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Poll Results: stronger natural midrange

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 32% (29)
    hifiman he-400
  • 42% (38)
    fidelio x1
  • 13% (12)
    sennheiser hd 598
  • 13% (12)
    akg q701
89 Total Votes  
post #106 of 185

I suggest the 650 and O2. :) It would really be all you need. And as a dac, hmm I was very intrigued by the aune t1 myself and I'd like one too. But i'm probably going to wait with it for a while because it's going to cost me a lot of money. I'd probably buy over 20 different tubes. :P I'm still looking for a dac myself. I'm probably going to diy one to save costs.

And when I say that the X1 is a little bit closed sounding it isn't NEARLY as closed as a real closed headphone but it's just slightly closed. I don't even know what closed sounding exactly means so it's just a feeling I have. Nothing concrete. ;)

 

And Poleepkwa, what system are you talking about? 

post #107 of 185
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

Hd 650 being the unanimous winner for what I described.

 

A good choice. The HD650 definitely has clearer, more upfront vocals than the X1. Similar bass and more treble information on the HD650. The X1 has slight recession in the upper-mid and low-treb. Better resolution on the HD650, so you will hear everything! Poor recordings (and there are a lot in R&B, Reggae and hip hop) might be more apparent on the HD650.

 

But the X1 is still a good headphone. I don't mind a slight U-shaped sound signature for mainstream music. The HD650's mids can get fatiguing being so prominently in-your-face. The X1's mids are very natural sounding to me. I also find the highs on the X1 non-fatiguing, unlike the D7000 or the HE400. I only wish it had slightly more punch like the D7000 or HE400.

 

Also received the Momentum today. The X1 and HD650 are a clear step above being more open and by simply having bigger sound.


Edited by drheadphone - 5/27/13 at 3:08pm
post #108 of 185
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Originally Posted by HolyCheese View Post

I suggest the 650 and O2. :) It would really be all you need. And as a dac, hmm I was very intrigued by the aune t1 myself and I'd like one too. But i'm probably going to wait with it for a while because it's going to cost me a lot of money. I'd probably buy over 20 different tubes. :P I'm still looking for a dac myself. I'm probably going to diy one to save costs.

And when I say that the X1 is a little bit closed sounding it isn't NEARLY as closed as a real closed headphone but it's just slightly closed. I don't even know what closed sounding exactly means so it's just a feeling I have. Nothing concrete. ;)

 

And Poleepkwa, what system are you talking about? 

Wait for a nice offer to turn up... No need to go for the typical stuff and being dead set on a specific DAC, just do your research if a good price turns up on some product


Edited by davidsh - 5/28/13 at 4:59am
post #109 of 185
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by drheadphone View Post

 

A good choice. The HD650 definitely has clearer, more upfront vocals than the X1. Similar bass and more treble information on the HD650. The X1 has slight recession in the upper-mid and low-treb. Better resolution on the HD650, so you will hear everything! Poor recordings (and there are a lot in R&B, Reggae and hip hop) might be more apparent on the HD650.

 

But the X1 is still a good headphone. I don't mind a slight U-shaped sound signature for mainstream music. The HD650's mids can get fatiguing being so prominently in-your-face. The X1's mids are very natural sounding to me. I also find the highs on the X1 non-fatiguing, unlike the D7000 or the HE400. I only wish it had slightly more punch like the D7000 or HE400.

 

Also received the Momentum today. The X1 and HD650 are a clear step above being more open and by simply having bigger sound.

I better quit reading these posts and I hope I get the return soon. confused_face(1).gifblink.gifI am becoming indecisive here while I am waiting. Was going for the x1 as the first buy even though I want the hd650 more. But I don't know which one first.  Maybe the hd650 will feel like an upgrade.


Edited by grizzlybeast - 5/27/13 at 4:37pm
post #110 of 185
The X1 is perfectly fine for vocals. It's vocal range is not pushed back like the Beyers or Denons or completely shelved like the HE400. You'll get a touch of sparkly highs but not a bothersome spike like the HE400 or Beyers. You can't go wrong with either the HD650 or X1 for the music your listen to and the equipment you have.

I really like the X1 on a lesser source/DAC, like the portable HM601. The Aune T1 might also be a perfect match given its size and budget. You might actually be reaching closer to X1's full potential with the T1, while the HD650 will only get better with better, more expensive equipment.
post #111 of 185
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by drheadphone View Post

The X1 is perfectly fine for vocals. It's vocal range is not pushed back like the Beyers or Denons or completely shelved like the HE400. You'll get a touch of sparkly highs but not a bothersome spike like the HE400 or Beyers. You can't go wrong with either the HD650 or X1 for the music your listen to and the equipment you have.

I really like the X1 on a lesser source/DAC, like the portable HM601. The Aune T1 might also be a perfect match given its size and budget. You might actually be reaching closer to X1's full potential with the T1, while the HD650 will only get better with better, more expensive equipment.
Sounds good to me. X1 first it is.
post #112 of 185
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Originally Posted by HolyCheese View Post

I suggest the 650 and O2. :) It would really be all you need. And as a dac, hmm I was very intrigued by the aune t1 myself and I'd like one too. But i'm probably going to wait with it for a while because it's going to cost me a lot of money. I'd probably buy over 20 different tubes. :P I'm still looking for a dac myself. I'm probably going to diy one to save costs.

And when I say that the X1 is a little bit closed sounding it isn't NEARLY as closed as a real closed headphone but it's just slightly closed. I don't even know what closed sounding exactly means so it's just a feeling I have. Nothing concrete. ;)

 

And Poleepkwa, what system are you talking about? 

You mean my setup? Or?

post #113 of 185

Yes. I wonder how the X1 sounds or even better as close to the hd650 in terms of performance as you say. On the setup in the store the hd650 was better then the x1. Altough it'd probably be more of a difference in preferenc then something else. :)

post #114 of 185
I have audio-gd Phoenix and ref5. In theory the benefit should go to the HD650 as I run them balanced and the X1 single ended. My setup is liquid and weighty sounding. Having not heard the O2, but knowing that the designer adores Benchmark and have heard that its very neutral this could account for the difference in our conclusions. I would conclude that both of these are fine headphones, each with its own sound flavour, strength and weakness. Depending which one suits your preference. I enjoy both! PS:I did have a Benchmark DAC1 before the audio-gd setup.
Edited by Poleepkwa - 5/28/13 at 9:00am
post #115 of 185
Thread Starter 

fidelio x1 on the way.


Edited by grizzlybeast - 5/30/13 at 8:53am
post #116 of 185

Ahh that's a nice setup you have. :)

 

Great, I wonder what you think about the headphone! You are also going to buy the hd650 and keep whichever you like the least, right?

post #117 of 185
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by HolyCheese View Post

 

 

Great, I wonder what you think about the headphone! You are also going to buy the hd650 and keep whichever you like the least, right?

Yessir, that is the plan but I have to wait a couple of weeks first. probably next week. If the hd650 does the trick for the music I listen to and vocals which im sure it will and I don't find the x1 a useful counterpart (which I may not because they are not opposites) then I might sell or trade the x1 for the q701 or a beyer or some bright headphone that gives wide and airy soundstage with a lot of detail information for critical listening( not pleasure).

 

But I have a feeling that I am going to like the x1 a lot and will find it a great headphone for zoning out to loud music. I will post initial impressions as soon as they arrive. They don't seem like a headphone that changes a lot with burn in so I am sure they will give me what it has right away.

 

My only worries with the x1 is detail. I hope it has enough at least more than the l1!. But it is such a pretty headphone aesthetically.

 

I heard your headphone jack broke or something in another thread. Any advice on what to do or how to handle it? Were you able to fix it or??


Edited by grizzlybeast - 5/30/13 at 1:10pm
post #118 of 185

I'm sure you'll like them, I haven't heard the l1 alot but they probably are alot more detailed. They are more detailed then the k550, a very bright headphone.

 

And it's true they don't change much, if any change it's your brain adepting to the sound the first hour. I suggest you just put on your headphones and start to listen to the music first, not the headphone! Just relax and you will slowly begin to learn how it sounds. If you start focussing on parts of the sound you might miss the whole. :) 

 

Anyway, yes my jack broke. I heard more have this problem so it's a fragile point. At that time i wasn't very carefull with them and was trying out different cables, also low quality cables with sharp edges on the jack where plastic is. (if you know what I mean) Maybe that broke them? Anyway, i'm much more carefull now but i've accidentally pulled the cord a few times and i've fallen asleep with them alot and they still work fine now. Just be carefull, give the cable room to move if you sleep with them.

post #119 of 185
Thread Starter 

Pros and cons so far:

pros:

-bass is not too loose at all and not too tight (I like how it is done)

-smooth sounding and not sibilant

-pretty accurate 

-NICE Looking 

-Very comfortable and light

 

Cons:

-bass extension on only two songs I listen to. (this shouldn't be a problem though for most people don't listen to bass super low, not even hip hop)

-feel a little fragile despite its metal housing. buy a headphone rack or stand for sure

-none else that I can call a con really. I don't see it doing anything really wrong I would just prefer somethings done different like forward mids lol.

 

Got the x1 and compared to the he-400 x1 bass slams harder. I don't know if it reaches as low though. the mids sound way more natural to me on these. I was expecting them to lack detail but they don't atleast not to my ears. I do see the he-400 being slightly more detailed but also more sibilant for sure. It's funny how the he-400 has a dark sound to it but is sibilant.

 

Compared to the l1 the x1 is better in just about every area but I do prefer the sound sig of the l1 which have a fuller sound but looser bass and less detailed/more murky sound.

 

Overall they sound kinda neutral apart from the bass. I dont know if they are oxymorons but that is how I would describe them. If I had to choose only between these and the he-400 my preference would go to these for sure. 

 

The vocals don't  sound super close to the real thing but they don't sound recessed to me. From making music I know that usually the vocals are usually louder in the mix than other instruments because they are the part of the song that is leading the rest of the music. Most mixing boards as well at shows I have performed at have it mixed this way ...the microphone is a little louder. That is what I am hearing with these is that they convey that nuance on some songs. So it could be that the midrange isn't louder but the mix on some songs have the vocals louder and I am hearing that aspect on some songs.  But when we are listening to a song after we already have heard the lyrics we like to hear all of the different instruments and single them out in our minds. I don't think this headphone was built for that because it has a more holistic sound. 

 

I think these have good separation and they dont sound congested to me but not super spacious either.

 

These do however make me wanna get my hands on a headphone that sounds really spacious and neutral to compare them to. I played a song that always sounds congested to me no matter what headphone I have had (not that I have had a lot) and these added enough air to it to eliminate that and I was able to enjoy this song differently this time.

 

Between songs I did find myself adjusting the voluming a lot. 

 

Compared to my German Maestro 8.35 d :

the instruments don't sound as round or full but smoother. I actually tried to compare them with these headphones to see which one I liked better and I found that when paying attention to how the individual instruments sound I prefer the German slightly. The x1 has better imaging ie the cymbals sound more realistic. But as a whole I dont know... It seems like the bass is what is really the strongest point and the rest of it is smooth, kinda natural, and pretty even. The bass on these are more behaved than the on the German Maestro and its louder but I did find distortion at really high volumes. But the sub bass of the German maestros down low are better but require bass boost to get that rumble. These do not need bass boost but the sub bass doesn't rumble as strong down low.

 

Comparing these to my German Maestro 8.35 d made me appreciate them the Germans even more which will have a permanent spot in my listening experiences. 

 

My experience is pretty shallow but when I get the hd650 I will compare them just incase someone gets curious of impressions before buying. Getting them shipped here from out of the country takes for ever though so for now I will appreciate the great headphones I have now. 

 

Update:

from my memory of the x1 now gone I can say that the x1 does bass way better but isn't nearly as full sounding. One thing I noticed is that the x1 can't handle high volumes as well and is a lot more airy. The x1 is also just as comfortable. The clamp from the hd650 goes away after a while and allows for easier mobility but the x1 feels softer and is more loose on the head. The x1 would actually make a good pairing with the hd650. They can team up on a playlist to tackle different songs. The x1 would do better at sub bass with congested songs and the hd650 would do better for acoustic music and slays the x1 in vocals male or female.

 

As far as which sounds more natural I cant say. The hd650's sound more full and sweet but are slower and thicker. The x1 sounded just as detailed from what I remember and was quicker but had a more simple natural sound  whereas the hd650 has more of a stronger natural sound. The ZMF modded t50rp's sound smooth too. I would say that if someone were looking for non-sibilant headphones they couldn't do better than the x1,650,modded t50's for under 500.

 

I was going to sell the hd650 to go for the he-500 but I think that these will stay for now. Just wish I had the x1 as a team member. The Germans now gone too because I needed an amp are very missed as well.


Edited by grizzlybeast - 7/10/13 at 9:50pm
post #120 of 185
Great review! I think it's better to review the X1 again after a few days (or a week) listening, when the sound of X1 become more "stable"...
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