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post #616 of 6313
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post


I dont think we will ever have a product that is bug free, there is not such thing as a bug free product when it comes to our hobby. I think it comes down to whether you like the product or not, as far as the services goes on my end I had nor problem at all. 

^ I'm sorry but that is a ludicrous statement...this is NOT missile guidance software we're talking here !!! This all has been done before, this is not cutting edge stuff...iRiver's unwillingness to address a relatively simple feature such as gapless playback is an embarrassment...playlist support is another ignored request...shall I continue...?

For the MRSP asked and the supposedly reputable and established company the poor firmware is really inexcusable...if one is to go by their efforts to fulfill the requests of ak100 owners then ak120 owners are in for long ride....

regardless it is encouraging to hear the sonics are an improvement !
post #617 of 6313
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post

.......while the AK100 owners continue sending their units to Vinnie from RWA.

 

.....and voiding warranties.

 

A&K washes their hands on so many units, thanks to making head-fiers want to fix their mistakes.


Edited by ButtUglyJeff - 5/23/13 at 6:13pm
post #618 of 6313
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Originally Posted by ButtUglyJeff View Post

.....and voiding warranties.

A&K washes their hands on so many units, thanks to forcing mods.

It's sad that one has to void their warranty simply to use a player as intended with their gear. None the less it's not really a subject I wanted to bring up in this thread and genuinely a subject for the AK100 thread. My point was a revision was in order for AK100 and we saw nothing, so how seriously do they take our comments on board. Kind of sours my taste a little.
Edited by H20Fidelity - 5/23/13 at 6:16pm
post #619 of 6313
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post

Without being rude to iRiver, if they truly did take Head-Fi seriously they would of corrected the output impedance issue on their AK100 series. There were so many calls and complaints, emails, pages and pages of conversation regarding the issue and nothing was done. Instead they bring out an AK120 with a much more suitable output impedance while the AK100 owners continue sending their units to Vinnie from RWA.
I think it's quite clear already that iRiver does not consider Head-Fi's opinions relevant to the development of a product. I'm sure HF contribution is taken into consideration but not influential to the design.

It's scary to see that irrespective of HF's initial concern of the 22ohm OI, they were still selling like hot cakes in Japan. E-earphone's initial opinions of the RWAK100 mod was "wow, it's too powerful".

If sales are doing well despite an online community's concerns why would they listen to HF. iRiver's majority customers I'm sure are through retail stores, etc. Quite unlike ALO, RSA, Moon Audio, Toxic Cables, Hifiman, iBasso, etc where publicity through Internet forums like this, Erjiri (spelling?), etc. are key.

AK120s will probably sell like hot cakes too although despite its price at least it's technically more competent than the AK100.

The AK100 however is not without merit. It reminds me of the old Nissan Skyline - highly moddable to make the most out of it. So despite iRiver's failings, through the mod community I'm using my modded AK100 even more so than my DX100.

My 2 yen worth anyway.
post #620 of 6313
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post


If sales are doing well despite an online community's concerns why would they listen to HF. iRiver's majority customers I'm sure are through retail stores, etc. Quite unlike ALO, RSA, Moon Audio, Toxic Cables, Hifiman, iBasso, etc where publicity through Internet forums like this, Erjiri (spelling?), etc. are key.

My 2 yen worth anyway.

I totally agree, and was speaking about this in PM with someone recently. Our concerns compared to the amount of sales being made on AK100 (especially to the blind) were probably not enough to justify a revision. We're just a miniature amount of consumers compared and overall weren't effecting the sales figures enough to make an impact. If anything has come from this I see AK120 has suitably low output impedance and hopefully... if IRiver have listened, everyone of their DAP's released from now on should have low OI too. wink.gif

Totally agree with you AnakChan.
Edited by H20Fidelity - 5/23/13 at 6:43pm
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Maybe I make my purchase decision differently than other headfiers but I did purchase the AK100 fully aware of the 22ohm OI and lack of gapless etc which aren't great discoveries after I purchased it. I buy them As-Is. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I never buy gear based on "future potential". I buy them As-Is. Afterall it's not like I'm trying to gamble and draft the next superstar in an NBA draft!

So I really struggle how one would reasonably expect iriver to "fix" the OI on their AK100 ... maybe I can also start complaining to BMW why they don't "fix" my 320's 4-cylinder with the one they put in 328 that properly drive it with sufficient power!

Well back to this thread, is the AK120 perfect? Not even for me. Is it expensive? Yes. Do I feel the firmware update efforts are reasonable for AK100? Surely (gapless is also coming). Am I happy with my AK120?Extremely. YMMV
Edited by kkcc - 5/23/13 at 6:52pm
post #622 of 6313
I didn't buy the AK100 on future potential. I waited till RWA announced a mod was possible.

The thought of buying the AK120 & sending it to Vinnie had crossed my mind too but again, I'll wait till the mod is a commercial service before deciding.

Edit: I just realized that the above sounded like I had assumed the AK120 was already unsatisfactory out of the box. FYI I have heard the AK120 already last weekend & unfortunately for it, it was a side-by-side comparison to the HM-901.
post #623 of 6313
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post

I totally agree, and was speaking about this in PM with someone recently. Our concerns compared to the amount of sales being made on AK100 (especially to the blind) were probably not enough to justify a revision. We're just a miniature amount of consumers compared and overall weren't effecting the sales figures enough to make an impact. If anything has come from this I see AK120 has suitably low output impedance and hopefully... if IRiver have listened, everyone of their DAP's released from now on should have low OI too.
wink.gif

Totally agree with you AnakChan.

I am glad there are many hfers like you and anakchan who gave constructive feedback and I do think iriver "heard" our voice and made better design decision.
I dithe stinctly recalled a software dude mentioning the 3-clicks rule to the UI which I also appreciate with the new Home menu on the AK120.

What I can't understand is the mentality of the users who feel they were being blatantly cheated (while everything is to the specs) and believe iriver owe them the perfect DAP and continue to hold on to a "flawed" product. Simply get a refund or sell it off if you don't like it.
Edited by kkcc - 5/23/13 at 7:00pm
post #624 of 6313
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Originally Posted by kkcc View Post

I am glad there are many hfers like you and anakchan who gave constructive feedback and I do think iriver "heard" our voice and made better design decision.
I distinctly recalled a software dude mentioning the 3-clicks rule to the UI which I also appreciate with the new Home menu on the AK120.

What I can't understand is the mentality of the users who feel they were being blatantly cheated and believe iriver owe them the perfect DAP and continue to hold on to a "flawed" product. Simply get a refund or sell it off if you don't like it.

I am not an AK100 owner. My view also, I think it was more the case of iRiver correcting the problem for themselves and piece of mind they have released a worthy product, (which would also benefit the consumer). Gives them higher self esteem and reassurance their product was either praised or flawed by a community of serious listeners and displays how serious they are about creating a great product, not just sales.

Anyway, if you were here early in the year we're simply repeating conversation from the AK100 thread and things turned pretty ugly.

I'd much rather let new AK120 owners love their new toys!
Edited by H20Fidelity - 5/23/13 at 7:10pm
post #625 of 6313

I think those are some very fair point however and i might be naive to say this but I believe iriver is reading our feedbacks and will take them into consideration. It is just perhaps it was too late for them to implement our feedbacks on their products.

 

One thing is for sure that they have got the size and battery life right. And I need to point out sonic wise AK120 should not be judged based on the AK100 performance. 

 

I am doing my best not to rush into any premature judgement on AK120 and provide my honest honest view of AK120 but honestly very few products moved me right out of the box and so far AK120 has been one of them.

 

EDIT:My current setup consist of ipod touch ($400)+DD socket 1($495)+MHd-Q7($295), pricewise they  come pretty close to the current AK120. Sonic wise using EX-1000 (which I found sound great using that bulky setup) i can say with confident AK120 is able to produce the same sonic experience. For me it finally means I do not need to carry anything around. 
 


Edited by audionewbi - 5/23/13 at 7:11pm
post #626 of 6313
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

I think those are some very fair point however and i might be naive to say this but I believe iriver is reading our feedbacks and will take them into consideration. It is just perhaps it was too late for them to implement our feedbacks on their products.

One thing is for sure that they have got the size and battery life right. And I need to point out sonic wise AK120 should not be judged by AK100. 

I am doing my best not to rush into any premature judgement on AK120 and provide my honest honest view of AK120 but honestly very few products moved me right out of the box and so far AK120 has been one of them. 

I'll require you to spin me some Carly Rae Jepsen tracks and tell me how they sound!

I've been following your comments closely and very happy for you audionewbi.
post #627 of 6313
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post


I'll require you to spin me some Carly Rae Jepsen tracks and tell me how they sound!

I've been following your comments closely and very happy for you audionewbi.

Spend a lot of money on this hobby, I think I can finally relax and enjoy the music for a while. It might come across as melodramatic of me to say this but I really invested both emotionally and finanically when I borrowed the cash to purchase the AK120. My very first DAP was an iriver. So emotionally I am a little biased on them but as I said before in a post I decided to make AK120 my last attempt on given AK(and iriver) another chance. For me the gamble paid off, I hope that is the case for other people.

 

I would always be more than glad to meet up, we live a train ride away from each other :)


Edited by audionewbi - 5/23/13 at 7:20pm
post #628 of 6313
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

Spend a lot of money on this hobby, I think I can finally relax and enjoy the music for a while. It might come across as melodramatic of me to say this but I really invested both emotionally and finanically when I borrowed the cash to purchase the AK120. My very first DAP was DAP was iriver. So emotionally I am a little biased on them but as I said before I decided to make AK120 my last attempt on given AK(and iriver) another chance. For me it paid off, I hope that is the case for other people.

I would always be more than glad to meet up, we live a train ride away from each other smily_headphones1.gif

Yes I've been thinking about it, I'll see if I can gather some time away to do this. Really wonderful offer.

Think of the purchase like a great investment, that's going to bring out the best of all future IEM purchases for you.
post #629 of 6313
I concur. AK100 has no power to drive the SE5. Lacking dynamic, no weight. That's why my RWAK100 last only for a one and a half week before I sold it to Gintaras. It is probably great with other iem but not with low sensitivity iem like SE5.
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

Thanks for all the answers. I guess my question is not only about volume. You get largely enough volume on the AK100 for any iem. It is more about "weight of the sound and punch, which the AK100 lacks to some extent...
post #630 of 6313
Stayed up pretty late listening to the AK120, very pleased with it and just loaded a load more ALAC files to it. smily_headphones1.gif

Still haven't figured how to access playlists, anyone enlighten me?
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