Pros and cons so far:
-bass is not too loose at all and not too tight (I like how it is done)
-smooth sounding and not sibilant
-Very comfortable and light
-bass extension on only two songs I listen to. (this shouldn't be a problem though for most people don't listen to bass super low, not even hip hop)
-feel a little fragile despite its metal housing. buy a headphone rack or stand for sure
-none else that I can call a con really. I don't see it doing anything really wrong I would just prefer somethings done different like forward mids lol.
Got the x1 and compared to the he-400 x1 bass slams harder. I don't know if it reaches as low though. the mids sound way more natural to me on these. I was expecting them to lack detail but they don't atleast not to my ears. I do see the he-400 being slightly more detailed but also more sibilant for sure. It's funny how the he-400 has a dark sound to it but is sibilant.
Compared to the l1 the x1 is better in just about every area but I do prefer the sound sig of the l1 which have a fuller sound but looser bass and less detailed/more murky sound.
Overall they sound kinda neutral apart from the bass. I dont know if they are oxymorons but that is how I would describe them. If I had to choose only between these and the he-400 my preference would go to these for sure.
The vocals don't sound super close to the real thing but they don't sound recessed to me. From making music I know that usually the vocals are usually louder in the mix than other instruments because they are the part of the song that is leading the rest of the music. Most mixing boards as well at shows I have performed at have it mixed this way ...the microphone is a little louder. That is what I am hearing with these is that they convey that nuance on some songs. So it could be that the midrange isn't louder but the mix on some songs have the vocals louder and I am hearing that aspect on some songs. But when we are listening to a song after we already have heard the lyrics we like to hear all of the different instruments and single them out in our minds. I don't think this headphone was built for that because it has a more holistic sound.
I think these have good separation and they dont sound congested to me but not super spacious either.
These do however make me wanna get my hands on a headphone that sounds really spacious and neutral to compare them to. I played a song that always sounds congested to me no matter what headphone I have had (not that I have had a lot) and these added enough air to it to eliminate that and I was able to enjoy this song differently this time.
Between songs I did find myself adjusting the voluming a lot.
Compared to my German Maestro 8.35 d :
the instruments don't sound as round or full but smoother. I actually tried to compare them with these headphones to see which one I liked better and I found that when paying attention to how the individual instruments sound I prefer the German slightly. The x1 has better imaging ie the cymbals sound more realistic. But as a whole I dont know... It seems like the bass is what is really the strongest point and the rest of it is smooth, kinda natural, and pretty even. The bass on these are more behaved than the on the German Maestro and its louder but I did find distortion at really high volumes. But the sub bass of the German maestros down low are better but require bass boost to get that rumble. These do not need bass boost but the sub bass doesn't rumble as strong down low.
Comparing these to my German Maestro 8.35 d made me appreciate them the Germans even more which will have a permanent spot in my listening experiences.
My experience is pretty shallow but when I get the hd650 I will compare them just incase someone gets curious of impressions before buying. Getting them shipped here from out of the country takes for ever though so for now I will appreciate the great headphones I have now.
from my memory of the x1 now gone I can say that the x1 does bass way better but isn't nearly as full sounding. One thing I noticed is that the x1 can't handle high volumes as well and is a lot more airy. The x1 is also just as comfortable. The clamp from the hd650 goes away after a while and allows for easier mobility but the x1 feels softer and is more loose on the head. The x1 would actually make a good pairing with the hd650. They can team up on a playlist to tackle different songs. The x1 would do better at sub bass with congested songs and the hd650 would do better for acoustic music and slays the x1 in vocals male or female.
As far as which sounds more natural I cant say. The hd650's sound more full and sweet but are slower and thicker. The x1 sounded just as detailed from what I remember and was quicker but had a more simple natural sound whereas the hd650 has more of a stronger natural sound. The ZMF modded t50rp's sound smooth too. I would say that if someone were looking for non-sibilant headphones they couldn't do better than the x1,650,modded t50's for under 500.
I was going to sell the hd650 to go for the he-500 but I think that these will stay for now. Just wish I had the x1 as a team member. The Germans now gone too because I needed an amp are very missed as well.
Edited by grizzlybeast - 7/10/13 at 9:50pm