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The performance and quality of products depends on how much effort and cost manufacturer puts in. Believing one product can achieve certain quality because it was made by a specific brand or country is a typical logical fallacy. If one takes what was sold in 99 cents as what Chinese companies are capable of then he/she is tunnel visioned. Fact shows when the Chinese firms put in enough effort, they could develop world class products like 1plus2 or HE6. If any company from anywhere of the world can put in enough work on their product as well as image, they can be equally successful as other big firms in the industry. As long as the quality and customer service is there, the brand/country of any product should be of no concern. At least that is how I think.

 

Also I like the Kuro better than the Kaede, technically it is equally capable but signature wise more balanced.normal_smile%20.gif

post #107 of 163

Also don't feed the troll, lol.

post #108 of 163
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The performance and quality of products depends on how much effort and cost manufacturer puts in. Believing one product can achieve certain quality because it was made by a specific brand or country is a typical logical fallacy. If one takes what was sold in 99 cents as what Chinese companies are capable of then he/she is tunnel visioned. Fact shows when the Chinese firms put in enough effort, they could develop world class products like 1plus2 or HE6. If any company from anywhere of the world can put in enough work on their product as well as image, they can be equally successful as other big firms in the industry. As long as the quality and customer service is there, the brand/country of any product should be of no concern. At least that is how I think.

 

Also I like the Kuro better than the Kaede, technically it is equally capable but signature wise more balanced.normal_smile%20.gif

I agree to some extent. What Japan has going for it above many countries is an innate thoroughness. I know that many Chinese made products are very very nice, but looked at closely, even for the same price, they don't have the build polish of something made in Japan. Performance is a different metric. I'm a perfectionist that can't perform up to perfection. I appreciate people/companies that have goals below which they will not traverse.

 

Ocharaku seem to be one of those.

 

As for money in/money out, there are some logical fallacies there, too. Good examples of why Japanese companies can do things cheaper than their European counterparts is that they work 1: to cheapen a product. Remove metal, shave down mounts, remove screws, and make everything with robots. Yes, lenses and cars made in Japan are reliable. Lenses/cameras are not on the same plane. But most of what Japan is good at now was basically given to them when Germany had to relinquish all its patents after WWII. Japan had no such strictures by which to abide. It got a free lunch.

 

The idea that Toyota spends/spent anywhere near what VW does on research is laughable precisely because Toyota basically got their early cars for free. They didn't have to fight. All they had to do was make cars cheaper and convince the world that what you want is cheap. They won. Consumers want cheap.

 

But there is a group out there that doesn't want just cheap, that wants workmanship. Sometimes those two intertwine. Again, Ocharaku is a benchmark for me for workmanship. Amazing woodwork, great plastic moulds, top quality cables, finely crafted wood boxes, and a presentation that upholds brand image. It's one that, if I had the dosh for, I'd invest in.

 

Anyway, that is (again) my part. I hope I'm not the troll. It's obvious that I'm not a fan of the Japanese manufacturing/copying ethic, but again, there are a few companies that were not handed everything and allowed to run around with it. There are some great companies that have great ideas. It's unfortunate that they are kept down by the massive corps here. 

 

I might argue that Ocharaku is a bigger hit abroad. I might be wrong, but I think I'm right. 

post #109 of 163
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Anyway, that is (again) my part. I hope I'm not the troll. 

No you are not, I mean the other guy. Check his post, no need to take trolls seriously.

 

Thank you for your thoughtful input. I agree with many of your viewpoints.

post #110 of 163
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It's one that, if I had the dosh for, I'd invest in.

Wait, you don't have a pair of your own?
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~snip~

 

I might argue that Ocharaku is a bigger hit abroad. I might be wrong, but I think I'm right. 

 

You may be right about that. It does seem to have 'gone off' here on head-fi.

 

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Wait, you don't have a pair of your own?

 

Stick a 'Made in Japan Elsewhere' sticker on it and maybe Shigzeo will forget about cost. 

post #112 of 163
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You may be right about that. It does seem to have 'gone off' here on head-fi.

 

 

Stick a 'Made in Japan Elsewhere' sticker on it and maybe Shigzeo will forget about cost. 

Touche.

 

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Wait, you don't have a pair of your own?

I don't. The only Ocharaku I own is the Ocharaku-tuned CKM55, which is pretty rad. I borrowed KAEDE for about a month, still have KURO and SUI on loan. I am slated to give them back after I finish a small comparo in September.

post #113 of 163
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Touche.

 

I don't. The only Ocharaku I own is the Ocharaku-tuned CKM55, which is pretty rad. I borrowed KAEDE for about a month, still have KURO and SUI on loan. I am slated to give them back after I finish a small comparo in September.

wink_face.gif All in good humour here on head-fi. Looking forward to the comparison. 

post #114 of 163
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Touche.

 

I don't. The only Ocharaku I own is the Ocharaku-tuned CKM55, which is pretty rad. I borrowed KAEDE for about a month, still have KURO and SUI on loan. I am slated to give them back after I finish a small comparo in September.

 

And please, just mail me the KURO when you're done with it!  wink_face.gif

post #115 of 163
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That would put me in good standing with Ocharaku.

post #116 of 163
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I might argue that Ocharaku is a bigger hit abroad. I might be wrong, but I think I'm right. 

I'm curious. If the Ocharaku aren't big in Japan, then what are some popular brands? I'm guessing FitEar might be one..

post #117 of 163
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I wasn't clear. I think that Ocharaku have made impact, but foreignness is always enticing. Right now, smaller Japanese manufacturers are en vogue here. Likewise foreign brand earphones are still biggest in Japan: Ultrasone IQ, Shure, etc. Westone don't seem to have a presence here at all. Ditto Heir Audio and a few others. Japan's earphone market really still is in its infancy compared to abroad. They've had headphones for yonks, but high-end earphones are brand new. Every year the selection gets better.

post #118 of 163

Does anyone have any comments or experience with PriceJapan?  They seem to have good prices, but I'd like to get some feedback since I have no knowledge or experience with them.  Thanks!

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post #120 of 163

Thanks, Music.  Older posts, but obviously they've been around for a good long time, and that's a good sign too.

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