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On par with the he400 but more comfortable?

post #1 of 14
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Hey guys,sorry if the title of this thread is mis leading! Basically iam thinking about upgrading my hd598s soon and i was really considering the he400 as my next choice but the issue with comfort/weight is seriously putting me off! I often laze about all day and have my headphones on for hours even so comfort is pretty important to me!!

 

What i want to know is, Is there anything out there that is in the same price range as the he400's and on par with the way they sound but with better comfort?

 

I love the hd598s but feel iam becoming a little bored with them! I would like something with a little more bass (although iam not a bass heavy person) but i do like a nice clean 'punchy' bass, Good clear vocals that make you go wooow and just a general good all rounder! I listen to various types of music except heavy metal and hardcore dance/techno stuff!!

 

I also have an Aune t1 on order so something that the Aune t1 can take care of is a must also!

 

My budget is $450 max inc shipping

post #2 of 14

I don't know if you would consider the AKG K702 65th Anniversary's sound signature to be on par with the HE400, but they're way more comfortable.  

 

I consider them to be in a similar quality bracket.

post #3 of 14
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Originally Posted by Limniscate View Post

I don't know if you would consider the AKG K702 65th Anniversary's sound signature to be on par with the HE400, but they're way more comfortable.  

 

I consider them to be in a similar quality bracket.

Is there much difference between them and the standard k702s because i have read the standard k702s are not much of an upgrade over the hd598s

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Originally Posted by Blaalad12 View Post

Is there much difference between them and the standard k702s because i have read the standard k702s are not much of an upgrade over the hd598s

I can't really speak to your question because I've never heard the standard K702.  Mad Lust Envy would be a much better person to ask since he's owned both and the HE400.  As far as the HE400 v. the K702 65th Annies, I'm pretty much in line with Mad Lust Envy's thoughts except, maybe, the treble.  

post #5 of 14

You'll have a tough time with something that matches the signature of the he400 other than another planar magnetic. If you're okay with a closed hp, consider the Maddog by Mr. Speakers. Extremely comfortable...great sound signature with no treble peak like the he400. 

 

gL!!

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

You'll have a tough time with something that matches the signature of the he400 other than another planar magnetic. If you're okay with a closed hp, consider the Maddog by Mr. Speakers. Extremely comfortable...great sound signature with no treble peak like the he400. 

 

gL!!

I still haven't noticed the treble peak in the HE400s that everyone speaks of.  I found the Mad Dogs to be very underwhelming at the Austin meet; maybe I just didn't get enough time with them.

post #7 of 14
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Not sure if i would buy a closed hp to be honest, I only listen to music at home anyway so closed is by no means necessary and i think open back generally have a more natural sound and arent as fatiguing!!

 

He400s do sound very tempting but its a shame they are said to be uncomfortable 

post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by Blaalad12 View Post

Not sure if i would buy a closed hp to be honest, I only listen to music at home anyway so closed is by no means necessary and i think open back generally have a more natural sound and arent as fatiguing!!

 

He400s do sound very tempting but its a shame they are said to be uncomfortable 

I agree on the closed v. open: no point in getting closed unless you need the isolation and lack of leakage.  As far as comfort, it's all relative.  I don't find the HE400s to be uncomfortable but my first headphone was the Grado SR60, which is very uncomfortable in comparison.  Are the HE400s as comfortable as the Beyer DT880 or the AKG K702 65th Annies ... no.  Would I characterize them as uncomfortable ... no.   

post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by Limniscate View Post

I agree on the closed v. open: no point in getting closed unless you need the isolation and lack of leakage.  As far as comfort, it's all relative.  I don't find the HE400s to be uncomfortable but my first headphone was the Grado SR60, which is very uncomfortable in comparison.  Are the HE400s as comfortable as the Beyer DT880 or the AKG K702 65th Annies ... no.  Would I characterize them as uncomfortable ... no.   

Interesting, I read the headband is uncomfortable and the clamp is very tight and also the ear pads, I know i can buy velour pads and a head band cover but id rather not have to!! Are they ok for long usage? Is the bass 'too much' or just fine considering iam not a bass heavy person (for example i cant stand the bass on any of the beats range ha) 

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Originally Posted by Blaalad12 View Post

Interesting, I read the headband is uncomfortable and the clamp is very tight and also the ear pads, I know i can buy velour pads and a head band cover but id rather not have to!! Are they ok for long usage? Is the bass 'too much' or just fine considering iam not a bass heavy person (for example i cant stand the bass on any of the beats range ha) 

I can wear the HE400s for hours without it feeling uncomfortable.  Hmmmm hard to answer your second question, but I'll try by telling you my headphone journey.  Again, it's all relative.  I came from the Grado SR60 (purchased in the early 2000s), which are known to be very bright.  Then I had the Sennheiser PX 100-II, which are very bass heavy.  At first I liked the PX 100-II a lot better, but after going back and forth, I preferred the Grados.  I bought the PX 100-II based on one site's reviewers stating that they all preferred them to the SR-60; that was probably a bad move on my part.  I found the PX 100-II to be very muddy.  

 

Next I got the Hifiman RE0 (IEM) and the Sennheiser PC350 with bass mod.  The RE0s have virtually no bass but are extremely detailed in the mids and highs.  The PC 350s are the bastardized version of the Sennheiser 595.  Although they were better than anything I had ever owned, the PC 350s just didn't do it for me.  I then heard the Audio Technica W1000X (very good closed headphone) in the summer of 2011 and was pretty blown away.  

 

I went to Korea in May of 2012 and just for kicks went to one of their high-end headphone stores because I had heard about them from this site.  I listened to the Sennheiser HD600, Audio Technica AD700, Denon D2000, and a few other headphones.  Surprisingly, I was not impressed with the Sennheiser or the Denons.  I liked the AD700s the best, and they're known for lacking bass.  Several months passed, and then I started to read these forums more carefully.  The HE400 was on my radar based on my reading.  Fortunately, I became aware of the Austin head-fi meet (happened in March '13) soon after I started researching more seriously.  

 

While at the meet, I listened to the Denon D2000 again, and it didn't sound like anything that I had remembered from my trip to Korea 10 months earlier.  The HE400s were the first headphone that I listened to at the meet, and maybe that biased me for the rest of the meet.  I remember not being impressed with the Sennheiser 800 or the HD650.  The only headphone that was obviously better than the HE400 was the LCD2.

 

I ended up pulling the trigger on the HE400 and got an O2/ODAC.  I've never considered myself a basshead at all, especially if you look at my past headphones.  The HE400s just do bass so well though that I was a convert.  I then bought the DT880 600 ohm (my second favorite headphone from my listening at the Austin meet) for my cousin and had a chance to compare extensively.  My conclusion was that I preferred the DT880 for certain songs and the HE400 for others.  I couldn't even say that I preferred one for certain genres over the other--really it just came down to the particular recording.  The HE400s do seem to overemphasize bass on certain songs, but on others, it really provides a nice undercurrent that adds a lot to the listening experience.  The beauty of the HE400's bass is that it doesn't bleed into the mids like Beats or other, lower quality headphones.    

 

My next purchase was the DT770 LE.  It just didn't compare to the DT880 and the HE400 overall except for maybe the mids: I probably do agree with headphonia's review with regards to the mids being a little smoother than the DT880's.

 

Next I bought the AKG K702 65th Annies mainly based on Mad Lust Envy's comparisons to the HE400.  I've only owned the 65th Annies for a little over a week. At first I didn't like them as much as the HE400, but upon further listening, I'm liking them more.  I still don't know if I'd say they're better than the HE400 and DT880.  I'll have to A/B them again, which I plan to do next weekend since I don't have access to the DT880 currently.  

 

Finally, I just bought the HE500 NIB for $560.  I've only had them for 2 days, but they're everything that people on head-fi have been saying: bad ass.  They are a major step up from the HE400s, and I'm not even listening to them on an ideal amp (O2), nor have I tried the velour ear pads yet.  I know this is a long post but wanted to provide some context for my opinions.  I'm relatively new to this world, so take my advice with a grain of salt.

 

 

TL;DR

HE400's bass is very textured and deep.  Until you've heard it or bass of equal quality (LCD2), it's really hard to draw a conclusion.  Moreover, you need to listen to a more neutral-sounding headphone of similar quality to the HE400, e.g. HD600, DT880 or AKG K702 65th Annie, to determine what you prefer.


Edited by Limniscate - 5/10/13 at 7:39pm
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by Limniscate View Post

I can wear the HE400s for hours without it feeling uncomfortable.  Hmmmm hard to answer your second question, but I'll try by telling you my headphone journey.  Again, it's all relative.  I came from the Grado SR60 (purchased in the early 2000s), which are known to be very bright.  Then I had the Sennheiser PX 100-II, which are very bass heavy.  At first I liked the PX 100-II a lot better, but after going back and forth, I preferred the Grados.  I bought the PX 100-II based on one site's reviewers stating that they all preferred them to the SR-60; that was probably a bad move on my part.  I found the PX 100-II to be very muddy.  

 

Next I got the Hifiman RE0 (IEM) and the Sennheiser PC350 with bass mod.  The RE0s have virtually no bass but are extremely detailed in the mids and highs.  The PC 350s are the bastardized version of the Sennheiser 595.  Although they were better than anything I had ever owned, the PC 350s just didn't do it for me.  I then heard the Audio Technica W1000X (very good closed headphone) in the summer of 2011 and was pretty blown away.  

 

I went to Korea in May of 2012 and just for kicks went to one of their high-end headphone stores because I had heard about them from this site.  I listened to the Sennheiser HD600, Audio Technica AD700, Denon D2000, and a few other headphones.  Surprisingly, I was not impressed with the Sennheiser or the Denons.  I liked the AD700s the best, and they're known for lacking bass.  Several months passed, and then I started to read these forums more carefully.  The HE400 was on my radar based on my reading.  Fortunately, I became aware of the Austin head-fi meet (happened in March '13) soon after I started researching more seriously.  

 

While at the meet, I listened to the Denon D2000 again, and it didn't sound like anything that I had remembered from my trip to Korea 10 months earlier.  The HE400s were the first headphone that I listened to at the meet, and maybe that biased me for the rest of the meet.  I remember not being impressed with the Sennheiser 800 or the HD650.  The only headphone that was obviously better than the HE400 was the LCD2.

 

I ended up pulling the trigger on the HE400 and got an O2/ODAC.  I've never considered myself a basshead at all, especially if you look at my past headphones.  The HE400s just do bass so well though that I was a convert.  I then bought the DT880 600 ohm (my second favorite headphone from my listening at the Austin meet) for my cousin and had a chance to compare extensively.  My conclusion was that I preferred the DT880 for certain songs and the HE400 for others.  I couldn't even say that I preferred one for certain genres over the other--really it just came down to the particular recording.  The HE400s do seem to overemphasize bass on certain songs, but on others, it really provides a nice undercurrent that adds a lot to the listening experience.  The beauty of the HE400's bass is that it doesn't bleed into the mids like Beats or other, lower quality headphones.    

 

My next purchase was the DT770 LE.  It just didn't compare to the DT880 and the HE400 overall except for maybe the mids: I probably do agree with headphonia's review with regards to the mids being a little smoother than the DT880's.

 

Next I bought the AKG K702 65th Annies mainly based on Mad Lust Envy's comparisons to the HE400.  I've only owned the 65th Annies for a little over a week. At first I didn't like them as much as the HE400, but upon further listening, I'm liking them more.  I still don't know if I'd say they're better than the HE400 and DT880.  I'll have to A/B them again, which I plan to do next weekend since I don't have access to the DT880 currently.  

 

Finally, I just bought the HE500 NIB for $560.  I've only had them for 2 days, but they're everything that people on head-fi have been saying: bad ass.  They are a major step up from the HE400s, and I'm not even listening to them on an ideal amp (O2), nor have I tried the velour ear pads yet.  I know this is a long post but wanted to provide some context for my opinions.  I'm relatively new to this world, so take my advice with a grain of salt.

 

 

TL;DR

HE400's bass is very textured and deep.  Until you've heard it or bass of equal quality (LCD2), it's really hard to draw a conclusion.  Moreover, you need to listen to a more neutral-sounding headphone of similar quality to the HE400, e.g. HD600, DT880 or AKG K702 65th Annie, to determine what you prefer.

Great post, iam knew to this 'world' to ha so its great to be able to come here and get opinions/advice from people that have experience with particular headphones! You have me wanting the he500s now btw haha Its a shame theres nowhere here where i live where i could try the he400s or 500s, Theres barely anywhere here that sells decent headphones :( 

post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by Blaalad12 View Post

Great post, iam knew to this 'world' to ha so its great to be able to come here and get opinions/advice from people that have experience with particular headphones! You have me wanting the he500s now btw haha Its a shame theres nowhere here where i live where i could try the he400s or 500s, Theres barely anywhere here that sells decent headphones :( 

Where do you live?  Yeah, I'm really lucky that I was able to go to the meet.  Spending hundreds of dollars on headphones that you haven't heard would make things a lot more difficult!  

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Originally Posted by Limniscate View Post

Where do you live?  Yeah, I'm really lucky that I was able to go to the meet.  Spending hundreds of dollars on headphones that you haven't heard would make things a lot more difficult!  

Ireland :)

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