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Poll Results: stronger natural midrange

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 32% (30)
    hifiman he-400
  • 42% (39)
    fidelio x1
  • 15% (14)
    sennheiser hd 598
  • 13% (12)
    akg q701
92 Total Votes  
post #61 of 185
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

You don't need to. Going balanced is something you do when you have found THE headphone and want to try something new.. For example. I got the cables for my HE-500, but I still use my normal single ended amp. Balanced isn't a must in anyway, neither if you go for high end headphones
What he said. I have balanced amp and dac. Save yourself some money and stick to single ended. I balanced mine cause I wanted to try what the fuzz is all about...
post #62 of 185
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

I'd rather put HD650 as midforward than "neutral". Neutral isn't the key for everyone, some like mids, some like more of bass, some like crisp highs etc. I see a lot of people threatening what they like as "neutral". There's nothing harm in being forward in a certain range if that's what your preferences prefer. Frequency responses backs this statement up which are highly objective reflections.

X1 seems more like a bit bassforward with pretty neutral mids and highs while HD650 is a bit of a midforward headphone.

My ears agree with this. The X1's bass is the showcase, but it's done pretty tastefully and I feel it's not overly bassy. For some songs, it is really a lot of fun! For others, it is bordering on excess. The mids are pretty nice, and vocals aren't too bad, but the HD650 certainly wins out for vocals to me. The highs on the X1 were actually surprisingly smooth. On graphs, they're tipped a bit, but they sound quite smooth and lack sibilance, which is good. However, overall, the HD650 is an altogether more natural sounding headphone to my ears, with seductive vocals, greater transparency, and greater detail - in fact, because I felt the HD650 sounded more detailed than the X1, in my A/B sessions, I actually heard a slight "veil" when listening to the X1!

 

But, granted, I do think the X1 is a pretty good headphone. I think it'd be a great buy at $300 or less, but it is nice if it's the type of sound you're looking for. However, for greater transparency, naturalness, and vocals, I'd take the similarly priced Sennheisers. And for greater bass extension, impact, and juiciness, I'd take one of the discontinued Denons. Since I have both - I don't need the X1.

post #63 of 185
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Originally Posted by Biscuitz View Post

My ears agree with this. The X1's bass is the showcase, but it's done pretty tastefully and I feel it's not overly bassy. For some songs, it is really a lot of fun! For others, it is bordering on excess. The mids are pretty nice, and vocals aren't too bad, but the HD650 certainly wins out for vocals to me. The highs on the X1 were actually surprisingly smooth. On graphs, they're tipped a bit, but they sound quite smooth and lack sibilance, which is good. However, overall, the HD650 is an altogether more natural sounding headphone to my ears, with seductive vocals, greater transparency, and greater detail - in fact, because I felt the HD650 sounded more detailed than the X1, in my A/B sessions, I actually heard a slight "veil" when listening to the X1!

 

But, granted, I do think the X1 is a pretty good headphone. I think it'd be a great buy at $300 or less, but it is nice if it's the type of sound you're looking for. However, for greater transparency, naturalness, and vocals, I'd take the similarly priced Sennheisers. And for greater bass extension, impact, and juiciness, I'd take one of the discontinued Denons. Since I have both - I don't need the X1.

I experience this just the otherway around. In my direct swops the HD650 seemed more "distant" than the X1.

post #64 of 185
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Poleepkwa View Post

I experience this just the otherway around. In my direct swops the HD650 seemed more "distant" than the X1.

He could be using an amp that makes them pop more? 

 

what amps are you guys using with the hd650 ? 

 

I know this is off topic but for a closed headphone the German Maestro 8.35 d is awesome. It is better than the l1 and made me not care to even try the momentum. A little bright but its full and smooth nice mids and bass is just right. I cant find a con besides a little sibilance but less to me than the he-400. GREAT ISOLATION. Sturdy as heck. Pretty accurate headphone.  I was going to get the momentum and x1 but I dont even care for the momentum anymore. This headphone does it for me right now. 


Edited by grizzlybeast - 5/25/13 at 10:04am
post #65 of 185
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

He could be using an amp that makes them pop more? what amps are you guys using with the hd650. 

I know this is off topic but for a closed headphone the German Maestro 8.35 d is awesome. It is better than the l1 and made me not care to even try the momentum. A little bright but its full and smooth nice mids and bass is solid. Pretty accurate headphone but borderline sibilant.  I was going to get the momentum and x1 but I dont even care for the momentum anymore. This headphone does it
I am using Audio-GD Phoenix. I think that is of course possible. Neither sound veiled to me. The HD650 feels more like sitting in the audience and the X1 more like front row. Could perhaps be the reason the HD650 seems clearer and more open than X1. I think though that Bisquit assessment is spot on. I do not have Denons so I will stick with X1😊. Notice I take about "distant" and he talked about veil.
Edited by Poleepkwa - 5/25/13 at 10:11am
post #66 of 185

I know this a bit off topic, but that track you posted is [I]really[/I] good. I love the bluesy element to it. Not something you hear in mainstream hip hop. Very good production/mastering too. Is this available for purchase, by chance?

post #67 of 185
Thread Starter 

I posted two songs which one are you referring to. 

 

The video with the guy with dreads (Propaganda) and  me singing in the background or the one that has no video and just says Beautiful Eulogy. 

 

Both are available for free download on our website www.humblebeast.com Or please support buy going to itunes and buying the individual songs there!

 

Propaganda - Redefine Cutter ft. Lee Green (me)

 

Beautiful Eulogy - Anchor ft. Josh Garrols


Edited by grizzlybeast - 5/25/13 at 11:07am
post #68 of 185
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

I posted two songs which one are you referring to. 

 

The video with the guy with dreads (Propaganda) and  me singing in the background or the one that has no video and just says Beautiful Eulogy. 

 

Both are available for free download on our website www.humblebeast.com Or please support buy going to itunes and buying the individual songs there!

 

Propaganda - Redefine Cutter ft. Lee Green (me)

 

Beautiful Eulogy - Anchor ft. Josh Garrols

I was referring to the Propaganda track. Somehow I missed the other one. That one features Josh Garrels, huh? I'm familiar with him. He's one of my favorite musicians, actually. Now I know to check it out too. Thanks for the information. You're very talented, indeed. :)

post #69 of 185
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Poleepkwa View Post

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I am using Audio-GD Phoenix. I think that is of course possible. Neither sound veiled to me. The HD650 feels more like sitting in the audience and the X1 more like front row. Could perhaps be the reason the HD650 seems clearer and more open than X1. I think though that Bisquit assessment is spot on. I do not have Denons so I will stick with X1😊. Notice I take about "distant" and he talked about veil.

So overall you are very happy with your listening experience of the x1? 

 

I have never heard the x1 being described as veiled. But the veil description of the hd650 comes from people saying that its too lush and slow. How ever that sounds appealing to me plus the fact that the highs are rolled of sounds like it has a good spot for me when I want high volumes and enveloping listening experiences. 

 

The general consensus is that the hd 650 has dreamy vocal sound to them with the proper amp. That I have yet to hear with in the explanation of the x1. But there are those times when I do need to hear the music in a very fun and engaging way. So I have settled on the x1 as well. 

 

I might have to get the x1 first though. 

 

Well I am trying to figure out how to get both at the moment but I cant figure it out. I dont think I will ever purchase a denon headphone simply because they are really expensive closed headphones and I have a mental block that tells me if I'm going to spend that kind of money it better be open and scalable, though I might benefit from ignoring that I am stubborn right there. 


Edited by grizzlybeast - 5/25/13 at 11:18am
post #70 of 185

Yes, I am very pleased with the X1, its a nice one! In my system I do not find the HD650 slow sounding. It does not have the explosive dynamics of the Denons/X1 though. I also do not find it very rolled off at the treble. There is very little siblince and that I really like. The X1 is a lot more fun sounding for sure and has a LOT more bass. These 2 are different enough that I will keep both. The X1 is very good with movies. I also go it real cheaply secondhand: 130 euros. The cable changes does make a difference. What are you planning to amp it with?

post #71 of 185
Thread Starter 

I will just have an aune t1 for now as well as a the cheap fiio e11 and I have a focusrite forte that has a good DAC. 

post #72 of 185
Thread Starter 

i will do budget amping for now then later step it up. Thats why I am also so interested in the 650 because of its scalability. Is the x1 scalable. 

post #73 of 185

That I can not answer. I have only used them with the Phoenix. How they sound with better/worse amps I can not say. HD650 is scaleable for sure.

post #74 of 185

As far as amps go, I'd just buy an O2. It's not really cheap, but it's not exactly expensive either, and it'll handle whatever you throw at it, and you'll likely never need another amp. Save yourself the money from specialized "audiophile" amps that are either very expensive, not as good as the O2, or both. Of course Fiio's, etc will be cheaper, but the way I look at it, if you know you're going to replace it down the road anyway, might as well just get the other product now and save yourself that bit of money.

post #75 of 185
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post

As far as amps go, I'd just buy an O2. It's not really cheap, but it's not exactly expensive either, and it'll handle whatever you throw at it, and you'll likely never need another amp. Save yourself the money from specialized "audiophile" amps that are either very expensive, not as good as the O2, or both. Of course Fiio's, etc will be cheaper, but the way I look at it, if you know you're going to replace it down the road anyway, might as well just get the other product now and save yourself that bit of money.

Well I already have the aune t1 on its way so I'm stuck but Im happily stuck and just want some power to couple with its DAC and tube swapping capabilities. It is praised for its sound but I'll give the O2 a look for sure. 

 

wow thats cheap

http://www.jdslabs.com/item.php?fetchitem=o2full


Edited by grizzlybeast - 5/25/13 at 12:19pm
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