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Interested in this amp somewhat
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Interested in this amp somewhat

 

Mine's arriving at the end of the week normally!

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I'm somewhat interested in this amp too. Definitely at the top of my shortlist should the Conductor finally sell.

Not sure I'd bother if I already owned the GS-X mkii though.
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Ha, long time no post! :D

 

I’m simply enjoying listening to music through HPA-21, every day. Sorry, every night! No need for me to find a "better" amp or searching for a different sound. And I’m still amazed what it does to HD800!

 

I’m happy more people seem to at least consider trying HPA-21 now!

 

For newcomers, here are some links to HPA-21 reviews:

  • 6Moons (English)                                             
  • High Fidelity (English)
  • Renaissens (French, translation by Google)
  • Soundnews (English) LOL, "Extreme linearity attenuates a bit of musicality" as a con, for me "Extreme linearity" it is definitely a big pro...

Edited by CanDude - 10/14/13 at 6:21pm
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Not sure I'd bother if I already owned the GS-X mkii though.

 

It would really be interesting to compare GS-X mkii with HPA-21! I've read through MHs GS-X mkii thread and they mostly describe its sound in the same way as I could describe the sound (or lack of sound) of HPA-21. Maybe it is two different technologies producing a similar sound?

 

However in portabiblity HPA-21 wins... :cool: 

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Lately I’ve gotten tired of the shelved down treble of LCD-3 so now I’ve added a tiny high-shelf EQ (+1.7 dB using JRiver’s parametric equalizer). Much better!

 

I’ve been hoping for LCD-3 and HD800 to have intercourse to produce a new LCD-800 or something... :blink: and here it is (hopefully): LCD-X! I wonder how it sounds like with HPA-21?

 

Will I get it? Stupid question.

 

Will I review it with HPA-21? Stupid question.

 

Did anyone try LCD-X with HPA-21 at RMAF?


Edited by CanDude - 10/14/13 at 6:26pm
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For newcomers, here are some links to HPA-21 reviews:

  • 6Moons (English)                                             
  • High Fidelity (English)
  • Renaissens (French, translation by Google)
  • Soundnews (English) LOL, "Extreme linearity attenuates a bit of musicality" as a con, for me "Extreme linearity" it is definitely a big pro...

 

thanks for those links!

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Guys I wanna have a vote! Using the Bakoon to drive LCD3, would you guys prefer low gain or high gain?

I personally could not hear the difference except the sound volume... wink.gif
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I've been looking at this amp for a while, ever since I heard about the Japanese Bakoon HDA 5210 models, but....

 

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  • Soundnews (English) LOL, "Extreme linearity attenuates a bit of musicality" as a con, for me "Extreme linearity" it is definitely a big pro...

 

Having read that review, I can see it not suiting my tastes so much. I'm the type that prefers musicality/presentation over linearity/resolution. I don't go for neutrality in my headphones, so I wouldn't want an amp to neutralize or flatten a headphone's eq in any way, except maybe smooth out the highs a bit. That's part of the reason why I'm having difficulty finding the perfect amp fro my TH900. I need an amp to accentuate the TH900's qualities (especially the bass and sub-bass depth), not an amp that turns the sound into Switzerland.

 

Then again, it's only one review. I'd still try the Bakoon out if I could get an extended audition/loaner. Everyone has different hearing after all, and my opinion might differ from that review.


Edited by kurochin - 10/15/13 at 11:01am
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Ha, long time no post! biggrin.gif

I’m simply enjoying listening to music through HPA-21, every day. Sorry, every night! No need for me to find a "better" amp or searching for a different sound. And I’m still amazed what it does to HD800!

I’m happy more people seem to at least consider trying HPA-21 now!

For newcomers, here are some links to HPA-21 reviews:
  • 6Moons (English)                                             
  • High Fidelity (English)
  • Renaissens (French, translation by Google)
  • Soundnews (English) LOL, "Extreme linearity attenuates a bit of musicality" as a con, for me "Extreme linearity" it is definitely a big pro...

Hi CanDude, when you driving the HD800 with Bakoon, which mode will you use? The current mode or the voltage mode? Which sound better with the HD800? Also would you use low gain or high gain for it?? smily_headphones1.gif
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Hi CanDude, when you driving the HD800 with Bakoon, which mode will you use? The current mode or the voltage mode? Which sound better with the HD800? Also would you use low gain or high gain for it?? smily_headphones1.gif

 

I quote myself from another thread...

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HD800 is amazing with HPA-21! When I listen to HD800 on a "normal" amp or on the voltage output on HPA-21 I hear that familiar "ear towards the tweeter" "Donald Duck" type of sound. When connecting HD800 to the current output on HPA-21 all instruments gets a body, everything is getting more balanced. I have no problems with the treble of my un-modded HD800, but I use the standard Cardas cable and they say it attenuates the treble. It would be interesting to try Toxic Virus with HD800. I reviewed it with LCD-3, in the end I picked SW for LCD-3 but for HD800 I think the slightly "fuller" sound of Virus, plus the crispy treble, will fit HD800 just fine. I’ll maybe try it when Frank is up to speed.

 

Listening to David Rhodes well-mixed latest album "Rhodes" is very enjoyable with both HD800 and LCD-3, but with LCD-3 you hear what you miss with HD800 in the bass department! :tongue_smile:  A little bit different presentations, though. I hope that LCD-X will be something in between.

 

The current output is darker, but you lose some mids. So if you want that super sparkly sound you can use the voltage output. Distorted guitars (for example on that Rhodes album) are more edgy and dominant using the voltage output, while with the current output the high bass is more dominant. Imagine putting your ear towards the tweeter. That is the sound of the voltage output, and also of other amps I have heard. Then you step back and hear the sound from both the woofer and the tweeter, the vibrating air. That's the current output. It's like having two HD800s voiced differently, the original HD800 (voltage output) and a new more HD700-voiced HD800 (current output). You have the luxury of having both available, chose the one you like!

 

Definitely use low gain for HD800! Currently I listen to HD800 using the current output, low gain and the volume on 09:00. If you listen to LCD-3 on high gain and then you switch cans to HD800 you also need to switch to low gain and rise the volume a little bit to get the same SPL. I'm not sure if Bakoon has lowered the high gain on later units, though. I have the same version of HPA-21 as reviewed by High Fidelity. Once I forgot to switch the gain to low gain when switching from LCD-3 to HD800. Once. :basshead:

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Guys I wanna have a vote! Using the Bakoon to drive LCD3, would you guys prefer low gain or high gain?

I personally could not hear the difference except the sound volume... wink.gif

 

I cannot use LCD-3 on low gain, then the volume needs to be 15:00 or higher. At the other hand the volume with high-gain is more like 08:30, which is pretty low. It also depends on the output level from your DAC (I have set my Hilo to +0dBV, the lowest setting), and also on the recording level and type of music of course. Maybe they have adjusted the gain level for high gain on later HPA-21 units, though. Generally I tend to like higher gain with lower volume better than the opposite, I also used high gain with LCD-3 on BHA-1 (with Hilo set to +4dBV if I remember correctly, balanced).

 

I guess I will need to run LCD-X on low gain since they are more sensitive than LCD-3. That will be fun! :D

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I quote myself from another thread...

The current output is darker, but you lose some mids. So if you want that super sparkly sound you can use the voltage output. Distorted guitars (for example on that Rhodes album) are more edgy and dominant using the voltage output, while with the current output the high bass is more dominant. Imagine putting your ear towards the tweeter. That is the sound of the voltage output, and also of other amps I have heard. Then you step back and hear the sound from both the woofer and the tweeter, the vibrating air. That's the current output. It's like having two HD800s voiced differently, the original HD800 (voltage output) and a new more HD700-voiced HD800 (current output). You have the luxury of having both available, chose the one you like!

Definitely use low gain for HD800! Currently I listen to HD800 using the current output, low gain and the volume on 09:00. If you listen to LCD-3 on high gain and then you switch cans to HD800 you also need to switch to low gain and rise the volume a little bit to get the same SPL. I'm not sure if Bakoon has lowered the high gain on later units, though. I have the same version of HPA-21 as reviewed by High Fidelity. Once I forgot to switch the gain to low gain when switching from LCD-3 to HD800. Once. basshead.gif

The current output is darker which means it might fit perfectly with the hd800 right? As the 800 tend to be bright sounding signature.

Which headphone is your favour to pair with the Bakoon? HD800 or LCD3? smily_headphones1.gif
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