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In the camera world, Leica is the name coverted by many. Despite the sky high prices and the many limitations of the system, many photographers still dream of owning one – if they can find the funds for it biggrin.gif Some folks even claim the images made by Leica can never be duplicated by other brands. But any sensible photographer will know this is simply not true.

 

So what am I trying to say here? Despite all the negative things that has been mentioned about the AK120, especially concerning its high price, it will sell very well in the market place. This is because many people will gladly pay for it if they are made to believe that this device is technically superior to its predecessor (which it is). Nevermind if the SQ is marginally better. Our minds will have already convinced us that the AK120 will sound much better than the AK100 or even the DX100. And the higher price of the AK120 itself maybe a selling point. Because most consumers are “groomed” to believe that anything more expensive must naturally be better than the less expensive models.

 

All I can say is that the average human consumer is an unusual animal.

 

Peace to all biggrin.gif

post #632 of 6341

Thanks for the subtle insult, well I for one don't have a problem admitting if a product is not worth it. I don't see a point in lying to our self as simply the sound will speak for itself. Our ears cannot really accept lies and if a product do sound bad it will sound bad and you will soon find yourself craving for a better sound. 

 

I think AK100 left a bad taste in peoples mouth and sadly (and perhaps rightly so) people are highly skeptic of the AK120. The higher price tag of AK120 is certainly not helping. 

 

Well I for one am happy about the purchase, at the end it will come down to one own taste.

post #633 of 6341
Sorry, the Leica analogy is a poor one and quite inapplicable to iRiver's AK collection.
post #634 of 6341
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

Sorry, the Leica analogy is a poor one and quite inapplicable to iRiver's AK collection.

I have Leica equipment, the M9, lenses, the M2, IIIC and screw mount lenses, and the AK is no Leica. :^) In film, the Leica can do with images what many camera can not do and even my M9 is more film like than most but. . . This is audio so on with the music! 

post #635 of 6341
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post

I have Leica equipment, the M9, lenses, the M2, IIIC and screw mount lenses, and the AK is no Leica. :^) In film, the Leica can do with images what many camera can not do and even my M9 is more film like than most but. . . This is audio so on with the music! 
It takes an owner to know one. I own the M9, M7, & used to be have the M6TTL. During my ownership of the Leica I also had the Olympus OM-4Ti, Canon EOS 1Ds, Nikon D3, & now D800E. I dare say my current Nikon nor past Canon/Olympus can produce results of what my M6TTL, M7, & M9 could/can.

Lenses? Yes Summilux-M (& 1xElmarit-M) & equivalent f/1.4 & f/2.8 on other aforementioned brands.

2nd point, yes it's true some rich folks do buy Leica simply cos its expensive. However many other Leica owners have such systems cos they have a history with the brand. One can't generalize all Leica owners buy it simply to own "something expensive".
post #636 of 6341
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post

I have Leica equipment, the M9, lenses, the M2, IIIC and screw mount lenses, and the AK is no Leica. :^) In film, the Leica can do with images what many camera can not do and even my M9 is more film like than most but. . . This is audio so on with the music! 

 

photography is more about skills and sharp eye than about gear. i saw some great photos from chaps using mobile phone and entry level Canon DSLR. i also saw examples of people who spent many thousands on expensive pro gear and coming back to complain about L lenses being not sharp enough. i can post some links to great photos taken with fairly average gear.

 

so i would not put comparison between Leica and music gear, this simply goes off the mark. i can compare gear on its own but i cannot compare gear making great photos because even simple gear can take good photos if you know what you are doing.

post #637 of 6341

Comparing Leica and AK120 is just pure nonsense. Leica is timeless. I own a M6 + Summaron 35mm from 1990 and it is still my daily shooter up to now, imo way better than any digital camera I've tried (this is including the M8 and M8.2). AK120 in the other hand will be irrelevant and old in matter of months, 2 years max. 

post #638 of 6341
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Comparing Leica and AK120 is just pure nonsense. Leica is timeless. I own a M6 + Summaron 35mm from 1990 and it is still my daily shooter up to now, imo way better than any digital camera I've tried (this is including the M8 and M8.2). AK120 in the other hand will be irrelevant and old in matter of months, 2 years max. 

True. In fact, any digital music player will be.

post #639 of 6341

Wow! Quite a few die hard Leica fans in this forum o2smile.gif I guessed I must have stirred up a hornet's nest biggrin.gif Sorry if you feel that I have belittled your precious Leicas. Just for the record, I own Leica, Nikon and Canon glass biggrin.gif

 

Just to make things perfectly clear, it is not my intention to equate Leica with iRiver. They are two totally different companies making totally different products. What I merely wanted put across was that even with an extremely high price, there will be people who will find justifications to buy it. It doesn't matter that the product is not the best. And if you are honest about it, a lot of folks out there will buy something because the "common logic" is that whatever is expensive must be better. That is all I wanted to put forward. So I will say it again : Despite all the negative things that has been mentioned about the AK120, especially concerning its high price, it will sell very well in the market place.

 

Now can we get back to discussing the AK120? wink_face.gif

post #640 of 6341

Leica had been in the camera market for so long as compared to Iriver.

 

And it's german technology which usually are very high quality stuff.

 

But photography and audio are totally different thing as photography depends a lot on the skill of the photographer whereas audio is very subjective ti individual liking, u might not hear what I heard.

 

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post #641 of 6341
I use a Nokia N95 with Carl Zeiss Optic Lens. Can I hang with you guys? rolleyes.gif

post #642 of 6341
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I use a Nokia N95 with Carl Zeiss Optic Lens. Can I hang with you guys? rolleyes.gif

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Carl Zeiss is German, no? That being the case, I don't see any reason why not?  o2smile.gif

post #643 of 6341
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Originally Posted by AlanYWM View Post

In the camera world, Leica is the name coverted by many. Despite the sky high prices and the many limitations of the system, many photographers still dream of owning one – if they can find the funds for it biggrin.gif Some folks even claim the images made by Leica can never be duplicated by other brands. But any sensible photographer will know this is simply not true.

 

So what am I trying to say here? Despite all the negative things that has been mentioned about the AK120, especially concerning its high price, it will sell very well in the market place. This is because many people will gladly pay for it if they are made to believe that this device is technically superior to its predecessor (which it is). Nevermind if the SQ is marginally better. Our minds will have already convinced us that the AK120 will sound much better than the AK100 or even the DX100. And the higher price of the AK120 itself maybe a selling point. Because most consumers are “groomed” to believe that anything more expensive must naturally be better than the less expensive models.

 

All I can say is that the average human consumer is an unusual animal.

 

Peace to all biggrin.gif

Or, it could just be better than any player under $800 and more portable than the other costly ones.

post #644 of 6341

Rule 1 on the pricing , consumers always want the best feature ever made at the cheapest price they can think of , while the business wants the exact opposite , I find out that when iriver price something people call it an excercise in greed, and while other manufacturers actually price something , you can justify them . Just saying its weird thats all

post #645 of 6341

I think the large the DAP is the more we are willing to pay for it :-D Bad joke on my side. I honestly hope the future of high end DAP is towards the dimension that iriver has adopted. I think the challenge should be "How to make the best sound setup with smaller dimension and better battery life" instead of "How to redesign the same DAP with better UI , same battery life and larger design?".

 

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Originally Posted by Retrias View Post

Rule 1 on the pricing , consumers always want the best feature ever made at the cheapest price they can think of , while the business wants the exact opposite , I find out that when iriver price something people call it an excercise in greed, and while other manufacturers actually price something , you can justify them . Just saying its weird thats all

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