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post #151 of 210

Shigzeo's review was on the money for me.  You definitely don't see many on the secondary market although the Kaede shows up fairly frequently.  I don't think the Kaede and Kuro are very similar at all because the Kaede is so treble-happy.

 

Definitely get it on the secondary market if you can find it.  I have a feeling that it will continue to be a woefully under appreciated headphone in a sea of $1000+ IEMs. 

post #152 of 210
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Shigzeo's review was on the money for me.  You definitely don't see many on the secondary market although the Kaede shows up fairly frequently.  I don't think the Kaede and Kuro are very similar at all because the Kaede is so treble-happy.

 

Definitely get it on the secondary market if you can find it.  I have a feeling that it will continue to be a woefully under appreciated headphone in a sea of $1000+ IEMs. 

I often peruse the Head-Fi for sales.  Kuro does seem very underappreciated, given the price.  I feel the same about my FA Heaven S.  I probably couldn't sell them for $200, and they sound wonderful (read about them from Sparrow).  Consequently, I choose to keep them and enjoy them once in a while, and maybe some day give them to a friend or relative who would be shocked by the quality of these!   In the Kuro's case, shortage of used ones may indicate that they are keepers for everyone who's purchased them!

post #153 of 210
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 I don't think the Kaede and Kuro are very similar at all because the Kaede is so treble-happy.

I got the impression from some of the reviews that the Kuro was more treble happy than the Kaede, I gather from the above comment you don't feel that way?
post #154 of 210
I can't think of a review that said that. It definitely leans towards the bass in my opinion. Are you sure you don't have the Ocharakus switched?

A lot of critics tend to consider treble happy phones more high-end. I think it is the anti-Beats sentiment out there. However, I lean towards the LCD-3s rather than the Sennheiser HD800. It's a matter of personal taste I guess...
post #155 of 210
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I can't think of a review that said that. It definitely leans towards the bass in my opinion. Are you sure you don't have the Ocharakus switched?

A lot of critics tend to consider treble happy phones more high-end. I think it is the anti-Beats sentiment out there. However, I lean towards the LCD-3s rather than the Sennheiser HD800. It's a matter of personal taste I guess...

 

I went back through the thread a bit and found these two references which I guess made a lasting impression. Based on those I figured the Kuro wouldn't be to my taste because I tried lee730's SUI for a few days and while I quite liked them I did find they could be a bit too bright/sibilant at times and I know one of the reasons lee730 kept the SUI over the Kaede's was he felt the Kaede's were brighter.

 

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At first brief listen, I'm tempted to say that the Kuro seems to grab (my) attention more since the one I demo-ed sounded more treble-forward than the Kaede but there was something that sounded not so "controlled" with the Kuro. I'm not certain if it's the bass that wasn't as tight or if it was some other part of the FR - bear in mind these were all demos of which I feel the Kuro was a newer demo than the Kaede which had been on the shelf longer and therefore presumably, more time to bed in). Or maybe it was really a just the fundamental tuning differences.One thing though to me, the Kuro & Kaede were a lot closer sounding than the Sui. Yet pricing-wise, the Kuro is closer to the Sui price. To me this puts the Kuro very good value for money if one is looking for bang for the buck for th Ocharaku siganture.

 

 

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Kaede vs. Kuro A-B test (using Chesky's The Ultimate Demonstration Disc - lossless format)

 

Both earphones are close in sound; the general signature on both is shared, but their are small differences.

 

Kaede has slightly more bass.

Kaede has more detail to the music, but not a huge difference.

Kaede had better depth, notes seem to have more weight.

Bass decay is faster on the Kuro; the Kaede handles bass sounds better to my ears with the slower decay.

 

Brightness - both are just as bright, but I felt that the Kaede handled the sounds of symbols just a bit more naturally.

The Kaede has a slightly fuller richer sound.

 

Still the Kuro is not far behind and is an excellent way to experience 95% of the Kaede's sound. The truth is that most people would be hard pressed to hear a difference between the two, and one really has to struggle to hear the difference, but once you start to notice it, it is obvious.

Needless to say, the price difference is much greater than what the sound difference implies, making the Kuro quite a bargain for experiencing the Ocharaku sound.

post #156 of 210
I remember those reviews! They didn't match up with my experience or the Shigzeo and Headphonia reviews. Either we all experience sound differently or there are some quality control issues with Ocharaku.
post #157 of 210
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I remember those reviews! They didn't match up with my experience or the Shigzeo and Headphonia reviews. Either we all experience sound differently or there are some quality control issues with Ocharaku.

 

Been awhile since I did my comparison above, so I don't remember the source. But often different sources really change the way one person hears earphones compared to someone else.

Now that I think about it, it could have been the Burson Soloist.

post #158 of 210

The Kaede was most definitely brighter and more aggressive than my Suis. Heck even H20 and Arly demoed my Suis and found them rather smooth. H20 didn't understand all the comments about people saying they are very bright. Although I still do consider the Suis bright, they were not bright like the Kaede was. The Kaede was approaching the fatigue I'd get with the EX1000 but not quite to that extreme. Just enough to make me uncomfortable and not able to listen to them for longer sessions. The Sui on the other hand I could turn the volume up without issues of fatigue. I agree the sources can play a roll in it as when I plug my Suis into my S-mod I swear it makes them sound exactly like I remember the Kaede sounding (which I don't like)...

post #159 of 210

I didn't find the Sui bright really over my demo period, I found them rather smooth overall, and coherent in the mid range, the timbre has a real naturalness or particular sound to it.. I don't ever remember the highs becoming harsh or fatiguing personally, I was running them with Colorfly CK4 and Colorfly C3 I think back then. They didn't sound leaned out to me, something that's lean would be my Rhapsodio RDB Mini which gets pretty hot with the wrong cable metals, not the Sui I tried. I wouldn't be surprised if there's  slight variations in batches to some extend. From my experience I've heard differences between two different pairs of Westone 4 and Westone 4R in the past, another time with two pairs of Brainwavs B2 which I had side by side. So I'm always open to this possibility. 

post #160 of 210
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The Kaede was most definitely brighter and more aggressive than my Suis. Heck even H20 and Arly demoed my Suis and found them rather smooth. H20 didn't understand all the comments about people saying they are very bright. Although I still do consider the Suis bright, they were not bright like the Kaede was. The Kaede was approaching the fatigue I'd get with the EX1000 but not quite to that extreme. Just enough to make me uncomfortable and not able to listen to them for longer sessions. The Sui on the other hand I could turn the volume up without issues of fatigue. I agree the sources can play a roll in it as when I plug my Suis into my S-mod I swear it makes them sound exactly like I remember the Kaede sounding (which I don't like)...

 

The Kaede is not remotely bright with the X5. I would describe it as smooth and enigmatic.

 

Too late though!  :biggrin:

 

(I am sure that your Sui will sound very nice with the X5 too. Maybe not quite as nice.  :tongue:)

post #161 of 210

Or maybe even better lol ;),,,

post #162 of 210

john,

 

My favorite test track with the kuros is Attaboy from the Goat Rodeo Sessions with Yo-Yo Ma.  There is just so much detail in the song and the Kuro renders it perfectly.  Even my Shure 846s don't perform as well.  The only complaint I have is that the Kuro is not an earphone that you can just relax with.  It reminds me of the IE800 and Etys in the sense that it forces your mind to think about the music you are listening to.  However, unlike the IE800 and Etys, it is very comfortable.  It's proof that an IEM can be immersive without being fatiguing.

 

My other test track is Kanye's Black Skinhead.  There are several portions where there are multiple voices singing the lines especially at the very beginning of the song.  With most other IEMs, it seems like a single voice.  I've only been able to catch the separation with the IE800, HD800, F111, and the Kuro.  When I had the Kaede, the song was a little too bright for me to do anything other than wince :(

 

My take on the Kuro is that it is phenomenal in a quiet listening environment as it provides mediocre isolation.  They definitely look and feel like boutique IEMs with minor imperfections unlike most other mass-produced headphones.  However, they are a really unique experience.  

post #163 of 210

so cool... modding the Kuro to use balance cable....i just found on the internet

 

 

http://www.post76.com/x2/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=181441&extra=page%3D1

post #164 of 210

Now that the CKR10 is out how do they compare against each other?

post #165 of 210

I was talking to Nathan (Shigzeo) via PM re the new KURO type II. He is lucky to have all models with him now and we can expect 

a comparison article soon. V excited! Ive been thinking about ordering a pair since I tried the SUI last year in UK. 

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