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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Does putting HD music on a portable media player make sense? I mean it's not like most people can actually hear a difference between HD and 16/44 on a full-sized desktop rig, right?

 

You are correct, "most people" may not notice a difference. Because "most people" are not audiophiles or enthusiast like "most people" here. The problem is that "most people" don't know what thier music is supposed to sound like. imho. This is an iPod/Youtube generation. Few people are going to actual live performances to really hear what music really sounds like, or are not really using hi-fi equiptment.

 

 

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Originally Posted by burtomr View Post

 

It does if ALL your music files are high res. Having to re-sample to lesser bitrates is unnessasary if the DAP can handle 'em.

 

Example: Rockbox FW in a player can play ANY res file & type ever made period.

 

This is one of the primary benifits.....I hate having to convert. I just had to convert some 96/24 stuff down to 48/24 (the highest res. an iPod Touch supports) and it took a long time. It would be very nice just to drag and drop, without any restrictions.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post

I don't even think lossless on a portable makes sense....lol. High bitrate LAME or AAC lossy files sound transparent these days for most people, since the encoders have improved so much over the years. 

 

True. A well encoded MP3 can sound good for most things, but I find it still has trouble in certain areas. I have found that MP3 does not capture choirs, percussion, and brass correctly in some recordings, and then I feel the sound stage is effected a little...theres just seems like theres less "space" in the recording. But you're right in most cases I think 320 kbps are ok on a portable player for most things, but when I start hearing those descrepencies I panic and re encode everything in lossless to ensure integrity.

BTW I took some A/B comparison test once I found on the internet, and I did pass it twice.

post #287 of 629
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Originally Posted by burtomr View Post

Example: Rockbox FW in a player can play ANY res file & type ever made period.

Rockbox will play those, but it will resample it all to 16 bit / 44.1kHz on the fly, with an admittedly poor resampling algorithm. If you can hear the difference (which is not at all a given), you're better off converting your stuff with a high quality resampler beforehand.
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Originally Posted by TJ Max View Post

when I start hearing those descrepencies I panic and re encode everything in lossless to ensure integrity.

What do you re-encode to lossless? What's your source? Why do you have to "re-encode" at all?
Edited by skamp - 7/8/13 at 2:07am
post #288 of 629

You may not physically capable of hearing the difference but you may psychologically hear better sound with the higher bits due to placebo effects. I would say go for it if the placebo effect works. Nothing wrong about that, it's like a spiritual thing. You believe it then it happens. wink_face.gif

post #289 of 629
I think its also about options, whether a device is capable of doing something extra than others. As high res files are becoming more easily obtainable, it would sure be nice to be able to play them back without having to first downres them.
post #290 of 629
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What do you re-encode to lossless? What's your source? Why do you have to "re-encode" at all?

 

I rip from the CD in a lossless format.

 

 

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Originally Posted by DMinor View Post

You may not physically capable of hearing the difference but you may psychologically hear better sound with the higher bits due to placebo effects. I would say go for it if the placebo effect works. Nothing wrong about that, it's like a spiritual thing. You believe it then it happens. wink_face.gif

 

Theres no need for a decending tone. My conclusions are based on evidence, if you know what a trumpet sounds like and  certain notes have this wierd harmonic distortion or notice certain artifacts then you know exactly what you're listening to, as it can be verified.


Edited by TJ Max - 7/8/13 at 7:41am
post #291 of 629
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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post

I don't even think lossless on a portable makes sense....lol. High bitrate LAME or AAC lossy files sound transparent these days for most people, since the encoders have improved so much over the years. 

 

I keep reading this very interesting thread.

 

I've got my music files in WAV format (16-bit/44.1 KHz) ripped from CDs (Windows 7 Media Center)

Since I'm going to get the X3 later this year I just wonder what is a good free

or commercial software (for instance JRiver?) to convert those WAV files to the high-bitrate

(1) LAME

or preferably tongue_smile.gif

(2) AAC

 

Also, what sites (amazon.com, Google Music, ...?) are selling  high-bitrate LAME and AAC music files?


Edited by JakeJack_2008 - 7/8/13 at 9:35am
post #292 of 629

LAME is a free encoder, that can be operated from a command prompt.

If you prefer a GUI then a good free music manager that supports LAME is MusicBee.

 

Of coarse iTunes can encode in AAC for free, and I think MusicBee can too...I could be wrong.

 

Amazon's files are enocded in LAME.

post #293 of 629
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Originally Posted by TJ Max View Post

LAME is a free encoder, that can be operated from a command prompt.

If you prefer a GUI then a good free music manager that supports LAME is MusicBee.

 

Of coarse iTunes can encode in AAC for free, and I think MusicBee can too...I could be wrong.

 

Amazon's files are enocded in LAME.

Thanx a lot. I guess that it is much better for the FiiO  X3 to already have music in AAC or LAME formats than to convert them,

say, from WAV, high res FLAC, etc on the fly. I think that those dedicated standalone encoders are optimized for

the task of converting to AAC and LAME formats respectively.

 

I'm really interested in a DAP under $200. My first choice is the FiiO X3.

post #294 of 629
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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post

I don't even think lossless on a portable makes sense....lol. High bitrate LAME or AAC lossy files sound transparent these days for most people, since the encoders have improved so much over the years. 

I keep reading this very interesting thread.

I've got my music files in WAV format (16-bit/44.1 KHz) ripped from CDs (Windows 7 Media Center)
Since I'm going to get the X3 later this year I just wonder what is a good free
or commercial software (for instance JRiver?) to convert those WAV files to the high-bitrate
(1) LAME
or preferably tongue_smile.gif

(2) AAC

Also, what sites (amazon.com, Google Music, ...?) are selling  high-bitrate LAME and AAC music files?

You can use Foobar2000 to convert music to LAME MP3 and AAC as well. It's also a free music player that is audiophile approved with WASAPI output. smily_headphones1.gif

As for buying music, I would honestly stick to iTunes. AmazonMP3 tends to sell low bitrate MP3s while iTunes sells a higher-quality 256 kbps AAC file. Also, a big bonus here, if you purchase files "Mastered for iTunes," Apple actually keeps the master-quality files (24-bit, 96 kHz) on their servers in case they decide to offer it to consumers in the future.
post #295 of 629
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post


You can use Foobar2000 to convert music to LAME MP3 and AAC as well. It's also a free music player that is audiophile approved with WASAPI output. smily_headphones1.gif
 

Foobar2000 makes it much more convenient to rip, [mass-]tag and convert music, but you still have to download and install/unpack your encoders, be it LAME, FLAC or whatever's your poison.

post #296 of 629
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As for buying music, I would honestly stick to iTunes. AmazonMP3 tends to sell low bitrate MP3s while iTunes sells a higher-quality 256 kbps AAC file. Also, a big bonus here, if you purchase files "Mastered for iTunes," Apple actually keeps the master-quality files (24-bit, 96 kHz) on their servers in case they decide to offer it to consumers in the future.

I have to disagree here. Every MP3 I've gotten from Amazon has been over 225kbps. And they'll play on anything except the  Tera Player (which only plays WAV rolleyes.gif ) whereas there are still devices out there that won't play AAC files.

That said, I have bought music from both Amazon MP3 and iTunes, and never felt like I got a bad sounding album.

post #297 of 629
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

As for buying music, I would honestly stick to iTunes. AmazonMP3 tends to sell low bitrate MP3s while iTunes sells a higher-quality 256 kbps AAC file. Also, a big bonus here, if you purchase files "Mastered for iTunes," Apple actually keeps the master-quality files (24-bit, 96 kHz) on their servers in case they decide to offer it to consumers in the future.
I have to disagree here. Every MP3 I've gotten from Amazon has been over 225kbps. And they'll play on anything except the  Tera Player (which only plays WAV rolleyes.gif
 ) whereas there are still devices out there that won't play AAC files.
That said, I have bought music from both Amazon MP3 and iTunes, and never felt like I got a bad sounding album.

Wat...I must be buying the wrong stuff then. I buy single MP3s when they send me free X dollars for Amazon MP3 and the files I get for my mom...sound quite bad to be frank. >.>
post #298 of 629

I have the same experience. I rarely download MP3s but when I do from Amazon they have always been in 320 kbps. And as mentioned MP3 is more universal than AAC.

Perhaps your Mom has her iTunes configured to automatically reconvert imported files to a lower bitrates. I think iTunes has that option.


Edited by TJ Max - 7/8/13 at 1:15pm
post #299 of 629

Really? It's not in iTunes, it's directly from AmazonMP3.

 

Awww yeaaah. Glorious 145 kbps MP3s.

post #300 of 629
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Really? It's not in iTunes, it's directly from AmazonMP3.

 

Awww yeaaah. Glorious 145 kbps MP3s.

I guess it's like you said before.....you're buying the wrong stuff....lol.

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