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Originally Posted by Asr View Post

I'm currently trying to work things out so that I can attend this. I've had to cancel just about every other trip I had planned this summer for one reason or another and would like to get out of CO at least once this summer! (I had to cancel 4 trips which was really annoying!)

 

 

Have you ever attended a 2-channel audio show before, or even a regular Head-Fi meet? I'm just going to assume the answer is no, because it sounds like you haven't.

 

First, as warrenpchi pointed out, hotel facilities aren't free to reserve, so why should attendance be free? A hotel in the SF Bay Area has had its meeting rooms booked out completely for 3 consecutive days - do you have any idea how much that might cost? As someone who's organized meets before (mostly in CO, but also one in the SF Bay Area), I'm guessing that it cost around $100K (or higher) for the show organizers to book out the Westin SFO. They have to make that money back, and hopefully profit as well, in order to continue to run the CA Audio Show year after year. They're already charging the audio manufacturers thousands of dollars for their own demo rooms, and they need to also charge regular people some sort of entrance fee too, to make up the rest.

 

Second, the vendors aren't showing off their products to "sell" per se. They're showing products for demonstration first and foremost. It's an opportunity to hear all sorts of gear, headphone- and speaker-related, all in one place, with no pressure to buy anything. No one at an audio show will pressure you to buy anything. Granted, you'll still see salespeople there, and they'll still be making pitches about how great something is, but usually the equipment at audio shows is not for sale and no one will be pushing product on you. The point of an audio show is for consumers to get to know the manufacturers and demo their equipment in an environment that mimicks the at-home experience as closely as possible. The manufacturers do this to persuade you to buy their products later, after the show (though there might be vendors who offer show-special pricing).

 

Third, Frank I is organizing a Head-Fi meet that will take place at the same time (well, just on Saturday 8/10 that is). The Head-Fi meet will be completely separate from the 2-channel audio show and will be full of your fellow Head-Fiers who will be bringing their own equipment setups to share with each other. Even if you skip the rest of the audio show, the Head-Fi meet will have a wide variety of headphone-related gear that you can demo for yourself with absolutely no pressure from anyone. At the same time you'll get to meet your fellow Head-Fiers who will happily socialize with you, if you're so inclined. And have you seen the equipment list in post #2 of this thread? All of that will be there. The Head-Fi meet will also be guaranteed to have a completely different atmosphere & energy than the rest of the show, as it'll be full of hobbyists. Surely that would catch some of your interest?

 

Even if you attended only the Head-Fi meet part of the show, the $30 would still be worth it for the knowledge that you can gain for the listening experience with a wide variety of headphones & amps, and for being able to talk to your fellow Head-Fiers in-person. Head-Fiers are also generally some of the coolest, friendliest people that I've met - and you'll probably have a great time just chatting it up with people. I know that I always do every time I attend a meet anywhere in the country, and I've been to a lot around the country over the past several years!

 

$30 really isn't that much either, so I don't get the price complaint especially from someone in the SF Bay Area. That whole area has a high cost of living from rent to food to gas and all sorts of other things. I know because I used to live in Silicon Valley.


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post #452 of 645

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Edited by Mr.Tom - 7/30/13 at 3:33pm
post #453 of 645
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Originally Posted by Asr View Post

I'm currently trying to work things out so that I can attend this. I've had to cancel just about every other trip I had planned this summer for one reason or another and would like to get out of CO at least once this summer! (I had to cancel 4 trips which was really annoying!)

 

This would be a great trip to take.  Capital Audio is over, so it seems like this is the last major show before CanJam.  smile.gif

 

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Originally Posted by Asr View Post

Have you ever attended a 2-channel audio show before, or even a regular Head-Fi meet? I'm just going to assume the answer is no, because it sounds like you haven't.

 

First, as warrenpchi pointed out, hotel facilities aren't free to reserve, so why should attendance be free? A hotel in the SF Bay Area has had its meeting rooms booked out completely for 3 consecutive days - do you have any idea how much that might cost? As someone who's organized meets before (mostly in CO, but also one in the SF Bay Area), I'm guessing that it cost around $100K (or higher) for the show organizers to book out the Westin SFO. They have to make that money back, and hopefully profit as well, in order to continue to run the CA Audio Show year after year. They're already charging the audio manufacturers thousands of dollars for their own demo rooms, and they need to also charge regular people some sort of entrance fee too, to make up the rest.

 

Second, the vendors aren't showing off their products to "sell" per se. They're showing products for demonstration first and foremost. It's an opportunity to hear all sorts of gear, headphone- and speaker-related, all in one place, with no pressure to buy anything. No one at an audio show will pressure you to buy anything. Granted, you'll still see salespeople there, and they'll still be making pitches about how great something is, but usually the equipment at audio shows is not for sale and no one will be pushing product on you. The point of an audio show is for consumers to get to know the manufacturers and demo their equipment in an environment that mimicks the at-home experience as closely as possible. The manufacturers do this to persuade you to buy their products later, after the show (though there might be vendors who offer show-special pricing).

 

Third, Frank I is organizing a Head-Fi meet that will take place at the same time (well, just on Saturday 8/10 that is). The Head-Fi meet will be completely separate from the 2-channel audio show and will be full of your fellow Head-Fiers who will be bringing their own equipment setups to share with each other. Even if you skip the rest of the audio show, the Head-Fi meet will have a wide variety of headphone-related gear that you can demo for yourself with absolutely no pressure from anyone. At the same time you'll get to meet your fellow Head-Fiers who will happily socialize with you, if you're so inclined. And have you seen the equipment list in post #2 of this thread? All of that will be there. The Head-Fi meet will also be guaranteed to have a completely different atmosphere & energy than the rest of the show, as it'll be full of hobbyists. Surely that would catch some of your interest?

 

Even if you attended only the Head-Fi meet part of the show, the $30 would still be worth it for the knowledge that you can gain for the listening experience with a wide variety of headphones & amps, and for being able to talk to your fellow Head-Fiers in-person. Head-Fiers are also generally some of the coolest, friendliest people that I've met - and you'll probably have a great time just chatting it up with people. I know that I always do every time I attend a meet anywhere in the country, and I've been to a lot around the country over the past several years!

 

$30 really isn't that much either, so I don't get the price complaint especially from someone in the SF Bay Area. That whole area has a high cost of living from rent to food to gas and all sorts of other things. I know because I used to live in Silicon Valley.

 

Plus.  One.  Exactly.  smile.gif

 

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Originally Posted by Mr.Tom View Post

Not sure why you feel the need to attack me on this. I just gave my opinion on what I feel to be too much. I have been to meets, I've also attended CES a few times.

 

You most likely make/have more money than I. $30. will feed me for a week. I don't appreciate your insensitivity.

 

And just because I was born and raised in SF, does not mean I'm rich or well off. Not all of us were born with a silicon spoon in our mouths.blink.gif

 

No one is attacking you Mr.Tom.  We're simply trying to illustrate why $30 is - in fact - not as exorbitantly expensive as one might suggest.

post #454 of 645
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Originally Posted by warrenpchi View Post

 

The attendance fee for the L.A. Meet that we had a few weeks ago was $20.  This is because hotel ballrooms cost money.  It's not about profit, it's about everyone chipping in their fair share to get together as a community.  Why is it that someone else should spend their hard earned money to make sure you get in for free?  When you start laying down thousands of dollars of your own money to book these venues, then you might not be so keen about giving everyone free admission.

 

Thanks for the clarification on the administrative costs; I'm certain that everyone with the day available for this Meet will understand.  As for me, I don't know what my workday for 10 August will be like - too many variables in my business.  Much as I'd like to audition headsets for my Asus® CM1630 as equipped at this Meet (the XONAR® Essence™ STX'™ Texas Instruments® TP6120A2 drives my need for headsets of Zl≧120Ω), I may get slammed with calls for service.

post #455 of 645

Hell yeah I'd pay 30 samolians to go!

Unfortunately my work schedule won't allow it.

I'll be living vicariously through the reviews.

Hoping it's a good one!

post #456 of 645

gotta figure out what I'm going to bring to the meet since we're in the middle of a move!!

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I've settled on the HD800. Not bought yet, and doubt I will, who knows though! I'm actually halfway there in terms of money. And I am planning on selling the DT880, and then Christmas. So hey, you never know man.

All that debate about entrance fee made me forget.

If you can find one at this meet, definitely try the HD800 out with the HDVD 800.

HD800 isn't my cup of tea (too much treble, too little bass), but I had the chance to demo it with the HDVD 800 few weeks earlier.

And it was the best I have heard the HD800 by far. Whatever we had at the February meet couldn't compare.

Not to mention it was a STOCK HD800 to boot. Sennheiser did a pretty amazing job with that DAC/amp. Anax-modded HD800 at the February meet still sounded harsh and sibilant to me. But not that setup. Stock HD800 + HDVD 800 was something to behold. If it had just a smidgen more bass impact, it would have been my end-game setup.
post #458 of 645
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I've settled on the HD800. Not bought yet, and doubt I will, who knows though! I'm actually halfway there in terms of money. And I am planning on selling the DT880, and then Christmas. So hey, you never know man.

All that debate about entrance fee made me forget.

If you can find one at this meet, definitely try the HD800 out with the HDVD 800.

HD800 isn't my cup of tea (too much treble, too little bass), but I had the chance to demo it with the HDVD 800 few weeks earlier.

And it was the best I have heard the HD800 by far. Whatever we had at the February meet couldn't compare.

Not to mention it was a STOCK HD800 to boot. Sennheiser did a pretty amazing job with that DAC/amp. Anax-modded HD800 at the February meet still sounded harsh and sibilant to me. But not that setup. Stock HD800 + HDVD 800 was something to behold. If it had just a smidgen more bass impact, it would have been my end-game setup.
I am most likely selling my DT880, purchase a used HD800, and I have already bought a BH Crack + Speedball(got the speed for free).
post #459 of 645
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I am most likely selling my DT880, purchase a used HD800, and I have already bought a BH Crack + Speedball(got the speed for free).

Oh, I saw that setup at the February meet, I think, but I didn't have the chance to try it.

HD800 out of most other amps were just... not quite there for me. I preferred the LCD-2 and LCD-3 setups a bit more.

But when I had the chance to try HD800 with HDVD 800, I actually preferred it over the LCD-3.
post #460 of 645
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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post

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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post

I am most likely selling my DT880, purchase a used HD800, and I have already bought a BH Crack + Speedball(got the speed for free).

Oh, I saw that setup at the February meet, I think, but I didn't have the chance to try it.

HD800 out of most other amps were just... not quite there for me. I preferred the LCD-2 and LCD-3 setups a bit more.

But when I had the chance to try HD800 with HDVD 800, I actually preferred it over the LCD-3.

LCD-2/3 way too heavy, and prefer the sound of the HD800 too. I'm hoping to snag a used HD800 for $1000.

post #461 of 645
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LCD-2/3 way too heavy, and prefer the sound of the HD800 too. I'm hoping to snag a used HD800 for $1000.

Haha. Yeah, I was torn between HD800 and LCD-2/3 presentation after the meet.

But my heart was completely won over by the midrange of Audio Technica headphones by that time (especially the W3000ANV), so I got the W3000ANV's little brother, the W1000X, and... started modding it instead. And I added a cheap tube amp (Little Dot) recently to smooth it out a bit more.

Can't wait to do some comparisons between this particular W1000X and some other headphones. Especially against the W3000ANV. I felt that the W3000ANV was the closest to my perfect headphone, though it could use a bit more treble and soundstage.
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Hi all, audio noob, Have a pair of hd280s (7 years old) running off a titanium HD and looking to upgrade. I'm excited to hear and learn all the combos and hear everyone's opinions on their setups next saturday. I hope it helps my decision for my next purchase. Been leaning towards the mad dogs and magni as the next step and when i saw they are in the show i was sold already. Do they sponsers sell their hardware at these type of events? Sorry for the questions this will be my first meet up and show.  

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Hi all, audio noob, Have a pair of hd280s (7 years old) running off a titanium HD and looking to upgrade. I'm excited to hear and learn all the combos and hear everyone's opinions on their setups next saturday. I hope it helps my decision for my next purchase. Been leaning towards the mad dogs and magni as the next step and when i saw they are in the show i was sold already. Do they sponsers sell their hardware at these type of events? Sorry for the questions this will be my first meet up and show.  

MrSpeakers is selling his Mad Dogs at the show, also, the Magni/Modi is at his station with the Mad Dogs to listen to it. I'm not sure about Schiit, do you want me to ask Jason for you? I don't mind at all.

 

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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post

LCD-2/3 way too heavy, and prefer the sound of the HD800 too. I'm hoping to snag a used HD800 for $1000.

Haha. Yeah, I was torn between HD800 and LCD-2/3 presentation after the meet.

But my heart was completely won over by the midrange of Audio Technica headphones by that time (especially the W3000ANV), so I got the W3000ANV's little brother, the W1000X, and... started modding it instead. And I added a cheap tube amp (Little Dot) recently to smooth it out a bit more.

Can't wait to do some comparisons between this particular W1000X and some other headphones. Especially against the W3000ANV. I felt that the W3000ANV was the closest to my perfect headphone, though it could use a bit more treble and soundstage.

Cool man, maybe I'll help youwink.gif

post #464 of 645
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Originally Posted by xero404 View Post

Hi all, audio noob, Have a pair of hd280s (7 years old) running off a titanium HD and looking to upgrade. I'm excited to hear and learn all the combos and hear everyone's opinions on their setups next saturday. I hope it helps my decision for my next purchase. Been leaning towards the mad dogs and magni as the next step and when i saw they are in the show i was sold already. Do they sponsers sell their hardware at these type of events? Sorry for the questions this will be my first meet up and show.  

I'm sure you can buy the Mad Dogs at the meet, since Dan brought some last time.
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Cool man, maybe I'll help youwink.gif

Thanks! I'd appreciate it!

I'm so excited for the show that I'm already starting to think about what sort of attire I should wear this time. Hahaha!

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Side suggestion to Dan: I think you may want to try making limited edition Mad Dogs specifically for the occasion. That'll definitely boost traffic to the meet! And I'd definitely love to buy a pair of CAS limited edition Mad Dogs for my Dad, even if it's just some extra letters painted on the ear cups. I've been dying to pull him away from the ATH-M50.
Edited by Bill-P - 7/31/13 at 4:26pm
post #465 of 645

Xero, I asked Jason for you, and they do not sell their gear at meets. I'm sure you could order a Magni and just ask him to bring it to you at the show.

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