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post #181 of 552

No, I only bought the Master 7 PCM1704 DAC from Kingwa.  I opted for the Krell Phantom III instead.  There are limits, you know...

 

I think the Questyle CMA800 would be more comparable to the Master 8, at least pricewise.  I'd wager that the Master 8 would be chock o'full of more components, tho, knowing how Kingwa builds his products.

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post #182 of 552
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Originally Posted by jacal01 View Post
 

No, I only bought the Master 7 PCM1704 DAC from Kingwa.  I opted for the Krell Phantom III instead.  There are limits, you know...

 

I think the Questyle CMA800 would be more comparable to the Master 8, at least pricewise.  I'd wager that the Master 8 would be chock o'full of more components, tho, knowing how Kingwa builds his products.

 

 

Thanks for the info. We hear differently. You prefer your Audeze with the EAR and the Fostex with the Bakoon. I'm just the opposite, ATH-3000ANV with the EAR and the LCD-3 with the Bakoon.

 

I think, who knows for sure since there is no info in the manual, that the HP4 puts out about 1 watt max and that would more than likely be into a much more sensitive headphone like a Sennheiser as opposed to an inefficient ortho. I have sensitive ears and am a low volume listener. Even so, I'm skeptical the EAR has the necessary cajones to power an Audeze sufficiently. Thoughts?

post #183 of 552

You must be going for the nth degree of lushness with the ATH-3000ANV and EAR combo.  Wallow all around in it, so to speak.  'Course you can almost accuse me of the same thing, since the Bakoon has a nice analog richness about it, too.  But I'm finding the Bakoon to sound good with everything: the TH900s, the LCD-2.2s and now the HD 800s.

 

And I listen at fairly low levels, too, especially for protracted music sessions.  In fact, I look for the sweet spot in the volume adjustment at the first level where the overlay of timbre and texture seems to kick in.

 

As a matter of fact, my present headphone configuration for listening, since my EAR is currently in for repair, has come to be the TH900 and Bakoon, HD 800 and Questyle and LCD-2.2 and Krell.  Funny how the LCDs always seem to end up with the high end amps.  'Course the Bakoon is also high end for you.

 

More to your question, I haven't found the LCD to be that particularly hard to drive, in terms of missing sonic completeness.  They're still relatively low impedance for the resulting output power, and I don't think any of my volume knobs have ever crept past the 12 o'clock position, even when I'm rockin'.  And I've never resorted to the high gain selection.

 

I don't know what you think you're not hearing with the LCDs and EAR, but gap issues (missing info) are notoriously hard to detect, relative to incorrect (distorted) info being present.  So maybe it's on me that I'm not missing what you're not hearing.  I did play around jet airplanes in my youth, but I think it was front and center at all the rock concerts that did it...  :wink:


Edited by jacal01 - 9/20/13 at 10:18am
post #184 of 552
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Originally Posted by jacal01 View Post
 

You must be going for the nth degree of lushness with the ATH-3000ANV and EAR combo.  Wallow all around in it, so to speak.  'Course you can almost accuse me of the same thing, since the Bakoon has a nice analog richness about it, too.  But I'm finding the Bakoon to sound good with everything: the TH900s, the LCD-2.2s and now the HD 800s.

 

And I listen at fairly low levels, too, especially for protracted music sessions.  In fact, I look for the sweet spot in the volume adjustment at the first level where the overlay of timbre and texture seems to kick in.

 

As a matter of fact, my present headphone configuration for listening, since my EAR is currently in for repair, has come to be the TH900 and Bakoon, HD 800 and Questyle and LCD-2.2 and Krell.  Funny how the LCDs always seem to end up with the high end amps.  'Course the Bakoon is also high end for you.

 

More to your question, I haven't found the LCD to be that particularly hard to drive, in terms of missing sonic completeness.  They're still relatively low impedance for the resulting output power, and I don't think any of my volume knobs have ever crept past the 12 o'clock position, even when I'm rockin'.  And I've never resorted to the high gain selection.

 

I don't know what you think you're not hearing with the LCDs and EAR, but gap issues (missing info) are notoriously hard to detect, relative to incorrect (distorted) info being present.  So maybe it's on me that I'm not missing what you're not hearing.  I did play around jet airplanes in my youth, but I think it was front and center at all the rock concerts that did it...  :wink:

 

 

Guilty as charged. I do occasionally "wallow all around" in the lushness with the NOS RCA tubed EAR and the AT's. It's fun sometimes.The AT is hardly what one would deem a neutral can anyway. Were you aware that Skylab, (one of the few I really respect on here) prefers the 3k to the TH900.

 

I'm always adjusting to hit the volume sweet spot as well. To me it is critical when listening to headphones as well as speakers.

 

Was never interested in the HD800 but the Bakoon really brings the 650 (which I hardly ever listen to anymore) to life. I was amazed by that combo after listening to them with the HP4 for as long as I did. Soo In of Bakoon told me the HD800 and his amps are a very synergistic match as well.

 

Perhaps I did not give the pairing of the EAR and the LCD-3 enough time because when I plugged them into the Bakoon, I never went back.

 

I have not failed to notice you never mention your LF. When that amp was released, many thought it was the be all end all solution for the Audezes.

 

The only classic rock groups that I never saw live in their prime that I wish I had, and I've seen most of the greats from the Beatles, Stones, Who, Jimi, Cream, CCR, Doors etc. etc., were the Animals and don't laugh because I think the late Mike Smith had an awesome rock 'n roll voice and I love listening to a Vox Continental, the DC5.

post #185 of 552

I saw the Animals at the Anaheim Convention Center in '68.  There is, after all, a house in New Orleans... Thanks for asking.  :wink:

 

Yeah, I'm afraid the LF is a victim of all the negative criticism that now goes around here from unnamed parties about it being well overpriced for its capability. It's funny, but I'd met Alex early on, and when we touched on its pricing, which was (and is) relatively expensive, and Alex posed a question about production costs, the first thing that Brian (his employee back then) offered up was cost of components.  So maybe that particular hybrid amp circuit design isn't all that, but I suspect that the quality of components used still play a major part in its cost, and it doesn't necessarily suffer the stigma of overhyped "empty box" pricing that others suspect of it.

 

But it was my first home audiphile headphone amp, and while I lavished NOS tube and other upgrades on it while I revelled in its sound, I was still a neophyte, so when the criticisms started, I questioned my own listening sophistication, and moved on, eventually retiring it as rack space became limited.

 

I've thought about resurrecting it for a reevaluation against the other amps now in my collection, but I only have one set of ears, with multiple choices already poised in the wings competing for my time.  So the path of least resistance tends to be my priority, especially at the end of a workday.  But who knows?  I need to give it its proper due, especially since I'm loathe to get rid of it.  We'll see.

 

I got the HD 800 to go with the Questyle CMA800 amp, since they told me that was what it was designed to, and that it wasn't very versatile for the lower impedance headphones.  But I'm finding the HD 800 to be beguiling with all my current loop amps, since it accentuates the clarity and individul note soundings and vocals so well.

 

Frankly, I find the LCD-2 to be the best of both worlds, or alternatively, a compromise of both extremes, with good bass extension and definition and mids texture, but also still true to its neutrality, so that it's a good pairing to showcase a quality amp's attributes.

 

However, if I want to exult in the distortion free crystal clarity and high fidelity of a particular music and current amp selection, I reach for the HD 800s. And when I just want to embrace and loll in the rich fullness of musical engagement while still avoiding the distraction of distorted or bloated sounds, I reach for the TH900s.  In combination with a tube amp, even more so.  So that's my wallowing, of a sort.


Edited by jacal01 - 9/22/13 at 3:54pm
post #186 of 552

Yo guys, I was impressed by this lovely amp and just join the Bakoon family. Will receive my HPA-21 next week!~~~ :P

 

I have a pair of LCD3 with silver widow cable (coming now from Frank in toxic cable), and also the TH900. I will also try the UM Miracle iem with the Bakoon and post some impressions later. 

post #187 of 552

I listened to the 21 today with the Auralic DAC and the LCD-2. The more I listened to it, the more I liked it. wish I could have spent more time with it.

post #188 of 552
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I listened to the 21 today with the Auralic DAC and the LCD-2. The more I listened to it, the more I liked it. wish I could have spent more time with it.

Are you using high gain or low gain to drive the lCD2? Would it be too loud in high gain current out? smily_headphones1.gif

Also have you try the HD800 pair with the Bakoon? Should it plug into low gain or high gain current out? smily_headphones1.gif

Thanks
post #189 of 552

It was on high gain, but I quickly switched it to low gain. It's not a question of too loud but of sound quality. I didn't try it with the HD800

the Current output was the best with the LCD2

post #190 of 552
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It was on high gain, but I quickly switched it to low gain. It's not a question of too loud but of sound quality. I didn't try it with the HD800
the Current output was the best with the LCD2

Thanks Ultrainferno! smily_headphones1.gif

Yeah I always prefer lower gain if the power is enough, as low gain has the cleanest sound and least noisy in my ear. And I believe my LCD3 with silver widow cable would be the best pair with the Bakoon. Wondering how it sounds like with the TH900 and HD800 from its current out...
post #191 of 552
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Thanks Ultrainferno! smily_headphones1.gif

Yeah I always prefer lower gain if the power is enough, as low gain has the cleanest sound and least noisy in my ear. And I believe my LCD3 with silver widow cable would be the best pair with the Bakoon. Wondering how it sounds like with the TH900 and HD800 from its current out...

 

In my instruction manual for the HDA-5210mk3 they talk about how their gain switch does not degrade SQ in any way with either high or low gain. Whether or not that is true, that was their intent. I haven't found any difference with any phones that I've used. I just sort of use low gain for casual listening and high gain for close listening so I dont have to mess with the dial. It works out nicely.

post #192 of 552
Has anyone tried HD800 with the Bakoon?? I really wonder how the 800 sounds like with the Bakoon. From what I read from this thread the voltage out more likely a second-use headphone out, the current out is the main entrance for the Bakoon to drive most other headphones.

So please kindly post your review about the HD800 pair with the HPA-21. smily_headphones1.gif
post #193 of 552

The Bakoon pairs just fine with the HD 800.  For review, go to:

Wojciech Pacuła's Red Fingerprint special

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Originally Posted by Dr. Roberts View Post
 

The only classic rock groups that I never saw live in their prime that I wish I had, and I've seen most of the greats from the Beatles, Stones, Who, Jimi, Cream, CCR, Doors etc. etc., were the Animals and don't laugh because I think the late Mike Smith had an awesome rock 'n roll voice and I love listening to a Vox Continental, the DC5.

 

Wait, wait...  Now that I'm paying attention, I thought Eric Burdon did most of the heavy lifting on vocals for the British invasion band, The Animals, and that he's still alive(?).  That Animals?  Are you referring to some other group?  There was a rockabilly singer/songwriter Mike Smith who enjoyed modest success in your neck of the woods back then.  Is that who you mean?  If so, I'm afraid I missed out on him, too, but I don't know that "missed" is entirely the correct word...  :wink: 

post #195 of 552
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Wait, wait...  Now that I'm paying attention, I thought Eric Burdon did most of the heavy lifting on vocals for the British invasion band, The Animals, and that he's still alive(?).  That Animals?  Are you referring to some other group?  There was a rockabilly singer/songwriter Mike Smith who enjoyed modest success in your neck of the woods back then.  Is that who you mean?  If so, I'm afraid I missed out on him, too, but I don't know that "missed" is entirely the correct word...  :wink:

 

 

Eric Burdon did all the lead vocal work for the Animals although their were several personnel changes along the way. The first to go was keyboardist Alan Price who was a wizard on a Vox Continental and he is featured during the instrumental break of their first hit performing his magic.

 

Mike Smith was a friend of Dave Clark in school and handled the lead vocal work as well as keyboards (using a Continental and piano) along with songwriting for the Dave Clark Five, the band that gave the Beatles quite a contest as the most popular group in the States until Mick and Keith wrote "The Last Time" and along with Brian's immortal guitar riff, became the friendly competitors of the Beatles. The next Stones release was "Satisfaction" which finally caused Americans to catch up with the Brits and realize just how good these lads were at playing rhythm and blues.

 

Smith idolized Little Richard so he was rock 'n roll all the way. Unfortunately, he fell from the roof of his house in Spain and became a quadriplegic. He lingered in a hospital bed for a few years and lived just long enough to know that the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame had belatedly inducted the group.

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