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post #1426 of 1941
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Originally Posted by IEMagnet01 View Post


No. As someone who listens to metal predominantly, the VSD1S is most certainly NOT good for metal or hard rock. The VSD1 is, because it provides a slightly different sound signature than the VSD1S. It has slightly more forward highs and bass, and slightly better instrument separation and spatial ability, which helps it deal with the THICKNESS inherent in metal music. The VSD1S is meant for quieter, more intimate musical passages like jazz and classical. Metal on the VSD1S sounds claustrophobic, and at higher volumes distorted. It struggles mightily with metal and hard rock. VSD1 is a much wiser choice for heavy music.,

Well, "struggles mightily" with metal and rock is quite the statement given that the the difference between the two is not that big. VSD1 has slightly more mid-bass and the lower mids are a touch more laid back and that gives the impression of a tad higher soundstage. It's not like they have different note thickness or that one has actually better separation. The other difference is in the treble but the VSD1S is actually better in this area coz while it's a touch less pronounced in certain areas it is a bit smoother and sweeter while the VSD1 is a bit grainy and a tad more prone to sibilance. 

I've said it many times, the difference is not that big to be able to say that the VSD1 is good for this or that type of music while the VSD1S is good for completely different genres. 


Edited by kova4a - 12/15/13 at 2:06pm
post #1427 of 1941
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post

I've said it many times, the difference is not that big to be able to say that the VSD1 is good for this or that type of music while the VSD1S is good for completely different genres. 

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post #1428 of 1941
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post
 

Well, "struggles mightily" with metal and rock is quite the statement given that the the difference between the two is not that big. VSD1 has slightly more mid-bass and the lower mids are a touch more laid back and that gives the impression of a tad higher soundstage. It's not like they have different note thickness or that one has actually better separation. The other difference is in the treble but the VSD1S is actually better in this area coz while it's a touch less pronounced in certain areas it is a bit smoother and sweeter while the VSD1 is a bit grainy and a tad more prone to sibilance. 

I've said it many times, the difference is not that big to be able to say that the VSD1 is good for this or that type of music while the VSD1S is good for completely different genres. 

You obviously either haven't heard both, or don't listen to metal or hard rock, because if you did, you wouldn't make such a glaringly erroneous comment as this?

post #1429 of 1941

There is a HUGE difference in capability of the VSD1 and VSD1S in terms of presenting metal or any heavy music. Yes there is a NOTICABLE difference in instrument separation and bite and clarity of the guitars, and from your own comment, the added sparkle of the top end of the VSD1 is EXACTLY the reason it handles metal better, because despite the sibilance, and it's not as bad as you make it out to be, it gives the "illusion" of more clarity between guitars and bass and vocals in metal. The tuning of the VSD1S has less top end sparkle, and less bass weight, and this is all the difference needed to make it not as suitable for metal. thank you. 

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post #1431 of 1941
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Originally Posted by IEMagnet01 View Post
 

You obviously either haven't heard both, or don't listen to metal or hard rock, because if you did, you wouldn't make such a glaringly erroneous comment as this?

??? Why such a negative reply? First of all, I have all 3 versions - VSD1, VSD1S and VSD1LE. Second of all, I have spent A LOT of hours comparing the different versions. I didn't get the VSD1 and VSD1S a week a go - I've had them since their launch and have been pretty much carrying the entire thread on my shoulders. And finally, 80% of my music library is comprised of rock and metal and that's the type of music that's been dominating my listening time for the past 20 years or so.

 

As far as the differences between the two - I've already stated them many times. Sparkle? - smack on meelec m6's tips on VSD1S and it will increase a lot if you want that but sparkle is hardly what makes an iem better at metal. In fact the VSD1LE has the least amount of sparkle of the 3 versions and is the best one of the 3 for metal overall. Bass weight? - the VSD1 has a bit bigger bass body and impact but the VSD1S is a touch tighter and hits slightly harder, which actually makes drums a bit better to pick up from all the other noises. Sibilance? - if you took the time to read the thread you would see I've never complained about sibilance and said it's not bad or irritating me with the VSD1 - the VSD1S is not much better. There is almost no difference in instrumental separation - if anything the VSD1 sounds a touch fuller, which decreases the clarity and separation. In reality, that's a very small difference that does not affect it's ability to tackle one genre better than the VSD1S does.

 

Ask whoever you want that's heard both and they'll tell you the difference isn't that big between the two. Especially for ridiculous statements that a bit of mid-bass boost and a hair more pronounced top end make the VSD1S not suitable for something that the VSD1 is. You can pretty much just EQ the difference between the do. Of course, I know you don't care for other people's opinion judging by you harsh replies and bashing in the Deltas' thread.

post #1432 of 1941

can i have some of that popcorn? Buttered?

post #1433 of 1941
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post
 

??? Why such a negative reply? First of all, I have all 3 versions - VSD1, VSD1S and VSD1LE. Second of all, I have spent A LOT of hours comparing the different versions. I didn't get the VSD1 and VSD1S a week a go - I've had them since their launch and have been pretty much carrying the entire thread on my shoulders. And finally, 80% of my music library is comprised of rock and metal and that's the type of music that's been dominating my listening time for the past 20 years or so.

 

As far as the differences between the two - I've already stated them many times. Sparkle? - smack on meelec m6's tips on VSD1S and it will increase a lot if you want that but sparkle is hardly what makes an iem better at metal. In fact the VSD1LE has the least amount of sparkle of the 3 versions and is the best one of the 3 for metal overall. Bass weight? - the VSD1 has a bit bigger bass body and impact but the VSD1S is a touch tighter and hits slightly harder, which actually makes drums a bit better to pick up from all the other noises. Sibilance? - if you took the time to read the thread you would see I've never complained about sibilance and said it's not bad or irritating me with the VSD1 - the VSD1S is not much better. There is almost no difference in instrumental separation - if anything the VSD1 sounds a touch fuller, which decreases the clarity and separation. In reality, that's a very small difference that does not affect it's ability to tackle one genre better than the VSD1S does.

 

Ask whoever you want that's heard both and they'll tell you the difference isn't that big between the two. Especially for ridiculous statements that a bit of mid-bass boost and a hair more pronounced top end make the VSD1S not suitable for something that the VSD1 is. You can pretty much just EQ the difference between the do. Of course, I know you don't care for other people's opinion judging by you harsh replies and bashing in the Deltas' thread.

that is true...the Delta's are pretty crappy. As for your backpeddling, ok, I'll give you that opportunity. As for your analysis, the guy asked which was better for metal, and I'm not going to let you steer him to something that's not suitable for metal, which the VSD1S is not. He's better off getting the VSD1 or KEF m200 for metal, and leaving the VSD1S for jazz or classical, which is what they are good for. Good day, sir. Btw..I like buttered popcorn, but when those kernal chips gets stuck between gums and teeth or the roof of your mouth?? UGH!

post #1434 of 1941
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Originally Posted by IEMagnet01 View Post
 

that is true...the Delta's are pretty crappy. As for your backpeddling, ok, I'll give you that opportunity. As for your analysis, the guy asked which was better for metal, and I'm not going to let you steer him to something that's not suitable for metal, which the VSD1S is not. He's better off getting the VSD1 or KEF m200 for metal, and leaving the VSD1S for jazz or classical, which is what they are good for. Good day, sir. Btw..I like buttered popcorn, but when those kernal chips gets stuck between gums and teeth or the roof of your mouth?? UGH!

I never said - go for the VSD1S. I said that both are good with rock and metal. I'm pretty sure that if he asked joker he would recommend the VSD1S above the VSD1. The differences between the two are small and it's down to personal preference, which one gets a slight edge for a certain type of music. Some people may argue that the VSD1S' lower mids are a touch more forward, which makes male vocals sound better or that the VSD1's highs are a bit splashy in comparison. At any rate, saying that the VSD1S is not suitable for metal is quite extreme even just based on personal preference based on the small differences between the two.

Well, to each his own. 

And as far as the Deltas go, I got to spend some time with them today but I'll refrain from giving any opinion on your comments and review about them coz I'm a friendly guy and I believe everyone is entitled to his opinion even if it's wrong.

post #1435 of 1941
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can i have some of that popcorn? Buttered?


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post #1436 of 1941

What do you think is the best dual dynamic iem?

post #1437 of 1941
Gr07 mk2 classic edition is out :0.... $119 on ebay biggrin.gif
post #1438 of 1941
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Originally Posted by mochill View Post

Gr07 mk2 classic edition is out :0.... $119 on ebay biggrin.gif

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I just picked up the KEF M200 and the Klipsch X10 to replace my dying and retired UE 700. Seems to rate higher than the GR07, but man is that an AMAZING deal for the GR07! If it wasn't for fit issues with me, I'd have to consider a repurchase?

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