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post #5476 of 6941
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Originally Posted by henwell View Post
 

Maybe one reason could be a impedance mismatch, the output impedance of the AK120 and Titan is three ohms and the impedance of the shures is 9 ohms usually you like  8 times impedance difference so with a 3 ohm output impedance you would want a headphone with an impedance of over 24. The impedance mismatch can affect frequency response and maybe in this case adversely affecting the base response

That's what I suspected - thank you. I'll either get an amp or, if the AK120 sounds good with my other IEMs, sell the Shures.

post #5477 of 6941
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Originally Posted by henwell View Post
 

Maybe one reason could be a impedance mismatch, the output impedance of the AK120 and Titan is three ohms and the impedance of the shures is 9 ohms usually you like  8 times impedance difference so with a 3 ohm output impedance you would want a headphone with an impedance of over 24. The impedance mismatch can affect frequency response and maybe in this case adversely affecting the base response

It has a lot to do with how much the device you're driving's impedance varies. The TF10 example varies quite a bit with the highs dropping to below 8 ohms and other ranges above 55 ohms, why you see so much variation n your very extreme example. The Shure will only vary by a couple of db with a 3 ohm output impedance even though it has a very low impedance stated impedance. Those with stock players seem to like the combo. The fellow with the -B mod and using an external amp with low output impedance is who didn't care for the pairing. 

Shure:

TF10:

 

That said, I personally I don't understand why anyone would design a modern Headphone with an impedance that drops below 16 ohms. 


Edited by goodvibes - 3/4/14 at 7:33am
post #5478 of 6941
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Originally Posted by Wilderbeast View Post
 

That's what I suspected - thank you. I'll either get an amp or, if the AK120 sounds good with my other IEMs, sell the Shures.

You might be able to find or build an adaptor the has a resistor in it, etymotic uses one to turn their er4p to an er4 s. or do the red wine audio mod that decreases to output impedance to about 1 ohm

post #5479 of 6941
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Originally Posted by henwell View Post
 

You might be able to find or build an adaptor the has a resistor in it, etymotic uses one to turn their er4p to an er4 s. or do the red wine audio mod that decreases to output impedance to about 1 ohm

 

That's a good shout - I hadn't considered a resistance adaptor. Certainly cheaper than a RWA mod.

post #5480 of 6941
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post
 

It has a lot to do with how much the device you're driving's impedance varies. The TF10 example varies quite a bit with the highs dropping to below 8 ohms and other ranges above 55 ohms, why you see so much variation n your very extreme example. The Shure will only vary by a couple of db with a 3 ohm output impedance even though it has a very low impedance stated impedance. Those with stock players seem to like the combo. The fellow with the -B mod and using an external amp with low output impedance is who didn't care for the pairing. 

Shure:

TF10:

 

That said, I personally I don't understand why anyone would design a modern Headphone with an impedance that drops below 16 ohms. 

I agree 100%

post #5481 of 6941
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Originally Posted by Wilderbeast View Post
 

 

That's a good shout - I hadn't considered a resistance adaptor. Certainly cheaper than a RWA mod.

Opposites. The resistor effectively increases the output impedance. ET use it for EQ because it effects response. The rwa mod lowers output impedance though the stock 3 ohms is fine for almost everything. The mod originated with the original AK100 that had a very high 20 ohm output impedance. The AK100mk2 and AK120 both have 3 ohm output impedances to begin with. 

post #5482 of 6941
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post
 

Opposites. The resistor effectively increases the output impedance. ET use it for EQ because it effects response. The rwa mod lowers output impedance though the stock 3 ohms is fine for almost everything. The mod originated with the original AK100 that had a very high 20 ohm output impedance. The AK100mk2 and AK120 both have 3 ohm output impedances to begin with. 

 

Hmph. Back to thinking about the RWA mod then. No doubt the 3 ohms is fine for most IEMs - just not the Shures (to my ears at least).

post #5483 of 6941
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post
 

Opposites. The resistor effectively increases the output impedance. ET use it for EQ because it effects response. The rwa mod lowers output impedance though the stock 3 ohms is fine for almost everything. The mod originated with the original AK100 that had a very high 20 ohm output impedance. The AK100mk2 and AK120 both have 3 ohm output impedances to begin with. 

Im talking about a resister in line with the headphone to increase resistance to modify the response of the headphones. I get how it works.

post #5484 of 6941
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Originally Posted by henwell View Post
 

Im talking about a resister in line with the headphone to increase resistance to modify the response of the headphones. I get how it works.

If you increase the resistance of the headphones you will modify the frequency response it would be worth a try and cheap


Edited by henwell - 3/4/14 at 8:40am
post #5485 of 6941
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post
 

Opposites. The resistor effectively increases the output impedance. ET use it for EQ because it effects response. The rwa mod lowers output impedance though the stock 3 ohms is fine for almost everything. The mod originated with the original AK100 that had a very high 20 ohm output impedance. The AK100mk2 and AK120 both have 3 ohm output impedances to begin with. 

I am talking about putting a resister in line with the headphones which would effectively increase the resistance of the headphones it would not not increase the output resistance of the AK100 or 120 that would remain 20 for the 100 and 3 ohms for the 120 you would have to modify the AK's to change their output resistance.  if you put external resistance outside of the AK it effectively raises the resistance of the phones and does nothing to the output resistance of the AK's


Edited by henwell - 3/4/14 at 8:41am
post #5486 of 6941
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Originally Posted by Wilderbeast View Post
 


Would really appreciate a response to a few of these questions - can anyone help? I'm not happy with the AK120 with Shure SE846 sound.

Too bad I was thinking of getting the SE846's for my AK 120 maybe have to look else were. My et4P's sound very good with my AK120  maybe just stick with them.

post #5487 of 6941

I am thrilled with my 846 and my 120 titan ,i dont know what would account for such divergent opinions

post #5488 of 6941
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Originally Posted by jlbrach View Post
 

I am thrilled with my 846 and my 120 titan ,i dont know what would account for such divergent opinions

 

I know.....it's because of these things:

 

post #5489 of 6941
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Originally Posted by burtomr View Post
 

 

I know.....it's because of these things:

 

 

Jazz hands? ;o)

post #5490 of 6941
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Jazz hands? ;o)

 

No.....it's the thing in the center with 5 holes in it that controls the hands.

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