to sneak in a few more hours of listening before this 'as compact as possible, as high-end as possible' amp is due back...

 

BTW.....he ended up owning what I presume was the review unit after all and used it as his reference with.......with Audeze headphones. Of course this review refers to the HPA-21's sibling. Bakoon would have had to drop the ball all the way through the floorboards to reconcile those words of praise by Srajan with some of the "learned" comments featured in this thread.

 

If a Burson does it for you, listen away to your heart's content. Personally, I prefer to dabble in the process of diminishing returns and listen to a true TOTL piece of kit as opposed to the vast majority of assuredly non-TOTL gear which is discussed endlessly on this forum.


Edited by Dr. Roberts - 7/1/13 at 11:54am
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Personally, I prefer to dabble in the process of diminishing returns and listen to a true TOTL piece of kit as opposed to the vast majority of assuredly non-TOTL gear which is discussed endlessly on this forum.

 

Have you seen my sig, it's just down there a whee bit ;)  I agree with this, I disagree that price is an indicator, that's all.  Tons of high priced gear is pure garbage though.  Should we maybe revisit SinglePower and their $10K+ ES1 that was pure fail ;)

 

I do wonder sometimes how low level Srajan listens sometimes though.  He really liked the HA-160D and that piece is only 80mW into the LCD line.

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FYI, I would probably be considered by most on this forum a "low volume level listener" I feel I have always had very discerning ears though since I have been seeking the best sound I could afford, speaker and headphone- wise, for the past forty years. My first really satisfying rig consisted of a Concord reel to reel playing factory recorded tapes through a pair of Pioneer closed-end phones when I was 17. I would still rather listen to tape as opposed to SACD, SHM CD or high quality vinyl pressings but the market has moved away from me.

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I'm generally using reel to reel as a source in my reviews these days wink.gif I LOVE reel tape.
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So nearly no class A bias given it's a sealed case with nearly no free space inside.  Sigh.

 

Bingo....0.75W of a Class AB amp into 50 ohms. Been there, done that with the LCD-3s and HE-6s...the results were FAR from spectacular. confused.gif

 

Throw in case-work that screams mid-fi. And all for $3K, I'm amazed how people are so eager to throw away their hard earned money?

 

I think it's the name... Bakoon. Something about the way it rolls off the tongue screams I have a Bakoon and you don't  tongue.gif

 

But you seriously don't like the casework?

 

 

I think it looks okay from this angle at least.

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Looks better in silver I think.  Looking at their other products it looks to be their form but I tend to prefer making it the size it needs to be.  Imagine this amp but with a case big enough to hold the RedWine type battery and trickle charger.  That would be an easier sell.

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I think it's the name... Bakoon. Something about the way it rolls off the tongue screams I have a Bakoon and you don't  tongue.gif

 

But you seriously don't like the casework?

 

 

I think it looks okay from this angle at least.

 

The casework is reminiscent of a $500 amp IMHO.

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